Question about zoro
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Marimo Swordsman
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I aggree, when did Zoro's bounty go up, as far as i remember they only have talked about Luffy's, im going back to rereading the return arc because i dont remember that happening
its seems to me u lack this so called common sense, how could they have been presumed dead when luffy went back to marine base to give the rest of the crew that message, the world government knows better than anyone else what kuma's abilities are..n they know that pw bubble thing doesnt kill em, just sends them away. so i highly doubt they were presumed dead, plus if they were presumed dead why they stil have a bounty? if zoro did get a boost in bounty i highly doubt its due to the fact his 'alive' cuz they are all danger to the gov and would also get a boost in bounty,
SR has no relevance? he doesn't pose a threat to the governemnt? thats why they sent an admiral to capture him when they discovered where he was? lol so much for common sense
what about sanji? he got a 70mil bounty on the first go..why didn he get a boost as well? remember these are guys that took down the governments cp9.
I didn't say i know for sure he got upto something, but if he did get a boost and the other members didnt the best explanation is that he was involved with some incident, plus he could travel without any issues since that girl could fly..so even if he did get noticed they wouldn now where to look for him and the last place they would chek is mihawk's island
yes i agree wiki isnt 100%, but besides the author himself, its the next best source
in the manga, neptune said zoro has 160 mil bounty on him..some say it was an error, so not sure
lol i was gona say a devil fruit that enhaces vision liek sharingan but he swam..maybe he jus lost one eye lol but it would be funny to see the sharingan since one piece n naruto are showing similar moves lol
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Sanji has a bigger bounty i believe if you check out
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it shows some of the bounties including luffy's but it doesnt show the price on zoro so i still dont know where you got the info that zoro's bounty went up
I definitly have common sense, but apparantly your common sense is just not...common, with other words it's by its very nature not common sense anymore. Also you have problems reading what I say. I suggest you start reading the manga a bit better. I never stated that the WG itself considered Luffy dead. If that was the case, there would be no need for any kind of bounty at all. I even said that they need to assume he's still alive so you didn't even read what I said in the first place. However it's a confirmed fact that the global consensus of the world was that they were dead. Your comment about "the WG knew he was still alive as he went back to Marinefored etc." is once again a sign of your lack of insight in the OP manga. The entire world knew about that, still it's a fact that the overall opinion was of the world that they were dead. Why? Because they completley disappeared from the face of the earth for 2 whole years:
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I never said that they thought they died during the war nor that Kuma killed them, that's something you made up yourself. I said that people started thinking they were dead for the simple fact they haven't shown any sign of still being alive. Tell me if your sister suddenly disappears without a trace for a short while, a normal reaction is that she might have been kidnapped and killed, let alone if she disappears for two whole years. The thought that she might have died is very plausible. Here we have one of the most infamous pirate crews of the moment and they suddenly vanished in the middle of the Grand Line.
Now if you really had common sense it would be logical to think that if Zoro actually did something, it would have been absolute proof at least one of the Strawhats was still alive and if one is alive the chance is high the others are too. After all their deaths were never confirmed, they just disappeared. So if Zoro had done something, the world wouldn't have thought anymore they were dead. In the least one of the most dangerous ones was still alive. Then people wouldn't dare to impersonate them. They only did that because they thought the real Strawhats were dead. So Zoro doing something contradicts the manga head on.
Once again read the manga very carefully. When was a marine admiral sent out to capture SR? That never happened. You just made that up. In fact it was clearly stated that they wanted to avoid SR as they already had their war with WB, Garp said himself he didn't want to take on two legends at the same time. Kizaru went to SA to capture the persons who attacked the Tenryuubito, Luffy in particular. Kizaru was even quite annoyed that he had to fight SR as he thought this would be just some kind of 'walk in the park' to pass the time and then he needs to start fighting SR, something he didn't expected. SR had indeed no relevance anymore. They didn't expect him to do anything unless he would get provoked, which was the reason as why Garp said to leave him alone. He was just an old man now. He would only pose a thread if provoked, he didn't do anything for a period of 20 years. This is all proven by the manga.
Because Sanji is still the cook. Sanji's positon is different from Luffy and Zoro's. Luffy is the captain, Zoro is the first mate. Zoro already had made a name for himself even before he became a pirate and Luffy and Zoro are both Supernova's. It also has been stated several times that he has the potential of being a captain himself. Sanji is a monster and he would be more impressive if he would have been a captain himself, however compared to Zoro and Luffy, whose bounties exceed his by far, he looks not that impressive anymore. I also have said before that Zoro was the first one outside Luffy to get a bounty. For the outside world the two primary members of the SH crew are Luffy and Zoro. So when Luffy pulled all that stuff it's reasonable to assume they also increased Zoro's bounty for the simple fact he is that man's extremely dangerous first mate.
