[Debate] Racial Theories of the Altright.

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IQ is an accurate means, but whether someones completely moronic because their IQ is below 90 isn't guaranteed.

I still haven't seen anything that will even remotely gets close to saying IQ testing is not only accurate/precise, but reproducible at that. Someone could score one number on this test and then 1 week later score something completely different on the same test. I have seen it.

And I'm black as well but what is being said is that, on average, black people are likely to commit crime more than Hispanics or Caucasians speaking from statistical facts. Nobody is generalizing you or me.

You seriously don't see how those 'statistics' are skewed?
 

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And I'm black as well but what is being said is that, on average, black people are likely to commit crime more than Hispanics or Caucasians speaking from statistical facts. Nobody is generalizing you or me.

And you believe that genetics are the cause of this? That black people are just genetically inferior and more violent?
 

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Its admitted that people from lower socio economic backgrounds are disproportionately represented in these studies and this is the scientist saying it but they still say race

But it's not just about background. There are so many other factors that affect the results of an individuals results. That's why it can't be accurate in anyway to determine someone's intelligence.

What does this refute? Do you think you just made a point?
My point was made the second you didn't have evidence to back up your claims. You posted some sources but they still don't prove what you're saying.
 

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And you believe that genetics are the cause of this? That black people are just genetically inferior and more violent?

No, I don't. Read my post in page 2. I pointed out that it's the culture behind this phenomenon. Gang culture is more empathised in Hispanics and Blacks, hence why the two ethnic groups happen to be disproportionally incarcerated. Just as for that racial superiority (white supremacy) is more apparent in White Americans, which is no wonder whites disproportionally commit hate crimes in the country.
 

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No, I don't. Read my post in page 2. I pointed out that it's the culture behind this phenomenon. Gang culture is more empathised in Hispanics and Blacks, hence why the two ethnic groups happen to be disproportionally incarcerated. Just as for that racial superiority (white supremacy) is more apparent in White Americans, which is no wonder whites disproportionally commit hate crimes in the country.

And why do you think this gang culture, a culture of revolving around crime, is more emphasized within minority groups?
 

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And why do you think this gang culture, a culture of revolving around crime, is more emphasized within minority groups?

Movies, video games and racist justice system play their parts.
 

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Movies, video games and racist justice system play their parts.

Movies and video-games have been widely debunked as to cause violent reactions in normal individuals systematically.

Let me rephrase the question. What is the primary factor that crime stems from?
 

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Movies and video-games have been widely debunked as to cause violent reactions in normal individuals systematically.

Let me rephrase the question. What is the primary factor that crime stems from?

How is that a question? There are, like, so many factors people commit crimes, but it literally doesn't change the fact that certain crimes appear more in certain groups. I get the vibe you'll say that poverty or lack of education is the primary reason, and while the two things certainly play a big part, though they aren't primary factors in the Black American community for so many reasons.
 

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How is that a question? There are, like, so many factors people commit crimes, but it literally doesn't change the fact that certain crimes appear more in certain groups. I get the vibe you'll say that poverty or lack of education is the primary reason, and while the two things certainly play a big part, though they aren't primary factors in the Black American community for so many reasons.

Well, first I'm trying to make a general point. Yes, there certainly are many factors, I'm not denying this. I'm trying to establish that you are not denying this either. These issues all have nuances and intricacies to them and until people understand that, then the discussion can't move forward in a progressive manner.

And yes, I was going to say poverty. Poverty and crime are directly correlated. That is the biggest contributor to most crime and minorities predominately live in poor neighborhoods. Living in poor neighborhoods gives you lack of access to things, such as education and also jobs. And this gives rise to things like gang culture because without jobs, resources, and access to quality education, all that you're left with is with a way to survive. People in those neighborhoods grow up believing that they have no future and are seduced by the prospect of joining a gang because that is a sure way of making money and gaining respect.

Even though gang culture is popularized, people who are considered middle class and above normally don't commit crimes because of it. It's mostly adopted by people living in poor neighborhoods.

And if you look at the statistics. Crime rates are similar between races in low income households.




You also have the South, which have some of the lowest per capita income states, committing 40% of all reported violent crimes, even though they make up about 1/4 of the U.S. population.

