Question for those who say that Naruto doesn't work for his power?

[TrollKing]

Whether naruto befriended biju or not. The power of biju is still all the way up there

 

[chaos control]

You do know that Kishi said that Lee and Guy are the ones who work harder right?

The dude walks with weights that can destroy the ground for gods sake!!

About Ashura, Naruto has his chakra, doesn't mean he has his personality and his life

This doesn't matter. I am not even talking about who works harder. I am just saying that people should take different fighting styles into consideration before they go basing the quality of everyone else's hard work on Lee and Guy! Not taking this into consideration is unfair to those who simply fight differently.

 

[ANiMUS]

And people always wonder why I seemingly (even though I actually don't) bash Lee. Why does everyone use Lee and Guy as the standard of comparison for hard work?

1. Not everyone is some inhumane person who eats, sleeps and breathes training.
2. There are different types of powers and skills. Not everyone's skill set requires that they do 1000 laps around the village in 5 seconds. Some need to concentrate on mental training, while others need chakara control, while others are working on specific jutsus, etc... It is only Lee and Guy's skill set that requires them to be workaholics!

This is why it is so annoying that people bash characters like Naruto and talk all about Lee this, Lee that, Lee Lee Lee!!

People should really stop using Lee as the basis for what hard work is!

Probably because they think that Lee is the ultimate showing of hard work, which is wrong......Its Guy XDXDXD

Lee is still a work in progress, but back to the OT, yes Naruto worked for some of his power ups (I won't say all or most becuz somehow it seems like a blatant lie) Naruto was born the chosen one, was given the Kyuubi at birth, had Kakashi, Jaraiya, and Fusaku (toad) already lined up as future sensei, had his mom and Dad sealed inside him to help him tame the Kyuubi, and was just given power by the Sage. Being the MC Naruto was born into a very advantageous position especially compared to Lee and Guy, but regardless Naruto worked hard to get where he is at no one can deny that.

Also, KCM was earned, but BM was given shearly becuz Kurama started to like Naruto.

 

[chaos control]

Whether naruto befriended biju or not. The power of biju is still all the way up there

So... Are you agreeing or disagreeing with me?

 

[paratise]

Naruto was never meant to prove value of hardwork, that's not his character's theme i dunno why people pulled that out. He sympathized with Lee's goal at some point, that does not mean they share the same ethics.

Lee and Guy are the characters who represent hardwork. Why the fruck Naruto has to be the utmost hard worker? That's not his character.

 

[siege]

Whether naruto befriended biju or not. The power of biju is still all the way up there

What exactly is your point he's only been friends with the tailed beasts during the war through the whole series he struggled against
The nine tails trying to take control of him and the tailed beasts tested thoroughly before giving their friendship

 

[Tobi98]

Look at it this way, Lee may work hard as/harder than Naruto, but he didn't have the "tools" Naruto did to reach his level

If anybody could get God level just by working hard then that would ruin the story, everyone would be running around God level because they would have no reason not to unless they were lazy

It isn't easy to work as hard as Guy and Lee

This doesn't matter. I am not even talking about who works harder. I am just saying that people should take different fighting styles into consideration before they go basing the quality of everyone else's hard work on Lee and Guy! Not taking this into consideration is unfair to those who simply fight differently.

Is Naruto training (his kind of training) all the time? No then you can't really compare to Lee, as he is alway working on his kind of training

Of course Naruto worked hard but isn't the only reason he got this powerfull

 

[siege]

Naruto was never meant to prove value of hardwork, that's not his character's theme i dunno why people pulled that out. He sympathized with Lee's goal at some point, that does not mean they share the same ethics.

Lee and Guy are the characters who represent hardwork. Why the fruck Naruto has to be the utmost hard worker? That's not his character.

He coined the phrase there's no shortcuts to becoming Hokage he failed the graduation exam three times if he doesn't represent Hardwork what does he represent then not saying that Lee isn't a hard worker but Lee and Naruto are very similar

 

[chaos control]

It isn't easy to work as hard as Guy and Lee


Is Naruto training (his kind of training) all the time? No then you can't really compare to Lee, as he is alway working on his kind of training

Of course Naruto worked hard but isn't the only reason he got this powerfull

Who says that it has to be always or the only reason that you got powerful? Think about it this way:

If some random guy named Bob works a 16 hour work day on a construction site on week days. You'd say Bob works pretty hard right?

Well what is wrong if Bob just happens to find a dollar on the street one day? Is that so bad?

You speak as if every cent he makes has to be from his job.

You also said that Naruto is not always doing his type of training. Well think about this:

Is it so wrong for Bob to get a vacation every once in a while? Is it bad that his work days are only 16 hours instead of 24?

This is what I mean when I say that you people act like a person has to eat sleep and breathe work! Maybe your life's sole purpose is to be working during every nanosecond, but some people want to do other things as well.

This is why people should stop always using Lee and Guy as comparisons. They do that by choice, but that doesn't mean that it is necessary.

 

[siege]

Who says that it has to be always or the only reason that you got powerful? Think about it this way:

If some random guy named Bob works a 16 hour work day on a construction site on week days. You'd say Bob works pretty hard right?

Well what is wrong if Bob just happens to find a dollar on the street one day? Is that so
You speak as if every cent he makes has to be from his job.

You also said that Naruto is not always doing his type of training. Well think about this:

Is it so wrong for Bob to get a vacation every once in a while? Is it bad that his work days are only 16 hours instead of 24?

This is what I mean when I say that you people act like a person has to eat sleep and breathe work! Maybe your life's sole purpose is to be working during every nanosecond, but some people want to do other things as well.

