Raikage vs Hidan and Kakuzu

Raikage vs Hidan and Kakuzu

  • Raikage

    Votes: 37 88.1%
  • Hidan and Kakuzu

    Votes: 5 11.9%

  • Total voters
    42
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No as I have already explained. Kakashi always analyze his opponent abilities before trying to make a move and Hidan's weak taijutsu didn't allow him to land a scratch on Kakashi. He has always been careful when it comes to fighting. He wouldn't simply let his opponent hit him, especially when that opponent isn't even good in taijutsu. That is all. Quit trying to contradict what you can't contradict.

Not sure if you are in the mood to troll be take this thread serious. Just make a seperate thread about this since this is getting off topic (Ill reply to it after I get off from work)

A's speed is too great for Hidan to even catch him, It is useless, the only reason why Kakashi got stuck between Hidan and the air mask was because he was too slow to ignore Hidan and get past him, this is totally not a problem for the Raikage.

I only applied Hidan actually hitting A coming into play when is Armor off


As demonstrated, Hidan and Kakuzu's masks can't catch A due to his speed and reflexes.
In order for Kakuzu to hit A is diversion/distraction. Since Wind Mask is the only chance to win this he has to hide it's presence to find an opening. As a said before A has to Stop and Attack at some point. Which results to Kakuzu finding a blind spot for an reaction

You disagree about Raikage having more battle experience, as you want but those are facts. He led the shinobi alliance, I'm almost certain no one would pick a leader that isn't experienced. Even the Kages were in agreement for the Raikage to be the leader.

Were talking about someone who is way older then Raikage here please don't troll. You don't have no facts to show Raikage having more battle experience.

Again and again, A's speed and reflexes are too great for him to get caught by Kakuzu's masks. The fraction of the second he notices the air mask is about to throw something at him, he can dodge it. That's it.

Kakuzu only chance of Hitting Raikage is not fighting head on. Kakuzu dying the first times proofs that Kakuzu cannot do that to win nor are his Mask.

Sorry but Kakuzu and Hidan have no chance of winning, the poll and replies agree with me

Kakuzu does have a chance, Hidan doesn't. The polls were like that before I even replied to this thread. The people voting shows no favors of possibility of a counter on Kakuzu and Hidan because no one cares. There is no voice but me to take a reasonable approach on the opposite side (Assuming you made this match to balance of a fight between the two)
 

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Kakuzu solos with the fire/wind masks. Owned.

No he can not. Your argument is weak, I've already proved that wrong.



Kakuzu does have a chance, Hidan doesn't. The polls were like that before I even replied to this thread. The people voting shows no favors of possibility of a counter on Kakuzu and Hidan because no one cares. There is no voice but me to take a reasonable approach on the opposite side (Assuming you made this match to balance of a fight between the two)

Just make a seperate thread about this since this is getting off topic (Ill reply to it after I get off from work)

You don't have to. The manga shows that Kakashi always take his opponent seriously no matter what. You can't contradict it.


"I only applied Hidan actually hitting A coming into play when is Armor off"

Then he will never be able to do it.


"In order for Kakuzu to hit A is diversion/distraction. Since Wind Mask is the only chance to win this he has to hide it's presence to find an opening. As a said before A has to Stop and Attack at some point. Which results to Kakuzu finding a blind spot for an reaction"


Kakuzu can't win since he can't hit A with any of his masks. His reflexes make it so he can dodge any of his jutsu. Your argument about the opening is weak because Kakuzu is vulnerable to any of A's attacks because he doesn't have the speed nor the reflexes to evade them.
A can evade his attacks and jutsus, Kakuzu can't. Do the maths.

It doesn't matter if you disagree with the battle experience argument. Facts are facts, I don't care if you don't like it.

I find it funny how you're taking the opposite side just to have a different opinion from the others. Everything shows that this match is in A's favor and that he has 99% chance of winning. I don't even know why I'm arguing about this.
 
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Raikage should be fast enough to evade Hidan's attacks. Raikage should lariat Hidan's head off (or whatever attack he used on Kisame/zetsu clone), then proceed to finish off each of kakuzu's hearts in quick succession.
 

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Raikage should be fast enough to evade Hidan's attacks. Raikage should lariat Hidan's head off (or whatever attack he used on Kisame/zetsu clone), then proceed to finish off each of kakuzu's hearts in quick succession.

