Question to people who say NaruHina was forced: Did you find true love in pre-school?

[HyuugaHeir]

NaruHina happened because of (particularly not in order of importance or impact):
1. Neji, his death, and somehow his dynamics with Naruto and Hinata
2. Hinata, she being a side character who revolves around the majority of her panel time around Naruto, leading to the only resolution to her character to be paired up with Naruto at the end (dont misinterpret, it would have been better if we were given the substantial panels where she actually achieved being the Hyuga head. That would have erased all the hate she's getting.)
3. Naruto, his character, his finite, rare but relatively impactful interaction with you guessed it right, Hinata, along with all the yin yang connection the whole manga suggests. Yada yada Sasuke is the yin to Naruto's yang. So does Hinata. Won't we say Sakura too is to Sasuke.
4. And as mentioned, Sakura. NS could have been the red herring not really if only Sakura has shown signs of finally leaning on to Naruto. But the war has been happening and what do we get? More SS. Although the NS stuff is also plenty.
5. Well not really a fifth item. I know this is shounen but I would have found it more complicated in an appreciative way if Sasuke were to have some interactions with Hinata. I dunno, some sort of Uchiha Hyuuga sort of dynamics and maybe adding a little more tension on the romance department. But then if that happened, the story could have steered on a different path. Bye Sasuke's purity, bye Hinata's apparent side character label. That kind of thing.


I think I lost track.
Anyway, NH wouldnt have been seemingly forced if only Hinata or the Hyuga were tied in more closely to the plot
An arc could have been introduced before the war if plans for Hinata joining the main cast were intended.

NH rocks

 

[HyuugaHeir]

Actually, I can give you a whole movie of it.

If you mean the Last, well...
It was a good movie. Relatively great, minus the Toneri stuff and tenseigan crap. Ish. The moon plot seemed like a great way to drive things too.

I really dont know if Kishi planned everything or maybe the editors or scriptwriters did. I just wished the Last could have stayed more loyal to the manga. I know Hamura and his lineage are not really tapped. The movie could have just invested on NaruHina and the Hyuuga. Then throw freebies on other pairing.

 

[HyuugaHeir]

The problem with Naruhina has that Naruto would have stayed oblivious to Hinata if it wasn't for Neji's death, so Kishi used a shitty plot device in order to make the ship happen. Kishimoto could have made a better effort to make their pairing feel more natural, but instead we had Neji die to toothpicks and his final wish was that Naruto bone Hinata. Look, even Temari x Shikamaru felt more natural than Naruto x Hinata did lol

Hahaha for toothpicks.
I just want to say that it wasnt a weak death scene. The "toothpicks" werent a bad method. The chapter was handled fairly well with the intense action and immediate pinpoint attack there was really no way in hell Naruto could have been saved without a sacrifice. It just got to be Neji.
What sucks is the build up to that death.

Neji could have appeared earlier, heck before the alliance arrived. Give him a little arc, remember his father being revived. Why didnt we get some Hyuuga crap.


About the Shika Tema being more natural, I guess it really does. But thay doesnt excempt NH from being one.

What NH and ST shares is the lack of-almost none-bif romantic gesture, which is normal because that is how naruto is. What ruins NH is lack of Hinata's outstanding development. She had some but they never stood out.

 

[kimb]

Hahaha for toothpicks.
I just want to say that it wasnt a weak death scene. The "toothpicks" werent a bad method. The chapter was handled fairly well with the intense action and immediate pinpoint attack there was really no way in hell Naruto could have been saved without a sacrifice. It just got to be Neji.
What sucks is the build up to that death.

Neji could have appeared earlier, heck before the alliance arrived. Give him a little arc, remember his father being revived. Why didnt we get some Hyuuga crap.


About the Shika Tema being more natural, I guess it really does. But thay doesnt excempt NH from being one.