Yes it might be possible Zoro did something, that's a normal deduction for when you get a bounty raise. However in the context of the manga it would make no sense, so then my explanation is more plausible. And your comment about Perona makes no sense either. Perona can fly, but not Zoro. She can't make other people fly, so yes they could chase Zoro and whether Zoro got caught or not makes not much difference. It matters that he got spotted. If one is spotted the chance is high the others are alive too and thus the world wouldn't think they were dead anymore, still they did. Unless it happened just after Luffy went to Marineford, but I have my doubts about that. Why would he do that?
Also Luffy highely likely gained his bounty directly after the war, so Zoro probably was given his bounty at the same time. Why? For the reasons I stated above he's Luffy's first mate and he's also the only one who had a bounty of over a 100M, with other words he was also a Supernova. He's considered a bigger threat, outside Luffy, than any of the other crew members.
One Piece wikia still lists 120M as Zoro's official bounty, but you say they also mention he did something? That's contradictory, so with other words not that credible on that matter. If Zoro didn't had any bounty raise in the first place, any reason to assume he did something is gone, which makes more sense in my opinion than in yours.
Sanji's bounty is still the same based on that picture.
Yes, but I still have some doubts whether that wasn't some kind of mistake as I said before One Piece wikia still lists 120M as his official bounty. That's contradictory as apparantly they also say he did something, so with other words it's not that credible. If Zoro didn't had any bounty raise in the first place, any reason to assume he did something is gone, which makes more sense in my opinion than in yours.
It might be very well a mistake on Oda's part. After all he also did something weird with the diameter of FI. On the other hand on the panel where they showed their bounties Zoro's was the only one who wasn't show yet, so he might have saved that on purpose for later.
u rote too much for me to even bother reading, so i'l just say this,
it didn even take luffy 2 years to get from a small country in east blue to half way across the world, do u seriousli think they were just training for those 2 years? it has even been said that luffy finished his training with SR 6 months ago, and zoro for example is A LOT more disciplined than that..and theres no way mihawk would teach him EVERYTHING he knows, hence they woulnd of needed 2 years...so it is more logical that they went on lil adventures of their own as oppose to train day and night for 2 years.
and yes as far as we know the rise isn't even confirmed but if it did, i highly doubt its b'cuz his alive
It took a year and a half for Luffy to learn Haki. He might be stupid but he's a genius when it comes to battle. Even though he did finish training earlier than expected, he didn't leave Rukshina (I don't remember what that island was called.)
The same thing can be said about Zoro but even if he did finish his training, I doubt that they can go roaming around. It will not only get him spotted but it will jeopardize the others as well. That is precisely why they decided to meet each other right before departing to fishman island.
Then I pretty much win the argument by default. You failed in countering even a single argument of mine, while I pretty much buried all yours, and have clearly shown that you lack insight in OP.
Yes they were training for 2 years, I seriously think that and everyone who reads OP clearly thinks the same. That was the freaking point of those 2 years. Didn't Luffy stayed on that island for 2 whole years? Confirmed fact. You just contradicted yourself again as Zoro is indeed more disciplined, so if Luffy already stayed put for 2 years on his island, why the hell would Zoro start causing a ruckus if even Luffy was silent? Once again you show lack of insight, you even say things that completely contradict what you just said.
Also it makes once again no sense what you're saying. Because Mihawk wouldn't teach everything he knows, it means Zoro caused a ruckus somewhere? Where's the logic in that. First and for all then you're assuming you can actually learn how to become the world's best swordsman in 2 years =/ which is already illogical to say, but you just did it. Second even if that was the case, Zoro can still train there, especially with the Humandrills. Luffy's training was also finished with Rayleigh, but he stayed on the island to train. Why would it be different for Zoro. So no it's not logical at all that they went on "lil adventures". You failed to back that up with even a single argument.
It's more logical to assume in that situation that his bounty got raised at the same time with Luffy because the threat Luffy poses increased and Zoro, being that man's First Mate and one of the 11 Supernova's, also became more notorious as a result of his captain. Gaining a bounty increase of 40M is not obtained by going on "lil adventures", for that you must have done something atrocious, which would make it clear the Strawhat Pirates are alive, still the world thought he was dead. You can't find a single argument to counter my theory, however I found several to counter yours. Then it's obvious mine has more chance of being true than yours. Never say never, it might be possible he done something, it's a manga after all, but that doesn't take way mine is more logical than yours.
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