True.
 

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The only problem I might see for Raikage is if he is dumb enough to let Hidan hit him. But apart from that, should be no problem. I can't see any of Kakuzu's attacks hurting him (except maybe wind), and I doubt they could hit him, as he is so fast anyway.
 

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Actually I forgot about the elemental types, my bad.

Raikag wins mid diff. Darui was chosen to fight Kakuzu because of his elemental advantage. Darui is Raikage's right hand man. Raikage >>>> Darui. So I assume Raikage could own Kakuzu and tear him apart. Each time the masks gives him a new heart, he rapes him again. Hidan is irrelevant in this fight since he isn't strong enough to hurt Raikage through his lightning armor.
 

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Actually I forgot about the elemental types, my bad.

Raikag wins mid diff. Darui was chosen to fight Kakuzu because of his elemental advantage. Darui is Raikage's right hand man. Raikage >>>> Darui. So I assume Raikage could own Kakuzu and tear him apart. Each time the masks gives him a new heart, he rapes him again. Hidan is irrelevant in this fight since he isn't strong enough to hurt Raikage through his lightning armor.

Exactly. You got a good point here.
 
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The Raikage is fast enough to seal hidan and rip out all four of kakuzu's hearts with medium difficulties
 

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No he can not. Your argument is weak, I've already proved that wrong.





Just make a seperate thread about this since this is getting off topic (Ill reply to it after I get off from work)

You don't have to. The manga shows that Kakashi always take his opponent seriously no matter what. You can't contradict it.

I never disagreed that he wouldn't, no where in my post that I mentions this.


"I only applied Hidan actually hitting A coming into play when is Armor off"

Then he will never be able to do it.

I never said he can do it alone. He has a partner that can beat lightening release.


"In order for Kakuzu to hit A is diversion/distraction. Since Wind Mask is the only chance to win this he has to hide it's presence to find an opening. As a said before A has to Stop and Attack at some point. Which results to Kakuzu finding a blind spot for an reaction"


Kakuzu can't win since he can't hit A with any of his masks. His reflexes make it so he can dodge any of his jutsu. Your argument about the opening is weak because Kakuzu is vulnerable to any of A's attacks because he doesn't have the speed nor the reflexes to evade them.

Again it's about trapping and tactics that to be able to beat A. A will dodge anything he expects[/U] coming. They both have no knowledge on each other. Why would Kakuzu try to fire attacks where A would be aware of? This isn't a weak argument at all because by your logic ONLY people who have Lightening speed are the ONLY people that can defeat A.

A can evade his attacks and jutsus, Kakuzu can't. Do the maths.
We already agree that A CAN Dodge ANY JUTSU Right? So by this logic is A is undefeated in the NarutoVerse since no one can touch him?(Only people with his Speed)

It doesn't matter if you disagree with the battle experience argument. Facts are facts, I don't care if you don't like it.

You have brought no facts. You have only brought that he is leading the alliance (when he is not even doing this by himself but all 5 kages lead the alliance). Kakuzu was an elite ninja before A was even born. How can you still say that has more battle experience?


I find it funny how you're taking the opposite side just to have a different opinion from the others. Everything shows that this match is in A's favor and that he has 99% chance of winning. I don't even know why I'm arguing about this.


So basically you wasted time creating this thread, ok (last post, I guess).

PS: I find it funny how you accept any other replies as good input with complete fallacy's, as long as they agree that A wins. (Reading from page 2).
 

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So basically you wasted time creating this thread, ok (last post, I guess).

PS: I find it funny how you accept any other replies as good input with complete fallacy's, as long as they agree that A wins. (Reading from page 2).

You're ignoring every facts and proofs. You should learn to debate properly before putting yourself into this.
Hidan can't be of any use since he will be speed blitzed and killed in the first second, that leaves Kakuzu alone and unable to do anything sine he can't match with A's speed or get him with any of his masks.
Again, a war leader > Any of your character's kind of experience. It speaks for itself. Ask yourself this, is a war leader who fought in war many times before and is a kage of a village more experienced in battle than a dude who got tricked by some 16 years old genin? Yes now you probably realize how stupid you sounded by saying Kakuzu has more battle experience.

