Raikage vs MS sasuke

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You seemed to be confused on what a Shunshin is lool. Nothing suggest what he did against Madara was a shunshin all he did was go v2 and attack lool. Ei wasn't even in v2 when went up against Minato. Cee clearly says he ramps himself up even more obviously his basic shunshin wouldn't suffice against Amaterasu. Also why would he wait for Sasuke to use Amaterasu in the first place if he could just blitz lmao?

Edit nothing suggest that was a shunshin against Minato either. All he did was go lighting armor and attack. He even stated he didn't even use his full speed so how could that be his Shunshin? It wasn't now sit your dumbass down.
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Lmao you really are a special kind of retard.

-Ay said Minato dodged his top speed.


That's V2. Ay said the same thing when him and Naruto fought, that only Minato can evade his full speed. I like how your dumbass brings the scan after Ay charged at Minato the first time. ****ing clown. :lol

-Madara says Ay used "Lightning Style Teleportation".

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There is no such thing as a basic Shunshin. Shunshin is Shunshin. The only thing that differs is speed, and Ay went from V1 to V2 because the latter provides enough power to dodge Amaterasu. C already stated that Sasuke was GOING TO COUNTER MS W/ SHUNSHIN SO WHY WOULD HE ATTACK RIGHT AWAY?

End of story little man. You sound stupid.
 

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At best you would only be able to argue he can use something as fast as Enton and that he can mentally react. Not that he has the capability to land Amaterasu or physically react. :lol

Im confused if Ei rushes Sasuke like he claim he gets roasted if Sasuke can whip enton on Susanoo before Ei shunshin attacks happens that proves that Amaterasu/enton speed > Ei striking speed so Ei trying to charge and kill someone he gets roasted alive end result stalemate at the most.

1. Ay is about to hit him.
2. Enton appears.
3. Ay stops.
4. THEN SASUKE LOOKS AT HIM.

Same happens in the thread Ey charges he gets his Ass lit up or before he strikes Sasuke attacks with enton/amaterasu in canon it's faster than his striking speed.

Stop trying to act like this distance did not play a role in him getting past Sasuke he was literally 5 feet away from him come on now.

It's activation time is instant. :lol Raikage's reflexes surpass Sasuke's. Sasuke isn't doing or landing anything before Ay Shunshins.

Sasuke already stopped raikage Shunshin + Attack in its tracks from 5 feet away give him a greater distance raikage is not doing anything/

You guys are something else. The Manga stated he can't follow his movements. Sasuke was looking to the RIGHT. Ay was on the LEFT. Why in the world would Sasuke be looking elsewhere if he could follow Ay's movements? :lol

Sasuke was looking that way because he just casted Amaterasu and was reeling from the effects. Him putting on Enton shows he has some insight on Ei's movement.

Minato managed to flick a Kunai above Ay's head and use Hiraishin all before Ay could touch him. That's not "barely" reacting.

Yes it is moving your arm is a hell of alot easier than moving your body and Minato was about 30m away from Ei while Sasuke was 5 feet your shorten the distance even an inch and Minato is blitz plain in simple.
 

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Im confused if Ei rushes Sasuke like he claim he gets roasted if Sasuke can whip enton on Susanoo before Ei shunshin attacks happens that proves that Amaterasu/enton speed > Ei striking speed so Ei trying to charge and kill someone he gets roasted alive end result stalemate at the most.

Amaterasu and Enton are not the same thing nor are they the same speed. Irrelevant point.



Same happens in the thread Ey charges he gets his Ass lit up or before he strikes Sasuke attacks with enton/amaterasu in canon it's faster than his striking speed.

Stop trying to act like this distance did not play a role in him getting past Sasuke he was literally 5 feet away from him come on now.

Sasuke couldn't even see him move. Extending the distance to 10m won't change that fact. I'll agree he'll be able to react w/ Susanoo or Enton but Amaterasu isn't the same as you actually need to build up chakra for it, and if you can't see what you are aiming at you are dead.

