question for those 74386 people who think prime Hiruzen is overhyped

[Mitarashi]

There is no point debating Hiruzen untill he shows some feats.

 

[KingHashirama]

tired to debate but Tsunade is the same tier as Oro who barely defeated an old Hiruzen whose chakra / strength / speed / decreased

Higher then the old Oro, but same as the new oro.

 

[ShiroShonen]

A better question would be when was his hype proven to be right?

MY point exactly, we just have to wait and see

 

[N1nken]

Just read Orochimaru vs Naruto, if Orochimaru would've performed like he did in that fight, he would've stomped Hiruzen without his hands. Orochimaru was obviously toying with Hiruzen.

My point being: Hiruzen's only feats are a weak fireball technique, a Doton wall, and his Enma summon.
It's a stomp in Orochimaru's favor.

Granted his hype is overwhelming and most people may end up being dissapointed due to Kishi refusing to showcase any of his skills, the fact that Orochimaru had to wait until Hiruzen was 69 and use psychological warfare by summoning nerfed versions of his former teacher who themselves are monsters should be considered a testament to how strong he was in his prime. But instead, most people tend to underrate him. You're merely creating a battle of everything Orochimaru has shown vs what Hiruzen has shown. Yes, Orochimaru was toying with him, but he had to be prepared in order to do it. No one looks for the silver lining anymore.

Karyu Endan (which turned white-hot, mind you) and Doryuheki were B-Rank, same thing as a majority of Kakashi's techniques. But then again, anything not S-Ranked are considered "weak" by members, right? And Enma is considered a strong summon. Most people underrate him just because he's not the size of Gamabunta.

But alas, this is Naruto, where if it's not at least the size of Gamabunta or fits in your eye socket, you suck.

There is no point debating Hiruzen untill he shows some feats.

Exactly this.

 

[~Puppet Master~]

Granted his hype is overwhelming and most people may end up being dissapointed due to Kishi refusing to showcase any of his skills, the fact that Orochimaru had to wait until Hiruzen was 69 and use psychological warfare by summoning nerfed versions of his former teacher who themselves are monsters should be considered a testament to how strong he was in his prime. But instead, most people tend to underrate him. You're merely creating a battle of everything Orochimaru has shown vs what Hiruzen has shown. Yes, Orochimaru was toying with him, but he had to be prepared in order to do it. No one looks for the silver lining anymore.

Karyu Endan (which turned white-hot, mind you) and Doryuheki were B-Rank, same thing as a majority of Kakashi's techniques. But then again, anything not S-Ranked are considered "weak" by members, right? And Enma is considered a strong summon. Most people underrate him just because he's not the size of Gamabunta.

But alas, this is Naruto, where if it's not at least the size of Gamabunta or fits in your eye socket, you suck.

In front of Orochimaru, who took a direct hit from three-tailed Naruto and lost his arm, then casually swapped bodies to completely negate the damage, yes, anything B-rank is not sufficient enough.

What you're saying is completely true, in Part II ( in which Hiruzen is completely retconned ), if you're not haxxed, you're not strong. That's why most Akatsuki members all had unique abilities that already puts them above Hiruzen.

 

[Professor Finesser]

There's actually 74387 of us not 74386

 

[BestGamer]

Maybe so, but is he top 15? No.

he's top8 in his prime

 

[startup97]

Hiruzen is underrated