[Discussion] Putting an end to all this! Tobi IS Izuna.

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I've had enough of all this tomfoolery, time to end this debate...

We'll start off by starting with the Rinnegan. It has been established that the Rinnegan is the final form/evolution of the Sharingan and that ONLY Madara has unlocked it - post hashirama fight. He died later on in the future (this isn't really pivotal so i'll keep it vague).

Now, Nagato had the Rinnegan but he never had the Sharingan and surely didn't have enough time, nor the sibling to create the mangekyou/EMS so it's safe to assume it was transplanted but not by Madara, no no... The original bearer of Madara's light. You see, Madara's Rinnegan eyes weren't his own, they were Izuna's and so the Rinnegan rightfully belonged to him and thus were taken from Madara and given to Nagato in order to sync himself with Gedo Mazo and once again revive Madara once the Jinchuuriki were all captured (thanks to the Akatsuki) but that failed since Nagato died and Gedo Mazo needed a new host to sync with - Sasuke Uchiha, who is nearly reached the stage to unlock the Rinnegan and fall into Tobi's trap.

Tobi did say that he wanted to use Gedo Mazo for himself but that doesn't entirely mean he wanted to use it literally for himself but for his own wishes... Tobi being Izuna perfectly explains the correlation between him, madara, the rinnegan and Nagato, also some other bits like why he used Madara's war fan and possessed Hashirama's cells.

Admittedly, there are a few problems; i.e, why he says he is a shell of his former self, or something along those lines but I believe, that Madara and Izuna kept a close relationship until the time of his departure and also explains why they share the same idea of an infinite tsukiyomi.

Once thing I'm struggling to make a connection is, If Tobi used Nagato to revive Madara, then how does Madara know Nagato... Unless Madara knew he was going to die and used Nagato to revive him in a near-perfect form, much like a second life...
 

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My only question is how did he transplant his eyes in nagato that fast with out nagato knowing because when he awakened them he watched his parents get killed and he lost it and killed the shinobi
 

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YOU cant put an end to anything. KISHI end this when he chooses to have Naruto falcon pawnch Tobi's mask off. Till that long awaited day, this is just another theory thats the same as every other one that has evidence and facts from the manga, the battle is still on















Oh yeah, and Tobi is Madara
 

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Now, Nagato had the Rinnegan but he never had the Sharingan and surely didn't have enough time, nor the sibling to create the mangekyou/EMS so it's safe to assume it was transplanted but not by Madara, no no... The original bearer of Madara's light. You see, Madara's Rinnegan eyes weren't his own, they were Izuna's and so the Rinnegan rightfully belonged to him and thus were taken from Madara and given to Nagato in order to sync himself with Gedo Mazo and once again revive Madara once the Jinchuuriki were all captured (thanks to the Akatsuki) but that failed since Nagato died and Gedo Mazo needed a new host to sync with - Sasuke Uchiha, who is nearly reached the stage to unlock the Rinnegan and fall into Tobi's trap.
Honestly you lost me at this paragraph. I read the rest but something just didn't connect with me I would love for you to explain it to me. How did the Rinnegan rightfully belong to Izuna if he stopped at MS and either willingly gave up or was forced to give up his light (MS) to give Madara eternal light.
 

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I dont see how this could end anything.

When Tobi clenched his arm in it kinda gave me the impression that Tobi must be either Izuna or Madara. Because of this I'm very slightly inclined to feel that it is Izuna. The biggest problem though, is that we know that Izuna died. There's pictures and every thing and the fact that he's supposed to be a 120 years old doesn't help either. Even the freakin databook says he died and even how he died.
 
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Boo! Boo! What is this?! Boo! *Throws tomatoes at your theory.*
continues the booingg....... boooooooo

throws a rotten tomato ....

Tobi is Obito!!!

Naa in all seriousness yes Izuna is the most logical explanation and the charachter that fits perfectly...
But still...there are loop holes... like how madara knows of nagato and for how long madara lived after the hashirama fight??
Also how did tobi come to know about naruto's birth and the weakening of the kyubi seal....when it was only known to the third and the fourth that makes the top brass of the leaf...

So for an outsider to know the exact time and place to try and get hold of the kyubi is very hazy..

whatever i think kishimoto has a lot of explaining to do as far as this tobi guy is concerned...
 

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continues the booingg....... boooooooo

throws a rotten tomato ....

Tobi is Obito!!!

Naa in all seriousness yes Izuna is the most logical explanation and the charachter that fits perfectly...
But still...there are loop holes... like how madara knows of nagato and for how long madara lived after the hashirama fight??
Also how did tobi come to know about naruto's birth and the weakening of the kyubi seal....when it was only known to the third and the fourth that makes the top brass of the leaf...

So for an outsider to know the exact time and place to try and get hold of the kyubi is very hazy..

whatever i think kishimoto has a lot of explaining to do as far as this tobi guy is concerned...

Outsider? if it's izuna, he would be no outsider and he would know quite a lot about weakenning of Kyuubi's seal.

How Madara knew about Nagato or wha did he do after the battle till his actual death is not known but it doesn't affect the ID of Tobi directally be him Izuna/kagami/Orochimaru/ramenguy?kakashi(since he is so fond of masks..).

Same for how he found about the birth of Naruto- most probably it was the conversation with Sasuke's mother. His parents were absent that day and yet his mother was in the village till she found out about Kushina.
 

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I'm confuzzled o.o When did the rinnegan become the final stage for the mangekyou sharingan? If it was the final stage...why would "Tobi" or "Izuna" have to still Nagato's? I couldn't even read the rest of the theory since that big chunk does not make sense at all xD. But everyone is right, who knows who Tobi may be. Shit he could be the freaking Sage of the Six Paths for all we know xD.
 
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