And then there is the fact that he can circle around Sasuke and hit him from the side or the back meaning Amaterasu is a complete non factor.


Sasuke already stopped raikage Shunshin + Attack in its tracks from 5 feet away give him a greater distance raikage is not doing anything/

He didn't stop anything. He failed to perceive Raikage and almost got his ass killed. Give him the distance shown in this thread and Raikage still kills him with zero effort.


Sasuke was looking that way because he just casted Amaterasu and was reeling from the effects. Him putting on Enton shows he has some insight on Ei's movement.

Stop making stupid excuses. Sasuke was looking that way because he couldn't perceive Ay's movement. Enton doesn't require him to know where Ay was because it's a shield that covers his entire Susanoo, so Ay can strike from anywhere and still end up getting his arm lit up.

Yes it is moving your arm is a hell of alot easier than moving your body and Minato was about 30m away from Ei while Sasuke was 5 feet your shorten the distance even an inch and Minato is blitz plain in simple.

Moving your body being harder doesn't make moving your arm a reaction where he barely managed. Not to mention Minato was nowhere near 30m away from him. Learn how to determine distance please.

And the bold of course, like everything you say, is based on nothing. So come correct or don't come at all.
 

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For those arguing about MS Sasuke tracking Ay:

Read this thread analyzing it, Post no #36
 
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Healthy mature MS Sasuke wins

edit: who would win, EMS Sasuke w/o Susanoo vs V2 Ay?
 
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Healthy mature MS Sasuke wins

edit: who would win, EMS Sasuke w/o Susanoo vs V2 Ay?

Sasuke would torch him, as by that point he really would be able to track Ay.
 

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Healthy mature MS Sasuke wins

edit: who would win, EMS Sasuke w/o Susanoo vs V2 Ay?

IDK honestly being able to track Ay doesnt mean he can react fast enough Id say 50/50 either way unless sasuke just protects with flames the entire time
 

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Amaterasu and Enton are not the same thing nor are they the same speed. Irrelevant point.

Never said they we're so you don't have a point here now shut that ass up. Amaterasu is faster than enton and can be used as a defense as well as Offense Kabuto noted this as fact.

Same happens in the thread Ey charges he gets his Ass lit up or before he strikes Sasuke attacks with enton/amaterasu in canon it's faster than his striking speed.

If Ei charges Sasuke Amaterasu roast his ass simple or Sasuke sets Amaterasu up as a barrier like he did against Kabuto and don't say it's to slow cause he already set enton up before Ei could Shunshin + attack once that's up Ei has no where to go but above the flame in thats suicide because if he leaves his feet he gets roasted.

Sasuke couldn't even see him move. Extending the distance to 10m won't change that fact. I'll agree he'll be able to react w/ Susanoo or Enton but Amaterasu isn't the same as you actually need to build up chakra for it, and if you can't see what you are aiming at you are dead.

Sasuke clearly Saw him move as he put up enton on his susanoo. You know blitz mean to attack someone with no reaction right that's a reaction so stop trying to deny it *****. The build up for Amaterasu in combat is nonexistent and no one said this is the MS Sasuke that fought Raikage. Doesn't need to see Ei and he can Raikage strikes from distance are linear look at his fight against Minato, Naruto, He runs straight at his opponent Amaterasu speed plus Ei running at it = Dead Raikage.

And then there is the fact that he can circle around Sasuke and hit him from the side or the back meaning Amaterasu is a complete non factor.

Then there the fact Sasuke can set Amaterasu in a 180 like he did against Kabuto Killing Ei speed advantage.

He didn't stop anything. He failed to perceive Raikage and almost got his ass killed. Give him the distance shown in this thread and Raikage still kills him with zero effort.

Failed to perceive raikage yet whipped on enton Before Raikage could make a move tired of killing these same ass arguments. there is no set distance in this thread. Raikage gets burnt.

Stop making stupid excuses. Sasuke was looking that way because he couldn't perceive Ay's movement. Enton doesn't require him to know where Ay was because it's a shield that covers his entire Susanoo, so Ay can strike from anywhere and still end up getting his arm lit up.