Every manga pages, every single of my proofs show that A has the advantage of this battle, he has the elemental advantage, he can counter all their jutsus and they can't match up to their speed. So why are you debating about this when it's obvious that you're wrong?
You know I could also say that Sakura and Tsunade stands a chance against EMS Madara if they used team work and managed to land a hit on him (remember Tsuande One shoted Edo Madara). But that would be about the same level of idiocy.
Again all your proof here is basically if Kakuzu and Hidan managed to come up with some team work. But how will a beheaded Hidan be of any use here? Her will be dead at the second the fight start. That leaves Kakuzu by himself and he loses right there.
 

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You're ignoring every facts and proofs. You should learn to debate properly before putting yourself into this.

I already broken down your first post, which had misconceptions and holes. Avoid bringing the insulting of debating cause I could easily expose how you debate, troll, and contradiction yourself from other threads. Bringing insults back n forth results to nothing.

Hidan can't be of any use since he will be speed blitzed and killed in the first second,

Wrong because Hidan can't be killed because of his immortality, especially from a speed blitz. Here is an example of someone who survive his speed blitz, when they aren't even immortal:
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Here is where can punch through Juugo:
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Juugo faked his defeat:
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Conclusion, Hidan will not be killed by the first speed blitz/one shot. Hidan can be useful when having a partner like Kakuzu, who can make a way to remove lightening armor.

that leaves Kakuzu alone and unable to do anything sine he can't match with A's speed or get him with any of his masks.

That doesn't leave Kakuzu unless you take A(4th) out of character. Again I see you complain about overrating Kakashi's Kamui in another thread simply because of how dangerous it is and how easily you can take him out of character. "Kamui this Kamui that". But this is what you are doing, "Speed Blitz Chop this Speed Blitz Chop That/Untouchable due to Speed". The manga already proves you wrong that there is still a way to counter A's speed, even being the 3rd fastest character from the Naruto-verse. I suggest you stop doing this to A, "saying speed blitz head chops both of them, from the very beginning". BY MANGA, here is A attempting to chop someone by himself:
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Raigyaku Suihei:
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Chops Sasuke throat

Again, a war leader > Any of your character's kind of experience.
Not my character Kisimoto's
It speaks for itself. Ask yourself this, is a war leader who fought in war many times before and is a kage of a village more experienced in battle than a dude who got tricked by some 16 years old genin? Yes now you probably realize how stupid you sounded by saying Kakuzu has more battle experience.

Ask yourself this, Kakuzu, a shinobi, who has fought in wars since the 1st generation (Madara, 1st Hokage, generation, while A started in the 3rd generation. Kakuzu was known as an elite ninja before A was even born. Giving a title as leader does not automatically give you the most experience because by your logic Gaara, Tsunade, Mei, AND EVEN ONOKI, has more experience then Kakuzu. Bringing the result of a defeat from a main character doesn't help your argument. Kakuzu over analyzed the sitution and was tricked simple as that. You can't conclude a shinobi, who is younger, to someone who is 2 generations ahead of him in battle experience.

Every manga pages, every single of my proofs show that A has the advantage of this battle, he has the elemental advantage, he can counter all their jutsus and they can't match up to their speed. So why are you debating about this when it's obvious that you're wrong?
A has the elemental advantage of EARTH STYLE ONLY. We both already concluded that Kakuzu definitely dies 1/5 because of elemental advantage. Kakuzu also holds a Elemental Advantage in his arsenal that beats lightening. That Naruto-verse shows how to counter someone who is faster then you. Being faster then you doesn't automatically give you the win and the manga shows that.

You know I could also say that Sakura and Tsunade stands a chance against EMS Madara if they used team work and managed to land a hit on him (remember Tsuande One shoted Edo Madara). But that would be about the same level of idiocy.

This logic from your example is the same level of idiocy. Point out your own fallacy on this one.

Again all your proof here is basically if Kakuzu and Hidan managed to come up with some team work. But how will a beheaded Hidan be of any use here? Her will be dead at the second the fight start. That leaves Kakuzu by himself and he loses right there.

