Rasenshuriken > Tsunade, Sakura and Hashirama

[raziel777]

Same sh*t everyone else said.. if he wanted to counter.. he would posted an counter.



But here is the thing you aren't understanding. SHE CAN HEAL THAT CELLULAR LEVEL DAMAGE... meaning she can fix it.

Sigh.. What is she using to heal the damage ? Chakra. Which she has no access to, since her chakra pathway can't distribute it to the rest of the body (to her cells).

Another analogy.

Let's say Sony has a bunch of PS4s (chakra) in its HQ (Tsunade's forehead). If I need one, Sony would need to use roads (chakra pathway) to get the PS4 delivered to me (cells). But the roads are destroyed ? I'm not getting any PS4 any day soon. So it is for Tsunade and her chakra, for her to heal the damage done to her cells and pathway, she would need her pathway to be intact so that she deliver her chakra to every part of her body that is affected. But that can't happen because of the lack of pathway

 

[KingHashirama]

For the ones complaining.. I could've ended this by simply stating rasenshuriken does cellular level damage, Tsunade can heal cellular level damage with her mitotic regeneration, so get some proof that its deeper than cellular level damage.. and then called yall bunch of names.. But instead i'm providing an explanation on how she could POSSIBLY restart the system.

but thats the thing kurama can heal naruto he did it multiple times but he couldnt this time.

But as i said, Tsunade has to sources of chakra at different points. Naruto's chakra is from the stomach.

Sigh.. What is she using to heal the damage ? Chakra. Which she has no access to, since her chakra pathway can't distribute it to the rest of the body (to her cells).

Another analogy.

Let's say Sony has a bunch of PS4s (chakra) in its HQ (Tsunade's forehead). If I need one, Sony would need to use roads (chakra pathway) to get the PS4 delivered to me (cells). But the roads are destroyed ? I'm not getting any PS4 any day soon. So it is for Tsunade and her chakra, for her to heal the damage done to her cells and pathway, she would need her pathway to be intact so that she deliver her chakra to every part of her body that is affected. But that can't happen because of the lack of pathway

Don't use dumb analogies man.

On top of that, I said she could first set up her system again or fix it with it..

 

[raziel777]

you mean that she can heal the chakra network starting from the closest to the seal to the far ones right?

Not an option. ALL OF IT is destroyed

 

[Kαmi]

I never said he could heal Naruto.. So yea.

As I said, it only an implication made by the manga that she can restore her system somehow.


But I am understanding that.. hence why i'm stating that she can probably fix that system. I stated through her yin release could be able to recreate that. Since it is a base of chakra..

You say probably, I say most likely not. Mainly because she shouldn't be able to access her Yin Seal, a storage of her chakra, whenever her pathways are severed. The chakra is just going to stay in her head because the pathways for the chakra to travel and allow her to use her seal and then regenerate the pathways are severed. She just simply can't use chakra after the technique hits, meaning she cannot recreate the pathways unless she can do so without chakra. I'm sure you know how the jutsu works. It just doesn't make sense for her to release her Yin Seal throughout her body with no pathways for Yin Seal to send chakra flowing through her.

 

[an995]

Not an option. ALL OF IT is destroyed

If all of it was destroyed then wouldn't the seal be destroyed as well

 

[KingHashirama]

You say probably, I say most likely not. Mainly because she shouldn't be able to access her Yin Seal, a storage of her chakra, whenever her pathways are severed. The chakra is just going to stay in her head because the pathways for the chakra to travel and allow her to use her seal and then regenerate the pathways are severed. She just simply can't use chakra after the technique hits, meaning she cannot recreate the pathways unless she can do so without chakra. I'm sure you know how the jutsu works. It just doesn't make sense for her to release her Yin Seal throughout her body with no pathways for Yin Seal to send chakra flowing through her.

But sir again you aren't understanding all the damage done by Rasenshuriken is simply cellular level damage.. only person who can heal on that level is someone with the Yin seal with their mitotic regeneration. There is probably a good reason why they need the yin seal for it, and not just their normal chakra.

Again, i don't know why you guys think i need to prove something when i don't. The burden of proof relies on you guys, to show us where Rasenshuriken does deeper damage than cellular level.

 

[Xlad]

You say probably, I say most likely not. Mainly because she shouldn't be able to access her Yin Seal, a storage of her chakra, whenever her pathways are severed. The chakra is just going to stay in her head because the pathways for the chakra to travel and allow her to use her seal and then regenerate the pathways are severed. She just simply can't use chakra after the technique hits, meaning she cannot recreate the pathways unless she can do so without chakra. I'm sure you know how the jutsu works. It just doesn't make sense for her to release her Yin Seal throughout her body with no pathways for Yin Seal to send chakra flowing through her.