What NH and ST shares is the lack of-almost none-bif romantic gesture, which is normal because that is how naruto is. What ruins NH is lack of Hinata's outstanding development. She had some but they never stood out.

Me calling Obito's mokuton toothpicks is just my way of showing distain for Neji's death. =D

His death made complete sense, but I'm still not okay with the fact that out of all the ninja in the konoha 11, Kishi decides to kill one of my favorites. I agree Hinata deserved more character development, especially because she's the main protagonists love interest, but this is "Naruto" we're talking about; a series where even main characters lack development.

 

[roark]

You speaking as if Sasuke abruptly refused out a negative connotation, he didn't want Sakura to tag along becuase his journey of reflection (discovering who he was) & atoning for his sins. Sakura couldn't help with that and Sasuke wasn't in a place to embrace Sakura the way embraced him (even though the mutual alignment was there).



Trivial! Sure they were in Orochimaru's hide out if you will but Sarada was born in the presence friendship (Karins friendship) and Orichimaru wasn't his enemy either.



Trivial! What other paring besides Naruhina had a wedding illustrated in the manga? Secondly you don't need to have a wedding to consecrate a marriage so nah!



That was out of obligation, Sasuke had to do a job that no one else in the entire NV couldn't do but more then that Sakura didn't take his absence as an amidst of her marriage with him



She could've talked about him more I agree.



He gave her Sarada and his love/affection.

He showed Sarada love and affection trying to kill her and training his friend son? He showed how he loved his wife and daughter never even calling them in 10 years? Refusing to kiss his wife, to assure his daughter he loved her and the family was stable? wow true love.

If he loved sakura he would bring her with him in his journey, he also said his sins had nothing do to with her, did he forget he tried to kill her and humilliated her, also mocked her feelings? We all know Sakura has no self respect or memory problems, but Sasuke... I don't remember it on him. It was her wish go with him, so if he cared so much, they would travel together. Never forget also that was her who chased him, he never returned to her.

The marrige was a issue because Sarada was suspicious that her mother was lying, that marriage was fake, that her alleged father not even existed and Sakura didn't had a wedding photo to prove it. So the marriage was a problem in the plot, that's why I mentioned it. In the story it was a source of problems and was portrayed in a bad light.


If you think this is beautiful, okay....

 

[Aznkidd]

You're welcome to find me a scan where Naruto had feelings for Hinata. I'll wait

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You are also welcome to take a selfie with your love that you are/will get married with her/him when you guys are around 12-16 :lol

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[CornyRainbow]

Everything pairing and yes including ShikaTema didn't get enough justice. There are faults in all the pairings which is they all LACKED screentime in the manga.

 

[Zeph]

This shounen manga. NaruHina is mainly fan service.

 

[JENchuuriki]

They should forgive Kishi bad romance writing... but no one in his team suggest of something XD

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

Why is this still a topic, they are all crappy end pairings besides shikatema. Accept it and we all move forward its been years

Shikatemi is a crappy pairing to. By no means in pairing standards are they above the rest.

 

[chaos control]

Me calling Obito's mokuton toothpicks is just my way of showing distain for Neji's death. =D

His death made complete sense, but I'm still not okay with the fact that out of all the ninja in the konoha 11, Kishi decides to kill one of my favorites. I agree Hinata deserved more character development, especially because she's the main protagonists love interest, but this is "Naruto" we're talking about; a series where even main characters lack development.

Bold: I have actually heard a number of people have a problem with Neji being the one that died. However, when you really think about it, his death would have been one of the only K11 deaths that would have mattered. Think about it:

Naruto: Obviously couldn't die then due to being main character

Sakura: also a main character, couldn't die at that point, this would also upset too many pairing fans and I believe Kishi would stray away from that.

Sasuke: main character, so couldn't die

Shikamaru: He is actually one of the few K11 that could have an impactful death. However, we pretty much all knew that when Naruto became hokage, Shikamaru was going to be his advisor, so he couldn't die there. Plus, his dad had just died the previous chapter, so it would be in bad taste to kill off both father and son in two consecutive chapters.