 
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But it's not just about background. There are so many other factors that affect the results of an individuals results. That's why it can't be accurate in anyway to determine someone's intelligence.


My point was made the second you didn't have evidence to back up your claims. You posted some sources but they still don't prove what you're saying.

True they still haven't explained how iq tests are a meaningful why to measure a persons intelligence.

And they don't even see how the sources they posted aren't proof or on occassions like you posted refute what they're saying.
 

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He has poor reading comprehension. Even if you agreed with him completely, he might argue with you not realizing that. Ignore him.

I don't just read, unlike you, i also analyze stuff. And yes, good advice. He'd be better off ignoring me and so would you.
 

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And I'm black as well but what is being said is that, on average, black people are likely to commit crime more than Hispanics or Caucasians speaking from statistical facts. Nobody is generalizing you or me.

You might not have, but I had been generalized. I grew up around rednecks and Ohio has people who hold racist views, though now, they tend to hide it more.

I got called a thug, rapist, and a criminal before by people who barely or never knew me.

They just assumed that sh*t because I'm black while also calling me a ni**er for no reason before I decked them in the jaw.

:kk:
 

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Equality was enforced by dictating that all races and genders are equal. It helped back then slavery and oppression of women but now people use that to lynch people who dont go by that. If someone were to tell that because of your race you are likely to get this type of disease they had want to do something about it but if they were told that on average people are likely not smart they get mad and try to disapprove at any cost labeling it as racist. This kind of lack of clarity helps alt right for them with racial theories or some young people question why society and media is try to force it down while there is an obvious difference visible.

biologist writes something about women or race
he gets labeled as bigot/sexist/racist
news paper headline as omgee look at this shocking, hateful blah blha
no one tried read what he wrote, they could have accepted fact or wrote counter arguments
but he gets fired by 23 year old feminist diversity officer or ceo telling on press they love diversity we hate this guy **** him
Alt Right: we told you, see it right there
 

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They all disproved your theory that IQ is even an accurate way to measure intelligence. I also saw no evidence of intelligence thresholds based on race.

I will provide an overview of precisely what IQ measures because this is something that most social science professors, much less NB posters, do not understand (they do not understand because they tend to be mathematically illiterate by the standards of university professors).

In the early 20th century an Englishman by the name of Charles Spearman, an extraordinarily mathematically gifted man who was originally an engineer but later made remarkable contributions to both statistics and psychology, made a common sense observation that everyone in high-school notices: that school grades tend to be correlated.

Spearman noticed that British school pupils who got good grades on Latin very often also attained good grades on mathematics and history. Likewise pupils who did poorly on one subject often did poorly on most of them. And he wondered, why? Why was it that performance on subjects as unrelated as mathematics and Latin were so correlated?

Spearman being the natural mathematician he was wanted to study this issue precisely, i.e. quantitively and mathematically, so he invented a statistical technique known as factor analysis to do so. This statistical technique essentially allows you to ‘extract’ a few ‘factors’ that explain the correlation among many variables such as many school subjects.

He then found that the correlations between all the subjects studied by school pupils could be compressed to just one factor which he named ‘g’ for the ‘general factor.’

An analogy that might help clarify this for you would be to see that, given the same amount of practice, people who are good at a few sports tend to be good at most sports while people who are bad at a few sports also tend to be bad at most sports. If you apply factor analysis to performance on sports you would extract a factor that could quantitatively explain the correlation between performance on all sports. This factor would be something like a general ‘athleticism’ and people who score high on ‘athleticism’ are good at most sports and the converse, that people who score low on ‘athleticism’ are bad at most sports, is also true.

Now you can precisely quantify a correlation between these general factors and individual subject scores. For those unfamiliar with statistical correlation – a correlation of 0 means two things aren’t related at all while a maximum correlation of 1.0 means that they are perfectly proportional (a straight-line on a graph). If you found that, for example, basketball correlates with ‘athleticism’ at 0.8 while cricket only correlates with it at 0.4 you could say that basketball is a better test of ‘athleticism’ than cricket and people who are good at basketball are more likely to be good at most sports than people who are merely good at cricket.