Sorry man. But he is also the same moron that said the anime fillers are canon just because they make freaking sense.

 

[raziel777]

If all of it was destroyed then wouldn't the seal be destroyed as well

The seal isn't her pathway. And what you say may be true too but I won't be saying things that I can't back up with any evidence.

For the ones complaining.. I could've ended this by simply stating rasenshuriken does cellular level damage, Tsunade can heal cellular level damage with her mitotic regeneration, so get some proof that its deeper than cellular level damage.. and then called yall bunch of names.. But instead i'm providing an explanation on how she could POSSIBLY restart the system.



But as i said, Tsunade has to sources of chakra at different points. Naruto's chakra is from the stomach.


Don't use dumb analogies man.

On top of that, I said she could first set up her system again or fix it with it..

What does she need to set it up or fix it ? CHAKRA. But she can't use chakra anymore. I even got you the scan where she said that the technique voids your ability to use chakra. For her to heal her pathway, she'd have to retain the ability to use chakra but she doesn't have it anymore.

My analogy was good, sir.

 

[raziel777]

But sir again you aren't understanding all the damage done by Rasenshuriken is simply cellular level damage.. only person who can heal on that level is someone with the Yin seal with their mitotic regeneration. There is probably a good reason why they need the yin seal for it, and not just their normal chakra.

Again, i don't know why you guys think i need to prove something when i don't. The burden of proof relies on you guys, to show us where Rasenshuriken does deeper damage than cellular level.

Dude, you are the one mentioning cellular and molecular level. We've been saying only one thing. She can't use chakra to heal/regen because her pathway is destroyed. It's simple.

 

[Kαmi]

But sir again you aren't understanding all the damage done by Rasenshuriken is simply cellular level damage.. only person who can heal on that level is someone with the Yin seal with their mitotic regeneration. There is probably a good reason why they need the yin seal for it, and not just their normal chakra.

Again, i don't know why you guys think i need to prove something when i don't. The burden of proof relies on you guys, to show us where Rasenshuriken does deeper damage than cellular level.

I didn't mention cellular damage once in my post, cause I'm not talking about that. There is no burden on proof to me, someone already provided a scan saying that it severs chakra pathways, which as I said before, means a person cannot utilize their chakra correctly. It's not taking out the source, it's taking away the pathways for the source to distribute the chakra. Mitotic regeneration cannot be used without the Yin seal. The yin seal can't be used without pathways of chakra for the chakra to flow through the body in order for her to regenerate on that molecular level. She cannot fix her system without these chakra pathways without being able to use her chakra.

Oh and that guy's analogy wasn't stupid, it was actually spot on.

Sorry man. But he is also the same moron that said the anime fillers are canon just because they make freaking sense.

You're right, I'm forgetting how stubborn KH is and that his logic is above everyone else's.

 

[KingHashirama]

Main point:

- Rasenshuriken , with all its "Chakra network destroying" is cellular level damage.. fact
- Tsunade regenerates at cellular level, meaning she can fix anything at an cellular level.
- I'm not kishimoto so i can't tell you how she does it, but it only implies she can fix her chakra network. But according to kishimoto she can heal damage at cellular level.. So why call me a moron or an idiot.. when i'm going by what the manga is saying.

I'm outtttt. Man of steel time now.

The seal isn't her pathway. And what you say may be true too but I won't be saying things that I can't back up with any evidence.



What does she need to set it up or fix it ? CHAKRA. But she can't use chakra anymore. I even got you the scan where she said that the technique voids your ability to use chakra. For her to heal her pathway, she'd have to retain the ability to use chakra but she doesn't have it anymore.

My analogy was good, sir.

By your implication the damage is deeper than cellular level.. according to Tsunade is i only cellular level. She stated heal... in reference to others.. why do you keep overlooking this?

She is said to heal any cellular level damage.. it is only common sense that she can heal from Rasenshuriken , which is cellular level. I'm not kishimoto.... i can't give you how she can do it.. I only gave you the possibilities to how she can do it.

I didn't mention cellular damage once in my post, cause I'm not talking about that. There is no burden on proof to me, someone already provided a scan saying that it severs chakra pathways, which as I said before, means a person cannot utilize their chakra correctly. It's not taking out the source, it's taking away the pathways for the source to distribute the chakra. Mitotic regeneration cannot be used without the Yin seal. The yin seal can't be used without pathways of chakra for the chakra to flow through the body in order for her to regenerate on that molecular level. She cannot fix her system without these chakra pathways without being able to use her chakra.