Not an excuse it's fact staggering him for the moment Ei shunshin behind him he looking in that same direction That is not Sasuke failing to track him when he was not looking for him to began with. if that was the case they're would have been swish marks to show head movement meaning he was not looking for the Raikage. The latter of your post did not make since because Sasuke used enton only after Ei dodged Amaterasu as a counter attack to Ei attacking him meaning he was well aware of Raikage's movements.

Moving your body being harder doesn't make moving your arm a reaction where he barely managed. Not to mention Minato was nowhere near 30m away from him. Learn how to determine distance please.

He was further than Sasuke, Minato did barely react as you can see his eyes open wide even after ftg he was looking a little shook up. While him casually reacting when Ei charges him without a Shunshin that's a normal reaction.


And the bold of course, like everything you say, is based on nothing. So come correct or don't come at all.

Based on the fact That Ei's Fist is less than an inch from Minato Face you put Ei at the distance Minato was and he's blitz.

For those arguing about MS Sasuke tracking Ay:

Read this thread analyzing it, Post no #36

FT shitted on you're post though.




Also This was premature MS Sasuke

full powered MS Sasuke has better pre-cog than that as Sharingan will adjust to speed eventually (If it's not to fast)

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Sasuke was not able to read Orochimaru's movements before.
 

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Never said they we're so you don't have a point here now shut that ass up. Amaterasu is faster than enton and can be used as a defense as well as Offense Kabuto noted this as fact.

Amaterasu and Enton both spawn instantly. Amatersau has build up. Enton doesn't. That's a fact.


If Ei charges Sasuke Amaterasu roast his ass simple or Sasuke sets Amaterasu up as a barrier like he did against Kabuto and don't say it's to slow cause he already set enton up before Ei could Shunshin + attack once that's up Ei has no where to go but above the flame in thats suicide because if he leaves his feet he gets roasted.

Based on what does Sasuke hit Ay w/ a technique he dodged in canon? Based on what does Sasuke react fast enough to form a wall of Amaterasu around him before Ay whacks that ass? :lol. He set up Enton before Ay could Shunshin and attack. Enton is not Amaterasu. Enton spawns instantly. Amaterasu spawns instantly after build up.

-Ay Shunshins straight at Sasuke's face.
-Clobbers him.

OR

-Ay shunshins at Sasuke.
-Karate Chops him in the neck, but this time Susanoo doesn't have him.

Sasuke clearly Saw him move as he put up enton on his susanoo. You know blitz mean to attack someone with no reaction right that's a reaction so stop trying to deny it *****. The build up for Amaterasu in combat is nonexistent and no one said this is the MS Sasuke that fought Raikage. Doesn't need to see Ei and he can Raikage strikes from distance are linear look at his fight against Minato, Naruto, He runs straight at his opponent Amaterasu speed plus Ei running at it = Dead Raikage.

-Raikage runs at Sasuke.
-Is about to hit him.
-Enton appears.
-Raikage notices (hence the "!!")
-Raikage stops.
-THEN Sasuke looks back at him.

Where did Sasuke perceive a Raikage in motion? Never. Ever. Not in this Manga. The build up for Amaterasu being non existent is based on nothing. Enton has blatantly been shown to be faster overall unless it's being fired as a projectile. Both spawn, but one has no build up.

Then there the fact Sasuke can set Amaterasu in a 180 like he did against Kabuto Killing Ei speed advantage.

Not before Ay kills him.


Failed to perceive raikage yet whipped on enton Before Raikage could make a move tired of killing these same ass arguments. there is no set distance in this thread. Raikage gets burnt.

He failed to perceive him. That's a fact. All he could do was use Enton. No physical reaction whatsoever so tell me how he's gonna turn his head, catch Ay and then light him up or whatever nonsense you are claiming he can do. The location is the Chunnin Exams arena. There isn't that much distance between both ends of the stadium so the point stands. Ay one shots.


