pt1 gaara>>>> tsunade

[TheTailedSage]

There's a lot wrong here.
Also tsanade easily penetrates the sand with her finger and goes right through to gaara.

Ot: tsunade clearly wins this low diff.

So since when is her finger sephiroth katana length?? that's assuming its penetrates the thickeness

 

[AGoodBoy]

So since when is her finger sephiroth katana length?? that's assuming its penetrates the thickeness

Doesn't need to be. Her strength simple pushes her entire arm all the way through until she reaches gaara and it's over.

 

[TheTailedSage]

Doesn't need to be. Her strength simple pushes her entire arm all the way through until she reaches gaara and it's over.

Ive heard it all now LOOOL you Tsunade fappers have finally found an idiotic counter


If she does get her finger through gaara increases the density thus crushing Tsunades finger. If she were to get her arm through it would go though extremely slow due to sand density so IF she does manages to even get her finger through. HE crushes her finger exactly what he done to lee's leg.

And you also forget he controls sand in abundance so while she's trying to penertrate it, he attacks her with sand from other directions

Using your fanfic idea of how she bybasses, sand armour makes her look stupid.

Do not wish to debate this any further

 

[AGoodBoy]

Ive heard it all now LOOOL you Tsunade fappers have finally found an idiotic counter


If she does get her finger through gaara increases the density thus crushing Tsunades finger. If she were to get her arm through it would go though extremely slow due to sand density so IF she does manages to even get her finger through. HE crushes her finger exactly what he done to lee's leg.

And you also forget he controls sand in abundance so while she's trying to penertrate it, he attacks her with sand from other directions

Using your fanfic idea of how she bybasses, sand armour makes her look stupid.

Do not wish to debate this any further

Anytime I defend any character I'm suddenly a fapper... Wow. Apparently I fap every naruto character according to this logic... That's one bad argument.

Anyway, Lee was able to punch and kick through gaara's sand. Tsunade's finger is more penetrative(large force/small area) and she has more power than lee. Can you counter that? No. So, who's the fapper here? exactly.

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If you do decide to continue, there are plenty more scans proving why tsunade wins low diff.

 

[TheTailedSage]

Anytime I defend any character I'm suddenly a fapper... Wow. Apparently I fap every naruto character according to this logic... That's one bad argument.

Anyway, Lee was able to punch and kick through gaara's sand. Tsunade's finger is more penetrative(large force/small area) and she has more power than lee. Can you counter that? No. So, who's the fapper here? exactly.

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If you do decide to continue, there are plenty more scans proving why tsunade wins low diff.

Whenever its tsunade i find certain people make things up so the character they defend, win.

go a couple pages before or after and you will realise he had a speed increase due to weights being off , resulting in Gaara not able to increase the density enough to fully defend from his blows. Before the speed increase Lees attacks wasnt even remotely devistating his sand shield

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And as said in the last scan, his speed wasn't even devastating gaara.

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Here it statesall physical moves are useless on Gaara and the hype has yet to be disproved unless its elemental e.g. chidori. A punch or a finger has never been shown to break through his defense. If your suggesting Tsunade is as fast as lee without weights then you will need explicit proof

 

[AGoodBoy]

Whenever its tsunade i find certain people make things up so the character they defend, win.

go a couple pages before or after and you will realise he had a speed increase due to weights being off , resulting in Gaara not able to increase the density enough to fully defend from his blows. Before the speed increase Lees attacks wasnt even remotely devistating his sand shield

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And as said in the last scan, his speed wasn't even devastating gaara.

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Here it statesall physical moves are useless on Gaara and thye hype has yet to be disproved unless its elemental e.g. chidori. A punch or a finger has never been shown to break through his defense. If your suggesting Tsunade is as fast as lee without weights then you will need implicit proof

Speed doesn't matter.

Power = fv
You can increase Power by increasing speeD(lee) or increasing force(tsunade).

Tsunade's leagues stronger than lee. Lee's already proved you can punch through the sand.
Kimi porved you can brute through even a thicker amount.

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Guy proved you can smack incoming sand away with enough power

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Tsunade can essentially replicate the penetrative force of a nukite with her finger(in certain situations). Instead of using raiton to make her finger sharp, she just uses more power to push it through with brute force (off course it won't be as effective in all situations).

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Tsunade's a bad matchup for gaara in general. This is a low diff fight.
Tsunade has the power to replicate guy in kimimaro, therefore she's penetrating the sand. It's not a question of if, it's a question of when.

As to the sand shield part. That drains massive chakra, so even if you were to argue tsunade can't break it(which wouldn't make sense), gaara's chakra would just drain extremely fast.

 

[TheTailedSage]

Speed doesn't matter.

Power = fv
You can increase Power by increasing speeD(lee) or increasing force(tsunade).

Tsunade's leagues stronger than lee. Lee's already proved you can punch through the sand.
Kimi porved you can brute through even a thicker amount.

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Guy proved you can smack incoming sand away with enough power

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Tsunade can essentially replicate the penetrative force of a nukite with her finger(in certain situations). Instead of using raiton to make her finger sharp, she just uses more power to push it through with brute force (off course it won't be as effective in all situations).

