Rasengan or Chidori ?

[Guntah]

I'll accept this as a concession of defeat.

Actually, yeah. I just checked and Naruto and Sasuke's initial one on one fight was filler, so...my point of them standing as hand to hand equals isn't valid.

 

[BLAZE]

No, that's not what I mean. You can see the clear change in Sasuke's Chidori from Part 1 and Part 2. No hand seals, no head start, far more ways to use it, far more power.

and since naruto's CC got better to an extent that he mastered TSM his rasengan didn't get powerfull :lol

 

[Guntah]

and since naruto's CC got better to an extent that he mastered TSM his rasengan didn't get powerfull :lol

Not the Rasengan itself. Not visibly anyway. He did take a major step forward by creating the Oddama Rasengan, but compared to what Sasuke did with his Chidori, Naruto's timeskip progress with Rasengan was minimal.

 

[BLAZE]

Not the Rasengan itself. Not visibly anyway. He did take a major step forward by creating the Oddama Rasengan, but compared to what Sasuke did with his Chidori, Naruto's timeskip progress with Rasengan was minimal.

neither in case of chidori

comparing a naruto that has perfected FRS to one with Odama Rasengan :lol

 

[Guntah]

neither in case of chidori

comparing a naruto that has perfected FRS to one with Odama Rasengan :lol

Does him creating a perfected version of the Rasengan make the Rasengan itself any stronger?

 

[BLAZE]

Does him creating a perfected version of the Rasengan make the Rasengan itself any stronger?

does making chidori without hand seals make chidori any stronger :lol

 

[Guntah]

does making chidori without hand seals make chidori any stronger :lol

No, but it does show improvement.

 

[BLAZE]

No, but it does show improvement.

i can throw same logic :lol Rasengan was said to be pinnacle of CC
mastering FRS itself shows improvement in CC thus improvement in rasengan

 

[Guntah]

i can throw same logic :lol Rasengan was said to be pinnacle of CC
mastering FRS itself shows improvement in CC thus improvement in rasengan

Well, yeah, but the big difference in between these two cases is the same as the difference between evolution and improvement. FRS is something else entirely made with Rasengan as a basis while Sasuke's P2 Chidori is the same as it was on P1, only made better.

 

[Im Still Robin]

Well the rasengan isn't a simple jutsu create because it complex shape manipulation that makes it, the rasengan at base is stronger than a chidori at base.

Because Base chidori was shown being beaten by base rasengan. Yeah, right.

Wind does > lightning however Sasuke chidori is so strong that it can cancel a superior element such as rasengan.

Naruto and Sasuke clashed so many times and it's been a tie, no way in hell Sasuke's chidori is inferior based off some long ago ass words from Kakashi in part one lmao. Sasuke's chidori would own Kakashi's lightning blade.

 

[BLAZE]

Well, yeah, but the big difference in between these two cases is the same as the difference between evolution and improvement. FRS is something else entirely made with Rasengan as a basis while Sasuke's P2 Chidori is the same as it was on P1, only made better.

The only thing you can argue it that chidori got stronger but that applies on Rasengan too.Also the logic you are using is moot since naruto always has ninetails inside him

the clashing power shown VOTE 1 and Samurai bridge confirms what the author wanted to show that signature jutsu of both r equal.There is no improved chidori unless u want talk about dark one

 

[Guntah]

The only thing you can argue it that chidori got stronger but that applies on Rasengan too.Also the logic you are using is moot since naruto always has ninetails inside him

the clashing power shown VOTE 1 and Samurai bridge confirms what the author wanted to show that signature jutsu of both r equal.There is no improved chidori unless u want talk about dark one

What about the near clash atop the hospital though?

 

[BLAZE]

What about the near clash atop the hospital though?

nvr happened

kakashi assumed and he has been wrong like Rinnegan being Mutation

 

[Guntah]

nvr happened

kakashi assumed and he has been wrong like Rinnegan being Mutation

I'm refering to the effects we got on what the two jutsu were capable of.

 

[BLAZE]

I'm refering to the effects we got on what the two jutsu were capable of.

The moment you realise Chidori will nvr ever make damage similiar[bar rikudo buffed] to that part 1 rasengan since its stabbing/Penetrating jutsu unlike rasengan

its not that hard to see

 

[Guntah]

The moment you realise Chidori will nvr ever make damage similiar[bar rikudo buffed] to that part 1 rasengan since its stabbing/Penetrating jutsu unlike rasengan

its not that hard to see

Well, fair enough, I guess.

 

[Demonic.]

The moment you realise Chidori will nvr ever make damage similiar[bar rikudo buffed] to that part 1 rasengan since its stabbing/Penetrating jutsu unlike rasengan

its not that hard to see

Always a pleasure to see you step out of the VS section to solo NDS fodders. kun:

 

[BenjerminGaye]

The moment you realise Chidori will nvr ever make damage similiar[bar rikudo buffed] to that part 1 rasengan since its stabbing/Penetrating jutsu unlike rasengan

its not that hard to see

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[Styles]

Well, Rasengan would have won if it and Chidori had clashed during the hospital rooftop battle, or so it is strongly hinted though everything before that hinted that Naruto and Sasuke were equals. Sasuke needs a a major powerup that puts him well above Naruto before clashing for a second time for the sake of a tie.

No it wouldn't have. They both would have died that's mangaphux even Kakashi said so. Sasuke also didn't need a major power up either for a tie. Naruto and Sasuke always been equals one way or another. It's just Sasuke always pulls ahead until Naruto get another powerup.

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rasengan is superior to chidori, im sure kakashi went on record saying it.

The technique is all around better(no tunnel vision, no seals, costs less chakra) and unlike chidori rasengan variants are for the most part stronger than the original tech.

a more accurate thing to say is sasuke's chidori= naruto's rasengan especially since he didn't actually master it until late into the war

Kakashi didn't say nothing of the sort. He said he couldn't add lightning to Rasengan so he made Chidori. That doesn't mean it was weaker.

Rasengan variants also is supposed to be stronger he's using more chakra for it. Chidori is all just precision.

 

[BLAZE]

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