Not an excuse it's fact staggering him for the moment Ei shunshin behind him he looking in that same direction That is not Sasuke failing to track him when he was not looking for him to began with. if that was the case they're would have been swish marks to show head movement meaning he was not looking for the Raikage. The latter of your post did not make since because Sasuke used enton only after Ei dodged Amaterasu as a counter attack to Ei attacking him meaning he was well aware of Raikage's movements.


Sasuke's eye being bloody doesn't mean that it's why he failed to perceive Ay. Provide evidence for that claim or just don't post. Sasuke was looking to the left. Ay came from the right. That's not him tracking Ay's speed and no amount of garbage excuses is gonna change that.

He was further than Sasuke, Minato did barely react as you can see his eyes open wide even after ftg he was looking a little shook up. While him casually reacting when Ei charges him without a Shunshin that's a normal reaction.


Yet he physically reacted to Ay's speed regardless. He flicked a Kunai above his head and warped away all before Ay could hit him. That's not barely. Barely is if he barely managed to teleport away in time.


Based on the fact That Ei's Fist is less than an inch from Minato Face you put Ei at the distance Minato was and he's blitz.

Minato physically and mentally reacted w/ Hiraishin no less. So yeah. Again, based on nothing.
 

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Amaterasu and Enton both spawn instantly. Amatersau has build up. Enton doesn't. That's a fact.

What's your point though in Canon Sasuke did both before Raikage got to strike from 5 feet away a reasonable distance and Raikage starting with no Ration Armor on means he gets got.

Based on what does Sasuke hit Ay w/ a technique he dodged in canon? Based on what does Sasuke react fast enough to form a wall of Amaterasu around him before Ay whacks that ass? :lol. He set up Enton before Ay could Shunshin and attack. Enton is not Amaterasu. Enton spawns instantly. Amaterasu spawns instantly after build up.

Except Sasuke already did both in canon. Raikage charging Sasuke at top speed is not moving out the way fast enough to dodge amaterasu because his movement would carry him into it thats why he gets hit be tech he dodged in canon. Based of the fact That Raikage has to go V2 then rush him Sasuke Did his Amaterasu wall in a single manga page meaning it happens near instant and definitely fast enough to stop Ei.


-Ay Shunshins straight at Sasuke's face.
-Clobbers him.
Sasuke counter him like he did in canon by setting enton up he has used enton multiple times without casting amaterasu first
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and even if you try to say it's not possible casting amaterasu and using enton as a defense happened in canon so you have no point.

Ay shunshins at Sasuke.
-Karate Chops him in the neck, but this time Susanoo doesn't have him.

Countered.


-Raikage runs at Sasuke.
-Is about to hit him.
-Enton appears.
-Raikage notices (hence the "!!")
-Raikage stops.
-THEN Sasuke looks back at him.

Thus revealing what i said from the beginning Sasuke saw him you have not debunk a single thing i said yet. Raikage did not stop he was slowing down for the moment of impact if you run behind someone to punch them in order to get a clean punch you'll need to stop his momentum was caring him forward he did not even put the back of his foot down

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showing he did not pause or stop he had the !! came before enton was even up raikage knew he was going to strike Sasuke no matter what so why would he stop? He's obviously knew about Amaterasu/enton considering how he dodged it.

Where did Sasuke perceive a Raikage in motion? Never. Ever. Not in this Manga. The build up for Amaterasu being non existent is based on nothing. Enton has blatantly been shown to be faster overall unless it's being fired as a projectile. Both spawn, but one has no build up.

He clearly saw him dodge amaterasu and jump behind him the reason why he put up enton if he could be blitz or not follow him completely he would not have reacted with enton simple. Both happened in canon it happens again not even about to go over that i already shitted on it read above imp.

Not before Ay kills him.

Ei is never getting the chance turning to v2 is slower than casting Amaterasu.

