punishment for rape

[Jazzy Stardust]

its the real world. Its how I need to live, I need to keep thinking people will change. I used to think like that but I grew I realized that change will come if everyone has faith everyone shows love to those that need it

I'm sorry man but you're going to set yourself up for disappointment with that mindset. Just live your life positively and try and be an example by your actions. There's a balance in the world, for all the love you put out there's just as much hate, it can't be all love. If hate didn't exist you wouldn't even know love.

Not every criminal can be reformed that is for sure, but bringing pain onto them would only make them angry and more resistant to change. It could also psychologically impair them that there would be nothing left to save.

I watched a documentary about a Russain prison called "Black Dolphin" before. It is so terrifying that the prisoners commented on how they'd rather be dead.

The prisoner's moves were always monitored 24/7. They were only able to communicate with one other individual(their cellmate) for there was no mess hall to go to. They ate, slept, and went to the bathroom in their cells.

Albeit there was no offer to counseling, but the prison was effective without any need of violence(at least none that was shown).

The fear of pain is greater than the pain itself. The complete restriction of freedom is a very harsh punishment that would make anyone think twice about committing another crime.

Nice that sounds like something I would like to watch. My main problem though with jailing prisoners or even trying to re educate them is that it comes out of the tax payers pocket. I'm literally paying for some serial killers meal with my hard earned money. Not only that but the people in charge of the prisons make billions, and in the majority of prisons around the world they're just housing repeat offenders.

 

[Joe Black]

I find it adorable when kids lecture other kids on the true nature of the world while hundreds of women are being raped in the meantime :x3: I'm really the worst scum for saying that

 

[Lady M]

I find it adorable when kids lecture other kids on the true nature of the world while hundreds of women are being raped in the meantime :x3: I'm really the worst scum for saying that

Reality sucks, but it's the truth. *shrugs*

 

[Tennis Robot]

Then you're a fool. Human's are flawed in nature and so it is not possible to create a perfect method.

What could be considered a masterpiece by one will be known as a tragedy by another. Some things just don't apply to all individuals, just like your theory.

I didn't say that people weren't flawed. This is the wrong context to address it in anyway. I can't explain it to you if we are just talking about philosophy. Because it isn't the same for everyone. That's why I know it works.

 

[Lightbringer]

Nice that sounds like something I would like to watch. My main problem with jailing prisoners or even trying to re educate them is that it comes out of the tax payers pocket. I'm literally paying for some serial killers meal with my hard earned money.

Well it's actually statistically proven that it costs more money to kill these individuals than to imprison them as it is.

God forbid an innocent man found guilty is subjugated to punishment(an eye for an eye) for the crimes of another individual. How would we justify that?

 

[Lightbringer]

I didn't say that people weren't flawed. This is the wrong context to address it in anyway. I can't explain it to you if we are just talking about philosophy. Because it isn't the same for everyone.

Well if you can't explain it to me, then how will you explain it to the people you're trying to help?

 

[Lady M]

That's what I was looking for, I thought you were willing to forgive anyone. Fair enough

Oh no I forgive the actions of the mentally disturbed, but never would I say they should be released from prison. They are just as dangerous.

 

[Tennis Robot]

Well if you can't explain it to me, then how will you explain it to the people you're trying to help?

I can and I have. It just isn't something that I can do in this conversation.

 

[Lightbringer]

I can and I have. It just isn't something that I can do in this conversation.

So obviously your method is just as flawed as any other.

Let's pretend the discussions of this thread were with people you were trying to reform. You can see that many people were against what you said and you failed to convince them otherwise.

So based on that, how would you expect your theory to be any better if the success rate demonstrated within this thread was low?

Keep in mind that you were also talking to law-abiding citizens who are sane(hopefully) and not criminals who threw away their humanity. How much better do you think you'd fair with them?

 

[Jazzy Stardust]

Well it's actually statistically proven that it costs more money to kill these individuals than to imprison them as it is.

God forbid an innocent man found guilty is subjugated to punishment(an eye for an eye) for the crimes of another individual. How would we justify that?

That's what I'm saying, can't you see? The whole prison system is just a cash cow, nothing more. It's only a lot to kill a prisoner because the owner of the facility wants it that way. It wasn't always expensive to kill prisoners, it's just landlords are greedy. Also the majority of prisons aren't filled with murders everyone doesn't need to be killed.