Choji: His death wouldn't really be that impactful. Choji was a friend to Naruto, but he was never really that major of a friend. He also didn't have that deep of a character or back story, and he wasn't really that relevant.

Ino: Basically same story as Choji. To be honest, her death would be more for Sakura's development if anything rather than Naruto's. Plus, her dad had just died the previous chapter along with Shikamaru's dad, so it would be in bad taste to kill off both father and daughter in two consecutive chapters.

Shino: Completely irrelevant. Naruto himself barely even remembered Shino. Let's be honest here. Who (in terms of the readers) would really be that affected by Shino's death. Honestly that would be one of the most random deaths.

Kiba: Also irrelevant. He was more so a comic relief character to be honest. His death wouldn't bring about any real believable development.

Hinata: Now this is a major one. Her death certainly would have been meaningful, but her death would have pissed a ton of fans off. Like I said before, Kishi probably wanted to stray away from messing with the pairings too much until the end. Plus, I also specifically remember an interview where Kishi actually stated that he hoped for Naruto to return Hinata's feelings. That would never happen had Hinata died. Plus, Hinata sacrificing herself would have gotten repetitive, since she already did that once before against Pain.

Rock Lee: This death would have had some meaning due to the fact that just about every fan at some point or another kind of felt for Lee's struggle to become a great shinobi despite not being able to use ninjutsu or genjutsu. Naruto was also fairly close to Lee. However, it is precisely for those reasons that Lee's death would have been counter-productive. We all know that Kishi is big on putting themes in the manga. Killing off Lee before Lee reached his prime as a shinobi would have essentially just shot down all the messages about hard work and perseverance that Lee's character stood for.Unlike with Neji's death, which symbolized Neji choosing his own fate as opposed to ideology of his part 1 self, Lee's death wouldn't have been a "victory of sorts". Lee's death here would have just said, "You can try and try all you want, but if you're too weak then that's just too bad". It would have been horrible to kill Lee here.

Tenten: Completely irrelevant. It's Tenten for crying out loud. To be honest, nothing more needs to be said about her.

Lastly, that brings us to:

Neji: From part 1 and onwards, Neji already had that theme of choosing one's own fate going on with him. Neji was actually a very dynamic character that went from being a boy with a nihilistic point of view about life and destiny due to the tragic loss in his childhood, to a young man who had learned the lesson that one tragedy (or even a whole history of oppression) doesn't define a person's potential or destiny. As a result, it makes sense that the ultimate end for Neji's character as a whole was choosing his own fate and choosing to die just like his father.

Do you see why Neji's death was the only K11 death that would have made sense or have been relevant at the time?

 

[demon of the leaf]

I honestly could care less me i think they could have done a whole lot more to build on it but it is what it is

 

[Made in Heaven]

Naruhina isnt forced, its underdeveloped.

 

[HyuugaHeir]

Me calling Obito's mokuton toothpicks is just my way of showing distain for Neji's death. =D

His death made complete sense, but I'm still not okay with the fact that out of all the ninja in the konoha 11, Kishi decides to kill one of my favorites. I agree Hinata deserved more character development, especially because she's the main protagonists love interest, but this is "Naruto" we're talking about; a series where even main characters lack development.

With the toothpick thing yeah. I sort of call it thag too. I just voiced it out because who knows some see it as actual toothpicks who "fodderized" Neji.

Another, Neji is also a top favorite of mine. But really his death is the only one that mattered out of all Naruto's peer. With him dying, the plot could have ventures tying loose ends namely Neji's character and resolve, NH, Hyuga and Naruto and Hinata individually

I remember that I want to say that the anime did portray Neji's death badly. The manga showed us a pinpoint attack where no one really did have time to react without sacrificing a life. The anime on contrast handed the projectile poorly and Neji seemingly just jumped out commiting utter suicide. Really bad animation