This is why people should stop always using Lee and Guy as comparisons. They do that by choice, but that doesn't mean that it is necessary.

There's no one in the series did it alone they all got help from someone

 

[TrollKing]

So... Are you agreeing or disagreeing with me?

80-90% of bsm power is ninetails. Training or not, befriending or not. That biju never power is in naruto since day one. Doesn't change anything. Kid naruto could just go crazy, then he wouldn't been>>>>>>>kaged

 

[Tobi98]

Who says that it has to be always or the only reason that you got powerful? Think about it this way:

If some random guy named Bob works a 16 hour work day on a construction site on week days. You'd say Bob works pretty hard right?

Well what is wrong if Bob just happens to find a dollar on the street one day? Is that so bad?

You speak as if every cent he makes has to be from his job.

You also said that Naruto is not always doing his type of training. Well think about this:

Is it so wrong for Bob to get a vacation every once in a while? Is it bad that his work days are only 16 hours instead of 24?

This is what I mean when I say that you people act like a person has to eat sleep and breathe work! Maybe your life's sole purpose is to be working during every nanosecond, but some people want to do other things as well.

This is why people should stop always using Lee and Guy as comparisons. They do that by choice, but that doesn't mean that it is necessary.

Yeah that's true but that's my point, Naruto (Bob) got this strong also because he was given power (found the dollar on the floor)

 

[chaos control]

Yeah that's true but that's my point, Naruto (Bob) got this strong also because he was given power (found the dollar on the floor)

And what is wrong with that? There is nothing wrong with one or two handouts if you generally work for your stuff like Naruto (and Bob) have.

 

[chaos control]

80-90% of bsm power is ninetails. Training or not, befriending or not. That biju never power is in naruto since day one. Doesn't change anything. Kid naruto could just go crazy, then he wouldn't been>>>>>>>kaged

Yeah, but if he went crazy and let Kurama lose then the seal would have broken and Naruto would have died. Plus, Naruto did not consciously go into rage mode. That was Kurama's influence (which was simply strengthened by Naruto's anger) that made that state come about. Therefore that doesn't even count as Naruto even using power because he technically wasn't the user. Kurama was using Naruto, not the other way around.

Also, you do know that BM/BSM is actually a fusion since the jinchuuriki and the beast melody their chakara together. Therefore it is both of their power.

Face it, Naruto worked for his power. A rage mode that kills you and that you can't even control or go into at will is not you using power.

 

[TrollKing]

Yeah, but if he went crazy and let Kurama lose then the seal would have broken and Naruto would have died. Plus, Naruto did not consciously go into rage mode. That was Kurama's influence (which was simply strengthened by Naruto's anger) that made that state come about. Therefore that doesn't even count as Naruto even using power because he technically wasn't the user. Kurama was using Naruto, not the other way around.

Also, you do know that BM/BSM is actually a fusion since the jinchuuriki and the beast melody their chakara together. Therefore it is both of their power.

Face it, Naruto worked for his power. A rage mode that kills you and that you can't even control or go into at will is not you using power.

I don't know any imperfect jin die just because they go bm, nor do I seen anywhere in manga stated so. When naruto had no control of nine tails power, that power is nine tails. When naruto has control nine tails power because of nine tails consent. It's still nine tails power. Whether he earn it or not. It's nine tails power

The reason rage mode is not his power is not because it "kills him". The reason rage mode is not his power is because its nine tails power

 

[Tobi98]

And what is wrong with that? There is nothing wrong with one or two handouts if you generally work for your stuff like Naruto (and Bob) have.

Who said that there's something wrong with that, I was just saying that Naruto isn't this strong from working hard alone, because some people think he's the one who works the hardest just from being Ashura's reincarnation

 

[iNotorious]

Probably because they think that Lee is the ultimate showing of hard work, which is wrong......Its Guy XDXDXD

Lee is still a work in progress, but back to the OT, yes Naruto worked for some of his power ups (I won't say all or most becuz somehow it seems like a blatant lie) Naruto was born the chosen one, was given the Kyuubi at birth, had Kakashi, Jaraiya, and Fusaku (toad) already lined up as future sensei, had his mom and Dad sealed inside him to help him tame the Kyuubi, and was just given power by the Sage. Being the MC Naruto was born into a very advantageous position especially compared to Lee and Guy, but regardless Naruto worked hard to get where he is at no one can deny that.

Also, KCM was earned, but BM was given shearly becuz Kurama started to like Naruto.

No one is denying that at bold.

 

[chaos control]

I don't know any imperfect jin die just because they go bm, nor do I seen anywhere in manga stated so. When naruto had no control of nine tails power, that power is nine tails. When naruto has control nine tails power because of nine tails consent. It's still nine tails power. Whether he earn it or not. It's nine tails power

You also seem to forget that if Naruto dies then Kurama dies too (temporarily, but he still does not want to die). Therefore Kurama has a responsibility to help Naruto out when necessary. Therefore it is Naruto's power. Anything that you earn, can go into at your will and is physically connected to your life force is your power.

 

[iNotorious]

You also seem to forget that if Naruto dies then Kurama dies too (temporarily, but he still does not want to die). Therefore Kurama has a responsibility to help Naruto out when necessary. Therefore it is Naruto's power. Anything that you earn, can go into at your will and is physically connected to your life force is your power.

I can't believe you're arguin with that guy.

 

[chaos control]

No one is denying that at bold.

Naruto still had to earn Kurama's trust to get BM. Therefore it was earned.