For the innocent tried guilty it would be another case, but the whole system would have to be revamped in order for this to work.

 

[Basstyle1]

Well I believe in rotting in a jail cell but make it where they are isolated from the world. All that time by yourself with no one to talk while soon you could end up going mad...that would be acceptable. Or just the death sentence.

 

[Tennis Robot]

So obviously your method is just as flawed as any other.

Let's pretend the discussions of this thread were with people you were trying to reform. You can see that many people were against what you said and you failed to convince them otherwise.

So based on that, how would you expect your theory to be any better if the success rate demonstrated within this thread was low?

Keep in mind that you were also talking to law-abiding citizens who are sane(hopefully) and not criminals who threw away their humanity. How much better do you think you'd fair with them?

You're looking at it the wrong way. Don't concern yourself with anyone else right now.

 

[Lightbringer]

That's what I'm saying, can't you see? The whole prison system is just a cash cow, nothing more. It's only a lot to kill a prisoner because the owner of the facility wants it that way. It wasn't always expensive to kill prisoners, it's just landlords are greedy. Also the majority of prisons aren't filled with murders everyone doesn't need to be killed.

For the innocent tried guilty it would be another case, but the whole system would have to be revamped in order for this to work.

It's actually because in order to kill criminals we usually perform lethal injections(the most humane way to end a life). Those materials are expensive.

Then we would have judges and personnel review the cases and have hearings that may last a few days or months. It's a long process which requires a lot of individuals to make sure everything goes smoothly.

It'd take a long time and a lot of resources to put every murderer to death which would end up costing a lot more than just maintenance and food.

Back then, we just used to hang people or chop off their head. The court hearings were also laxed which lead to many innocent deaths. I don't think many would agree for that to be a viable option nowadays.

 

[Lightbringer]

You're looking at it the wrong way. Don't concern yourself with anyone else right now.

Convince me otherwise then. Pretend you're trying to reform me by making me believe in what you say.

 

[Tennis Robot]

Convince me otherwise then. Pretend you're trying to reform me by making me believe in what you say.

I'm sorry, but that just isn't how it works. I think I need to stop for now. I feel bad again. Sorry

 

[Punk Hazard]

let's say , a man committed a crime against your family, left you guys broken maybe even someone dead. Completely damaged what you built up for years and years.

You would just want them to be thrown in jail? Is that all it would take for you to get a bit of closure?

If it were me ,I'd make him suffer just like how he made us suffer. I don't see anything wrong with it since he went out of his way to risk what he had to destroy us then he might as well come down with us and suffer .

What I want doesn't matter, what matters is what's right. Just because I want him dead doesn't make it's okay to kill him.

Someone wanted to rape someone, does that make it okay?

Someone bumped me in the hallway, so I want to punch him, would that be okay?

If you made him suffer, then you are no better than him.

 

[Rekudakune]

a punishment for rape should be getting raped!!! by a barbed wire dildo

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

I'm sorry, but that just isn't how it works. I think I need to stop for now. I feel bad again. Sorry

Bad for what? We're just having a discussion. Nothing to feel bad about.

 

[Tennis Robot]

Bad for what? We're just having a discussion. Nothing to feel bad about.

It's like bad to the point of sickness. Never felt it before. I can't **** this up.

 

[Jazzy Stardust]

It's actually because in order to kill criminals we usually perform lethal injections(the most humane way to end a life). Those materials are expensive.

Then we would have judges and personnel review the cases and have hearings that may last a few days or months. It's a long process which requires a lot of individuals to make sure everything goes smoothly.

Back then, we just used to hang people or chop off their head. The court hearings were also laxed which lead to many innocent deaths. I don't think many would agree for that to be a viable option nowadays.

Well personally I don't believe there is a humane way to end a life, anyway you approach it the outcome is the same. Putting a bullet in someone's heart is a quick and easy way to end a life. They make it difficult to make more money.

I don't think public executions or any of that is needed going backwards isn't good. But we can also learn from those times, less crimes were committed because of the harsh punishments. It's was just the lazy system that led to innocent deaths like you said, but the system is still lazy if not even more since they actually make money off of sending people to jail. It would have to be revamped though like I said, lengthier processes but I think overall it would work better.