Now do you see the amazing utility of factor analysis? Factor analysis essentially allows you to quantify just how ‘good’ a test is at measuring the general factor. When it comes to school subjects, a subject like physics tends to have a high correlation with ‘g’ (we say that physics is highly g loaded) compared to something like art. And that’s not surprising at all, I’m sure you remember from your high-school days that the kids who were good at physics tended to be ‘smart’, i.e., they tended to do well academically in general whereas the same couldn’t be said as strongly for the artistic kids.

Well, it turned out that ‘g’ isn’t limited to school subjects. In fact it turns out that literally any battery of tests that require some form of thinking, for example tests of short term memory and how fast you can do arithmetic calculations (a test of mental processing speed) and tests of the ability to mentally rotate shapes in your head, will all show the same pattern of universal correlation between the individual tests just like school subjects. And if you apply factor analysis to them you will extract the single general factor.

And guess what?

The general factor extracted from school grades is very highly correlated with the general factor extracted from a battery of basic mental tests (tests of memory, mental speed etc).

Now we can finally define mathematically what a perfect or ideal IQ test is: it is an infinite number of mental tests (these tests can be anything that requires thinking whether a basic memory test or a physics exam). This is because the correlation between the general factor and the individual tests tends to 1 in the mathematical limit of N tests as N tends to infinity.

This is why good real world IQ tests that psychologists use are all batteries of individual tests – things like a test of vocabulary, abstract pattern recognition, mathematical reasoning etc. A real IQ test isn’t those fun jokes of IQ tests on the internet. A much better example of an IQ test than ‘internet IQ tests’ would be the American SAT or GRE or LSAT or MCAT.

Here is a fun fact for you: did you know that physics majors typically come out as the top LSAT scorers on average? Even though physics is all mathematics and the LSAT is a law-school aptitude test consisting of a battery of verbal thinking tests, physics majors do better than English literature majors. Why is that? Well just as in high-school – the kids who are good at physics tend to be ‘smarter’ than the kids who merely do well in English literature. And those physics majors go on to perform better in law-school and then become better lawyers, on average. Likewise physics majors outperform biology majors on medical school aptitude tests like the MCAT and GAMSAT.

And here is another fun fact for you, whether it is the SAT or GRE or LSAT or MCAT, East Asians outperform Whites who outperform Blacks.

Charles Spearman thought that ‘g’ was a measure of something like ‘mental horsepower’ and I think that is a good way of thinking about it. IQ tests measure your ability for reasoning in general whether that reasoning is about engineering or law or medicine. Intelligence is a much more vague term but if you think that engineering, law or medicine has something to do with it then I venture to say that IQ has something to do with intelligence.
 

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My point was made the second you didn't have evidence to back up your claims. You posted some sources but they still don't prove what you're saying.

Let me walk you through what you just did.

  • First, you ask me for sources, which I provided.
  • Secondly, you claim the sources don't support what I claim; I claim all my arguments are based around those sources.
  • Thirdly, you post an arbitrary quote from one excerpt, out of dozens of pages of information, out of several different sources in an attempt to either show that the quote contradicts my claim, or to show that the single quote you posted shows that the entirety of my sources don't support my claims, then I asked what purpose of posting a random quote from on of my sources to be sure of what you're attempting to do.
  • Finally, you claim that the arbitrary quote out of a single excerpt from a single source out of several different sources proves I have no evidence to back up my claims.



You're either trolling, stupid, being disingenuous, or an amalgamation of the 3. Odds are, they're not mutually exclusive. It' could possible that you want me to do your leg work, and instead of having you read my sources, you want me to hand the specific sections of my sources to you on a silver platter so you can attempt to debunk them. Not happening.

Mind you, some of my sources go on beyond 50+ pages of information, and most of your responses to came in minutes after I respond to you. I believed you either skimmed through the first few pages looking for exact quotes (which I never do without quotations) or ctrl+f for keywords. You didn't read shit because you're incompetent, "bruh bruh".
 
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No matter if you're white, black, or any kind of color, you are still a piece of sh*t or a yuppie or a alpha/beta or even a cuck at the end of the day.

We are just hard working people, sweating blood and tears, to earn a buck and live a good life.

All we want, like those greedy cucks called the Rockafellers and the Rothschild family, is a piece of the action. Earn money and live good to sustain a stable home.

That is the American dream.

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