You're right, I'm forgetting how stubborn KH is and that his logic is above everyone else's.

No point calling me stubborn when I call my self out when i'm wrong plenty of times.

Yes and in the same scan she herself states it is only cellular level damage.. not deeper. She regenerates at a cellular level.. so.. yea.

Again Im giving you possibilities.. because as far as the manga goes.. Tsunade regenerates from cellular level damage anyday.. Rasenshuriken is only at cellular level damage.
At the end of the day, i'm only going with the manga..

Yea if roads are the only way of transportation..

 

[The Sach]

The biggest mistake you made there is you are going with the assumption that Rasenshuriken can destroy all the cells or most of the cells you have in the body, read the scan properly..:yeah:

 

[raziel777]

KH, no one is denying that she regenerates at a cellular level. But what does she use to regenerate ? Chakra, that goes through her pathway. If she doesn't have it, she can't use chakra to start her Mitotic Regen.

 

[raziel777]

The biggest mistake you made there is you are going with the assumption that Rasenshuriken can destroy all the cells or most of the cells you have in the body, read the scan properly..:yeah:

The cells destroying part alone doesn't apply to the guys I listed since they can regenerate their cells. It's the chakra pathway + cell destroying ability that kill them. Because the chakra pathway destroying ability negate their cell regen, coupled with the cell destroying ability of FRS, it kills them.

 

[Kαmi]

No point calling me stubborn when I call my self out when i'm wrong plenty of times.

Yes and in the same scan she herself states it is only cellular level damage.. not deeper. She regenerates at a cellular level.. so.. yea.

Again Im giving you possibilities.. because as far as the manga goes.. Tsunade regenerates from cellular level damage anyday.. Rasenshuriken is only at cellular level damage.
At the end of the day, i'm only going with the manga..

I promise you that you don't do that enough around here.

I'm not implying that it is deeper, simply that she can't use her chakra after RS hits. If she could her chakra, then yeah, she would be able to heal since it only damages on a cellular level, which is within Tusnade's limits. But can Tsunade heal on a cellular level without being able to use her chakra? No, that's ridiculous to say something like that.

RS attacks the cells and the pathways in the body. Tsunade loses her ability to use chakra the moment RS hits. I'm going with the manga too but it seems you're not taking in the other side of the story of what the manga says. You're only taking in account that she heals on a cellular level, we all get that by now. But you are not understanding that she cannot heal on a cellular level without the ability to use chakra, and RS takes away the ability to use chakra since it destroys chakra pathways. If RS just attacked on a cellular level without severing the chakra pathways, then Tsunade would be able to heal but it doesn't work like that. That is why the OP says RasenShuriken > Tsunade and Sakura because it takes away their ability to utilize their chakra, therefore, taking away their ability to use their Mitotic regeneration. Every jutsu has a weakness, it appears that RS is that weakness for Mitotic regeneration since it severs the chakra pathways. If you don't understand that by now, I don't know what to tell you man.

 

[Multiply]

KH, no one is denying that she regenerates at a cellular level. But what does she use to regenerate ? Chakra, that goes through her pathway. If she doesn't have it, she can't use chakra to start her Mitotic Regen.

I don't understand how that's not going through his head...

 

[Jcub]

Okay, I admit I skipped about 4 pages of commentary.

Remember when Kabuto was hit with rasengan, he was shock to find out he couldn't Regenerate the damage. His tissue or what have you was to badly damage.

It was kabuto but he is THE medical ninja genius. And this was 12 year old naruto without the wind/shuirken upgrade.

I'm not sure Regen would help. Or wood style to block, last issue Naruto mixed his rasengan shuirken with a B.bomb(not just some lame duck Bijuu Bomb, Kurama powered B.bomb.). (I could be wrong but thats what it looked like)

 

[takiyacrowz]

lawl the one that hit kakuzu was an imperfect one

his improved one in SM leaves nothing but dust behind

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ask human path

after getting hit no one's gonna survive.

 

[Kαmi]

lawl the one that hit kakuzu was an imperfect one

his improved one in SM leaves nothing but dust behind

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ask human path

after getting hit no one's gonna survive.

Lol All that wasted arguing, I forgot about this scan. Naruto's current FRS isn't even gonna give a person a chance to heal, it's gonna be an automatic kill if it hits.

 

[Jcub]

Don't use dumb analogies man.

On top of that, I said she could first set up her system again or fix it with it..

Actually its a good analogy.

With how big his attack is... IF he hits anything vital as it rips her in two, its game over, won't matter what she can heal, it won't be fast enough.