He failed to perceive him. That's a fact. All he could do was use Enton. No physical reaction whatsoever so tell me how he's gonna turn his head, catch Ay and then light him up or whatever nonsense you are claiming he can do. The location is the Chunnin Exams arena. There isn't that much distance between both ends of the stadium so the point stands. Ay one shots.


Sasuke was never looking for Ei to began with once again you cannot counter an argument so your try to trash talk your way out nope i notice shit. I said use Enton as a wall barrier no one said lighting Ei up with enton now shut your ass up. Sasuke already reacted from 5 feet now you think he's going to get blitz from an arena worth of distance? i should be done replying to your ignorant ass.

Sasuke's eye being bloody doesn't mean that it's why he failed to perceive Ay. Provide evidence for that claim or just don't post. Sasuke was looking to the left. Ay came from the right. That's not him tracking Ay's speed and no amount of garbage excuses is gonna change that.

I provided my evidence Sasuke was already looking to the left prior to that scan

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the scan later he had no swish marks showing he was not looking around but rather in the same motion as he was before so no he never failed to track him. Stop crying about evidence when it's slapping right in the face damn you a lil *****.

Yet he physically reacted to Ay's speed regardless. He flicked a Kunai above his head and warped away all before Ay could hit him. That's not barely. Barely is if he barely managed to teleport away in time.

No one said he never reacted i said he barely reacted. Yes that is barely since everything but his arm was stuck in motion you can even see the distress in Minato's face showing how close of a call it was but be belligerent about it denying facts.

Minato physically and mentally reacted w/ Hiraishin no less. So yeah. Again, based on nothing.

Based off common sense if a speedster dodge a bullet from 20m away but it's a inch away from they're face when they dodge and they look surprise move to distance to 5 feet the speedster dies. You don't even have an argument for what im saying just rinse and repeating the same bullshit.
 

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What's your point though in Canon Sasuke did both before Raikage got to strike from 5 feet away a reasonable distance and Raikage starting with no Ration Armor on means he gets got.

No, he didn't. :lol He used Enton. Not Amaterasu. Amaterasu was used, then Raikage dodged it.


Except Sasuke already did both in canon. Raikage charging Sasuke at top speed is not moving out the way fast enough to dodge amaterasu because his movement would carry him into it thats why he gets hit be tech he dodged in canon. Based of the fact That Raikage has to go V2 then rush him Sasuke Did his Amaterasu wall in a single manga page meaning it happens near instant and definitely fast enough to stop Ei.

All Sasuke could do in canon in reaction to Ay's attack was Enton. Amaterasu takes more time, thus he dies with zero effort. "Single manga page" is irrelevant as that's not how you determine time. In the time between Ay charging Sasuke and Ay arriving Sasuke could only use Enton. Thus anything faster than that is impossible before Ay clobbers him.

Sasuke counter him like he did in canon by setting enton up he has used enton multiple times without casting amaterasu first
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and even if you try to say it's not possible casting amaterasu and using enton as a defense happened in canon so you have no point.

That's EMS Sasuke. Not MS Sasuke. Try again.




Thus revealing what i said from the beginning Sasuke saw him you have not debunk a single thing i said yet. Raikage did not stop he was slowing down for the moment of impact if you run behind someone to punch them in order to get a clean punch you'll need to stop his momentum was caring him forward he did not even put the back of his foot down

Lmao learn how to read please. If he didn't stop at that instant he would've hit Sasuke's Susanoo. Not to mention Karin and C both had time to talk about Sasuke's strategy and Sasuke's flames so there's no way Ay was moving after he put his foot down. "He didn't put the back of his foot down". So? :lol How he puts his foot down doesn't change what we clearly saw, and that's him STOP.


You can call it what you want, bracing for impact or whatever. Does that change the fact that AT TOP SPEED Sasuke cannot perceive Ay? No.

I like you how recycled that argument FT used in that thread as if it even makes sense in this context to begin with.



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showing he did not pause or stop he had the !! came before enton was even up raikage knew he was going to strike Sasuke no matter what so why would he stop? He's obviously knew about Amaterasu/enton considering how he dodged it.