Again your are taking A out of character to proof yourself right. When the manga shows that A is still not perfect, they're ways to counter someone faster than you. Being one of the fastest character doesn't make you the strongest because of it.[/b]
 

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Again your are taking A out of character to proof yourself right. When the manga shows that A is still not perfect, they're ways to counter someone faster than you. Being one of the fastest character doesn't make you the strongest because of it.[/b]

Are you threatening me? :)
Actually you didn't prove anything, in fact all your arguments were flawed and have been proved wrong.
Actually you don't even have any proofs to back up your claims, this right here shows how you can't debate properly.
For example what tells you that wind style jutsu would completely wear off Raikage's V2? Nothing proves it.
Then I think everyone here saw how you're totally overrating Hidan and ignoring every single facts that shows how he can't compete with the Raikage.
The Raikage can speed blitz him and behead him, Hidan can't do anything here, he would already be defeated.
Then Kakuzu will be on his own against an opponent that he has no way to defeat. What is he going to do? Tell me. You seem to love beating around the bush but when you need to expose clear explanations and facts you just become so confused. Kakuzu alone has no way to defeat the Raikage. Everything proves it, you cannot prove me wrong either.

PS : Notice how I've quit talking about the battle experience argument. See I've exposed facts but you're not taking them into consideration so there is not point to talk about this to you anymore.
 
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there is a VS part of the base for a reason.

Yeah, and the questions part is here so he can ask for people's opinions on his opinions. \

Why some people need to comment like that, I have no idea.
 

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Are you threatening me? :)
Lol, Guilty Smile. There is no need for me to do it since you dropped the insults

Actually you didn't prove anything, in fact all your arguments were flawed and have been proved wrong.
Bring up what I said that was proven wrong.

Actually you don't even have any proofs to back up your claims, this right here shows how you can't debate properly.

Actually I did and I even showed you scans to back up my claims while you make claims that A goes out of character and Speed Blitz chop both to win (But I will show you why it will be useless when I continue to counter this post).

For example what tells you that wind style jutsu would completely wear off Raikage's V2? Nothing proves it.
Going V2 doesn't proof that he is immune to wind style anymore, anyway, here are manga facts:
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Manga explains Wind>Lightening,then:

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Seriously, I know you already knew the answer to this, you just doing this for the sake of an argument. If I were to make a Danzo vs A thread, I pretty sure your personally would change and know how Danzo can take this. Be reasonable when you want to argue. I cannot change your mind on your opinion but don't be bias just for the sake of trying to be right all the time. Since you believe Raikage has a 99% chance of winning, I would show you how it can be narrowed his chances a bit lower than that.

Then I think everyone here saw how you're totally overrating Hidan and ignoring every single facts that shows how he can't compete with the Raikage.
I never overrated Hidan. Throughout my whole post I have agreed that Hidan has no chance against Raikage. This is a team effort in this battle. Kakuzu is a perfect partner to help win this match.

The Raikage can speed blitz him and behead him, Hidan can't do anything here, he would already be defeated.
I have already shown you that you are overrating this attack. I just shown you Juggo and Sasuke tanked it.
I will now add on: because of Kakuzu's Jingou, he is able to stitch him back up. How will Kakuzu have the time? Kakuzu doesn't need to personally do it himself he can have 1/4 monsters do it, hiding underground is perfect so it doesn't need to be revealed and out in the open. Those masks are extremely flexible. They can inflate, they can shrink. Why didn't he do that in the arc? Kisimoto does not want to reveal Kakuzu moves yet but Shikmaru gives a little hint that they need to be separated for that very reason:
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Then Kakuzu will be on his own against an opponent that he has no way to defeat. What is he going to do? Tell me. You seem to love beating around the bush but when you need to expose clear explanations and facts you just become so confused. Kakuzu alone has no way to defeat the Raikage. Everything proves it, you cannot prove me wrong either.
Here will be an full explanation then since summaries is not good enough at this point:

Because of Kakuzu forbidden jutsu, Jingou, this can gives him the reason of being immortal/living for every UNTIL ALL HEARTS ARE GONE (Manga explains in order to kill him you have to destroy all hearts):
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That very reason Kakuzu can use his lives to gain chances of succeeding in battle. You might ask, wouldn't just chopping his head off do that trick? Likely, but, you have to remember Kakuzu is able to reattach, relocate, again, thus is the reason why he is known for being immortal, example of chopping up results:
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So Chopping is possible of course but Jingou can act on their own when Kakuzu is dead. Jingou can re attach Kakuzu.