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Tsunade's a bad matchup for gaara in general. This is a low diff fight.
Tsunade has the power to replicate guy in kimimaro, therefore she's penetrating the sand. It's not a question of if, it's a question of when.

As to the sand shield part. That drains massive chakra, so even if you were to argue tsunade can't break it(which wouldn't make sense), gaara's chakra would just drain extremely fast.

Well it clearly does matter because like i have said no one has gotten through gaaras defence with a impact based move with just power alone. Kimmimaro used bone piercing attack hence why he was able to penetrate it AND the bones were long enough to do the job. again SAND ABSORBS IMPACT so powering up her blows is irrelevant

Lee has proved that with speed you cna bypass the shield
Kimmi proved that piercing attacks can go through with the right length and force

If you think she's smacking a sand tsunami or funeral away then your in for a rude awakening

Tsuande doesn't have raiton i refuse to go through this debate again because there isn't enough evidence that she can indeed use it. Even your beloved data book said its presumptions. so don't use this to back your statements up. You think she's the 3rd raikage??

All your argument is based on her finger and i may add its a weak argument since she hasn't any chance in hell in breaking his defence with her finger. The ground is brittle his sand has flexible properties hence why her attacks wont work.

Low diff my ass

 

[Jack Spicer]

That is a retarded thought.

 

[AGoodBoy]

Well it clearly does matter because like i have said no one has gotten through gaaras defence with a impact based move with just power alone. Kimmimaro used bone piercing attack hence why he was able to penetrate it AND the bones were long enough to do the job. again SAND ABSORBS IMPACT so powering up her blows is irrelevant

Lee has proved that with speed you cna bypass the shield
Kimmi proved that piercing attacks can go through with the right length and force

If you think she's smacking a sand tsunami or funeral away then your in for a rude awakening

Tsuande doesn't have raiton i refuse to go through this debate again because there isn't enough evidence that she can indeed use it. Even your beloved data book said its presumptions. so don't use this to back your statements up. You think she's the 3rd raikage??

All your argument is based on her finger and i may add its a weak argument since she hasn't any chance in hell in breaking his defence with her finger. The ground is brittle his sand has flexible properties hence why her attacks wont work.

Low diff my ass

You do realise that Rock lee was in base when he did that right? He was at standard Jounin speeds. Every single jounin in the room could see him properly with the unaided eye. Rock lee wasn't even in first gate at that point.
The problem is, to genins, speeds like that are blinding because they're not used to it. It's the same way kakashi looks so quick to team 7 when they were training, but he's not that fast to the other average jounin. In fact, even

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to team 7.

The point is, Lee wasn't even that fast at that point. His base, unweighted speed, is literally listed as a 4 in the DB. That's just .5 above tsunade. Speed doesn't cause penetration. Penetration causes penetration.

Kimi also

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through the sand.

This is a low diff fight.

*PS: My arguments are based on her finger because that's all that's necessary. Thinking P1 gaara's sand could tank a punch anywhere near

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magnitude, or a kick like

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is borderline ridiculous.

 

[BlackFlame44]

Tsunade wins this low-mid

 

[Inert Brian]

Agreed with AGoodBoy.

Force = Power * Speed.

Tsunade has decent speed (enough to evade enemy attacks) + the strongest punches/kicks in all of Naruto.

Who broke Madara's Susano'o when Sasuke claimed susano'o (skull form) was better than Gaara's ultimate defense? Tsunade.

^ This settles the whole: Tsunade getting through Gaara's sand.

If she's breaking susano'o, then your a fan boy if you think she's not breaking sand.

 

[TheTailedSage]

You do realise that Rock lee was in base when he did that right? He was at standard Jounin speeds. Every single jounin in the room could see him properly with the unaided eye. Rock lee wasn't even in first gate at that point.
The problem is, to genins, speeds like that are blinding because they're not used to it. It's the same way kakashi looks so quick to team 7 when they were training, but he's not that fast to the other average jounin. In fact, even

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, had

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to team 7.

The point is, Lee wasn't even that fast at that point. His base, unweighted speed, is literally listed as a 4 in the DB. That's just .5 above tsunade. Speed doesn't cause penetration. Penetration causes penetration.

Kimi also

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through the sand.

This is a low diff fight.

*PS: My arguments are based on her finger because that's all that's necessary. Thinking P1 gaara's sand could tank a punch anywhere near

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magnitude, or a kick like

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is borderline ridiculous.

I dont see your point, seeing something and reacting to it are two different things. The main fact here is that Tsunade hasn't got the speed to bypass it that is what this is about the fact that every jounin was able to see Lee is irrelevant.

Are you trying to insult my intelligence?? It was because of Lee's speed is why he was able to bypass it, stop being so difficult, ive shown you the manga pages, She can not penetrate the sand, with little evidence you have in the fact that all she needs is a finger when i have already said the ground is brittle and the sand is free flowing thus it being able to replenish if it is damaged in some way.

Using the scan you provided on Kimmi can you not see he used the bones emitted from his body to help him escape?? keeping in mind his KKG gives him immense durability.