Lmao this is sad. In the same panel we see Enton go up and then we see Ay's reaction "!!". Ay's reaction obviously didn't come before Enton went up nor is there any plausible reason to believe what you are saying. Ay stopped to decide if he was going to hit it after all, which is why Karin had time to think about how the Raikage's attack will fail because Sasuke used Enton and it's why she was surprised after seeing him hit Susanoo despite him stopping originally.


He clearly saw him dodge amaterasu and jump behind him the reason why he put up enton if he could be blitz or not follow him completely he would not have reacted with enton simple. Both happened in canon it happens again not even about to go over that i already shitted on it read above imp.

He canonically can't visually follow his speed. The rest has been addressed.

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:lol Stop. You sound stupid as hell.

Ei is never getting the chance turning to v2is slower than casting Amaterasu.

Based on nothing.


Sasuke was never looking for Ei to began with once again you cannot counter an argument so your try to trash talk your way out nope i notice shit. I said use Enton as a wall barrier no one said lighting Ei up with enton now shut your ass up. Sasuke already reacted from 5 feet now you think he's going to get blitz from an arena worth of distance? i should be done replying to your ignorant ass.

-Bold is based on nothing.
-Zero evidence that Sasuke can hit Ay w/ Amaterasu.
-Zero evidence he can create Enton in that manner w/ only MS.
-Keep on crying about the distance. You won't be taken seriously until you provide evidence as to why Sasuke can use Amaterasu and hit Ay before Ay hits him.


And stop acting like a little girl you whiny brat. That paragraph is straight fact. No trash talking. So get out of your feelings and stop acting like a female, assuming that's even possible for you.



I provided my evidence Sasuke was already looking to the left prior to that scan

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the scan later he had no swish marks showing he was not looking around but rather in the same motion as he was before so no he never failed to track him. Stop crying about evidence when it's slapping right in the face damn you a lil *****.

Sasuke turned his head left as a response to Ay Shunshin'ing away because he was trying to track him, but he failed hard because when Ay was about to hit him from the right, Sasuke was still looking to the left. Get evidence for your claims or don't reply to me with this weak shit.


You mad? Like I said. Stop acting like a little girl.

No one said he never reacted i said he barely reacted. Yes that is barely since everything but his arm was stuck in motion you can even see the distress in Minato's face showing how close of a call it was but be belligerent about it denying facts.

There are no facts on your side to deny. Just irrelevant points.


Based off common sense if a speedster dodge a bullet from 20m away but it's a inch away from they're face when they dodge and they look surprise move to distance to 5 feet the speedster dies. You don't even have an argument for what im saying just rinse and repeating the same bullshit.

I've countered your garbage arguments too many times to count. Keep on crying though. It's what your type does best.
 
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I'm not sure why Raikage would choose to wait for Sasuke to use Amaterasu if Sasuke couldn't visually perceive him to begin with.

Any-who KG, I'm probably going to respond back either today or tomorrow. Had homework and other shit to get done first.
 

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I'm not sure why Raikage would choose to wait for Sasuke to use Amaterasu if Sasuke couldn't visually perceive him to begin with.

Any-who KG, I'm probably going to respond back either today or tomorrow. Had homework and other shit to get done first.

because he didn't know what sasuke's ms could do.
 

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because he didn't know what sasuke's ms could do.

Oh, this thread is still alive. Didn't bother responding because I wasn't sure if anybody cared.

I suppose you could argue that, but Raikage had intel from the eye-witnesses that were present when Sasuke scorched the Hachibi with Amaterasu. I highly doubt that such a profound technique in Kumogakure wouldn't have even been considered.
 

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Oh, this thread is still alive. Didn't bother responding because I wasn't sure if anybody cared.

I suppose you could argue that, but Raikage had intel from the eye-witnesses that were present when Sasuke scorched the Hachibi with Amaterasu. I highly doubt that such a profound technique in Kumogakure wouldn't have even been considered.

those guys were killed, they never made it back.

Edit my mistake only 1 was killed.
 
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