Note: You can't say edo tensei because manga doesn't show him being reanimated to fix himself up. Jingou jutsu has shown to be able to do it

Because of feats of Jingou it will not be a simply task to end the game with one chop. You might ask: Are you kidding me are you implying that Kakuzu can still win even getting his head blown from jinton or something?

Not at all am I implying that, What I am saying FOR THIS VS, is that Raikage's arsenal has shown it NOT to be near that level of erasing an existence Try avoiding others jutsu to prove your point, this is a just in case you do.

Kakuzu is has shown intelligence feats and tactics (which databook gave him 4.5/5) (Kakuzu examples of tatics/Shikimaru's response:
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Also Kakuzu's response:
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Conclusion Kakuzu: has shown to analyze a situation he is in and plans a counter. Because of Jingou and is able to reattach and relocate to plan tatics to defeats an enemy. I am aware that A is faster anc can easily beat Domu Domu, BUT Kakuzu experiencing his first death (AND EVEN MORE DEATHS SINCE HE LIVES 5 TIMES) from the Raikage gives him another chance to counter his devastating speed and strength.

This is where Kakuzu's wind release comes in handy, Kakuzu using tactic would result to catching Raikage from the blind side. Mains reason to catch him is:

-Subdue/Strain: Since Raikage mainly physically attacks his opponent. These Zombie duo can take advantage and hold him down (any sec counts) while he has a whole through their stomachs.

-Underground attack moments: Kakuzu has shown his attacks can POSSIBLY attack from the underground, which requires tatic's and timing.

The Zombie Duo's feats can definitely have Raikage drop blood.





PS : Notice how I've quit talking about the battle experience argument. See I've exposed facts but you're not taking them into consideration so there is not point to talk about this to you anymore.

I have notice that you quick to avoid showing face at that point. You have realized that it was illogical to claim someone younger then him has more battle experience then someone 40 years older then him. I will do you a favor and let this died down for your sake.
 

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I have notice that you quick to avoid showing face at that point. You have realized that it was illogical to claim someone younger then him has more battle experience then someone 40 years older then him. I will do you a favor and let this died down for your sake.

Lol this proves absolutely nothing, first Kakuzu may be 91 years old but it doesn't mean he has fought for the first 50 years of his life. Do you have a proof about that? Probably not. On the other hand Raikage is a war leader and a Kage, he has way more battle experience, deal with it.

I don't understand why you keep mentionning the immortal duos like they're going to be 2. No, as I told you Hidan will be finished in the first 3 seconds of this match, he will be behaded and the Raikage can jsut splatter his head or throw it at 500km away. Done, he won't be reattachaed.

Now, nothing proves that Fuuton can wear off V2 armor. You don't have any proof about that. It's not because he has the elemental advantage over Raiton that it will necessarely wear it off. If you have a valid proof come back to me with it, if you don't then there's no point in bringing this weak argument up ever again.

Now since Hidan will be defeated right away, there's nothing else to debate on. The raikage win this since Kakuzu can't react nor evade any of A's attacks. Basically you're defending a lost cause. You're also the only one defending Kakuzu here. I guess everyone but you understood that he doesn't stand a chance. :)
 
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Lol this proves absolutely nothing, first Kakuzu may have 91 years but it doesn't mean he has fought for the first 50 years of his life. Do you have a proof about that? Probably not. On the other hand Raikage is a war leader and a Kage, he has way more battle experience, deal with it.

I don't understand why you keep mentionning the immortal duos like they're going to be 2. No, as I told you Hidan will be finished in the first 3 seconds of this match, he will be behaded and the Raikage can jsut splatter his head or throw it at 500km away. Done, he won't be reattachaed.

Now, nothing proves that Fuuton can wear off V2 armor. You don't have any proof about that. It's not because he has the elemental advantage over Raiton that it will necessarely wear it off. If you have a valid proof come back to me with it, if you don't then there's no point in bringing this weak argument up ever again.

Now since Hidan will be defeated right away, there's nothing else to debate on. The raikage win this since Kakuzu can't react nor evade any of A's attacks. Basically you're defending a lost cause. You're also the only one defending Kakuzu here. I guess everyone but you understood that he doesn't stand a chance. :)

Lmao. *Finds no nothing to counter then results to trolls for results*

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Lmao. *Finds no nothing to counter then results to trolls for results*

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Nice, you can't bring any proofs to back up your claims and you're now out of arguments and can't even counter mines.
I win, my work is done here :)
 
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