If you think she's no diffing gaara then your deluded and its you who also needs to look over the properties of "sand"

Agreed with AGoodBoy.

Force = Power * Speed.

Tsunade has decent speed (enough to evade enemy attacks) + the strongest punches/kicks in all of Naruto.

Who broke Madara's Susano'o when Sasuke claimed susano'o (skull form) was better than Gaara's ultimate defense? Tsunade.

^ This settles the whole: Tsunade getting through Gaara's sand.

If she's breaking susano'o, then your a fan boy if you think she's not breaking sand.

LOOL you cant break sand xD cba to explain so read this:

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[Inert Brian]

LOOL you cant break sand xD cba to explain so read this:

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Is that why Kimimaro broke through the sand and attacked Gaara? Tsunade's strength feats put her above Kimimaro by a long shot.


Also I read your thread. You're forgetting Gaara tanked Deidara's explosive in the desert where sand is limitless and he can gather a larger amount instantly. Deidara's explosive isn't a concentrated attack. While punches and kicks are.

Oh and Yasaka Magtama would've broken through if it weren't for Oonoki's golem.

I should also just add Katsuyu can use acid on the sand. The sand can absorb the acid, causing it to become heavy. Makes the sand that much slower.

 

[TheTailedSage]

Is that why Kimimaro broke through the sand and attacked Gaara?

With sharp edged bone not a punch which is based upon impact

 

[Inert Brian]

With sharp edged bone not a punch which is based upon impact

How is the sharp edged bone not based on impact? What would you call that then? Piercing the sand?

 

[TheTailedSage]

How is the sharp edged bone not based on impact? What would you call that then? Piercing the sand?

a piercing attack, its quite obvious what it is. If you read the link i sent you, you should now understand about Gaaras sand

 

[Forbidden Technique]

Smh Lol, Part one Gaara doesn't stand a chance against Tsunade. Once again, she is being grossly underrated. She'll be able to withstand any sand attack Gaara throws at her; and break out of any sand prison even easier then Kimmimaru did. If she gets trapped in a sand burial, she can simply summon Katsuyu which would ascend her right out of the sand. And part one Gaara wasn't an aerial fighter, but being able to go airborne means nothing if he can't outlast Tsunade.

Tsunade smashes right through Gaaras sand defenses and finishes him off quite easily.

Now if Gaara transforms into the Ichibi; that's a whole different story.

 

[AGoodBoy]

I dont see your point, seeing something and reacting to it are two different things. The main fact here is that Tsunade hasn't got the speed to bypass it that is what this is about the fact that every jounin was able to see Lee is irrelevant.

Are you trying to insult my intelligence?? It was because of Lee's speed is why he was able to bypass it, stop being so difficult, ive shown you the manga pages, She can not penetrate the sand, with little evidence you have in the fact that all she needs is a finger when i have already said the ground is brittle and the sand is free flowing thus it being able to replenish if it is damaged in some way.

Using the scan you provided on Kimmi can you not see he used the bones emitted from his body to help him escape?? keeping in mind his KKG gives him immense durability.

If you think she's no diffing gaara then your deluded and its you who also needs to look over the properties of "sand"

-Sigh-... You're one of those guys who just deny facts because you hate a character and bring no evidence to counter...
I'm not here to hand you my thesis and have you critic it. if you won't give a refuting argument that states why what I'm saying is wrong, and why you're right, then there's no point in this.

tsunade wins low diff. I have no idea how strong you think P1 gaara is.

With sharp edged bone not a punch which is based upon impact

A finger is a sharper point than the bone kimi used.
Just stop...

 

[Curse Mark]

The underestimation of Tsuna is strong in you. You know she could dodge attacks

(': You bring tears to my eyes

Katsuyu plus her jumping could reach Gaara. Her acid can travel far distances plus when Gaara sand turns solid it is easily breakable

Literally both claims you made were baseless.

Speed doesn't matter.

Power = fv
You can increase Power by increasing speeD(lee) or increasing force(tsunade).

Tsunade's leagues stronger than lee. Lee's already proved you can punch through the sand.
Kimi porved you can brute through even a thicker amount.

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Guy proved you can smack incoming sand away with enough power

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Tsunade can essentially replicate the penetrative force of a nukite with her finger(in certain situations). Instead of using raiton to make her finger sharp, she just uses more power to push it through with brute force (off course it won't be as effective in all situations).

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Tsunade's a bad matchup for gaara in general. This is a low diff fight.
Tsunade has the power to replicate guy in kimimaro, therefore she's penetrating the sand. It's not a question of if, it's a question of when.

As to the sand shield part. That drains massive chakra, so even if you were to argue tsunade can't break it(which wouldn't make sense), gaara's chakra would just drain extremely fast.

Wish so much that i was here sooner to counter this before TTS

How is the sharp edged bone not based on impact? What would you call that then? Piercing the sand?

Thanks for answering your own obvious question..

A finger is a sharper point than the bone kimi used.
Just stop...

You must be joking...

 

[Prince Charles]

Tsunade wins low diff? lol what? Part 1 gaara is OP as fuk, he takes this mid diff at best.