Hi. I decided today to discuss about the power of perfect susanoo, what are it's limits, what bijuu does it equal, or does it surpass them all? I'm doing this for the second time now, but with some changes.
And 1st: I'M NOT talking about size, neither am iItalking about the outcome of a battle, I'm talking about DESTRUCTIVE POWER. Pay attention.
Another thing: I'm using madara's PS with the feats we've seen. I can't consider something I didn't see. I am not kishi, I can't predict the future feats.
At last: Don't reply if you: didn't read, don't have evidence or arguments to back up your opinion.
We are all aware of it's feats and the statement made by madara.
"Only the bijuu have a power comparable to this", or, in other translations, "A power that rivals the bijuu's". Madara means that his PS so much power that only the bijuus can compete with it. This doesn't mean that PS= All bijuus, nor it means that PS=1 Bijuu. It means that PS can face bijuu, we don't know exactly what are the bijuus it can face or if it can face some bijuus together.
So, now, to destruction feats. In the scan above, madara is showneasily destroying mountains with a slash of the PS. Very powerful indeed, living up to his statement. This is the power of the bijuus:
And this is another feat of the PS(covering kurama), slashing more mountains:
As I said, very powerful. With the feats we've seen, I suppose it's safe to say that the PS surpasses the hachibi and the other bijuus. However, there is an extremelly powerful bijuu, quite more powerful than the others, kurama.
We saw that 50% kurama(with jin) is powerful enough to face and outcome 5 bijuus:
Now, I'm putting as "spoiler" the following part, because it is kind of big. But please, read it.
Naruto BM's bijuu dama can do half of what that explosion did(I'm disconsidering possible loss of energy due to the impact of the bijuu damas and the energy lost in the motion), powerful enough to obliterate some moutains.
Again, I suppose it's safe to say that PS can rival 50% kurama with jin.
But what about 100% kurama? I don't think so, as we don't have many of it's feats, but we have a little bit of evidence to say that, I'll show it here.
Hashirama, some chapters ago, was keeping up with madara's PS using the mokuton goubi no jutsu. Also, in the past, hashi's goubi was able to hold madara's PS slash. So, it's safe to say that mokuton goubi can rival the PS.( Hashirama was in SM, ot might be a senpou goubi, but let's remember that his edo tensei is ALMOST at full power, and madara's PS is more powerful than it was in the past, thanks to the rinnegan and to the senju cells giving him a little boost)
However, what about the goubi vs kurama? Let's see:
Here, madara says "the mokuton goubi no jutsu, to fight against beasts?" What does this mean? It most likely means that madara is criticizing the fact that the goubi can't take a fight against that bijuu. What bijuu? 100% kurama, of course.
Now, some of you might say that "oh, but it's kurama with PS". True indeed, but let's see what took the goubi down:
Here it is shown that the goubi started to colapse after the explosion, The explosion was a result of the bijuu dama used by 100% kurama. Of course, the goubi wasn't made for tanking, but we saw that it can hold madara's PS and it's slash(with kurama)
Also, the goubi withstood madara's PS in here:
He took it, but stood, as shown later in battle, here:
With this, I want to conclude that the PS(madara's EMS PS, at least) is at least as powerful as 50% kurama with jin, probably even above but it's not in 100% kurama's lvl. It's likely to be close, but not as powerful.
As another conclusion, sasuke, who has the potential to one day, surpass madara, may achieve a PS that rivals 100% kurama. But so far, it's PS was just awakened, so it has, in the best case scenario, the power of madara's EMS PS.
Maybe, even weaker, as even the size it's just half as madara's size. So, sasuke's PS would be at best, in the same lvl as 50% kurama with jin.
Again: I am NOT saying that 100% kurama beats madara or PS, I'm checking the destructive power, not the outcome of the battle, so don't answer as if I were saying that. I am also not comparing their sizes, the only time I talked about size was about sasuke's PS, and only that. When it's about kurama, when it's about goubi, in none of these parts I cared about size.
And again: Only reply if you read it, all the parts are connected, none stand alone. So please, take your time.
Thanks for the attention guys Let's keep a healthy discussion. If you're going to state something, gather some evidence or explanation to your idea. Sorry for the long post, thanks again.
And 1st: I'M NOT talking about size, neither am iItalking about the outcome of a battle, I'm talking about DESTRUCTIVE POWER. Pay attention.
Another thing: I'm using madara's PS with the feats we've seen. I can't consider something I didn't see. I am not kishi, I can't predict the future feats.
At last: Don't reply if you: didn't read, don't have evidence or arguments to back up your opinion.
We are all aware of it's feats and the statement made by madara.
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"Only the bijuu have a power comparable to this", or, in other translations, "A power that rivals the bijuu's". Madara means that his PS so much power that only the bijuus can compete with it. This doesn't mean that PS= All bijuus, nor it means that PS=1 Bijuu. It means that PS can face bijuu, we don't know exactly what are the bijuus it can face or if it can face some bijuus together.
So, now, to destruction feats. In the scan above, madara is showneasily destroying mountains with a slash of the PS. Very powerful indeed, living up to his statement. This is the power of the bijuus:
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And this is another feat of the PS(covering kurama), slashing more mountains:
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As I said, very powerful. With the feats we've seen, I suppose it's safe to say that the PS surpasses the hachibi and the other bijuus. However, there is an extremelly powerful bijuu, quite more powerful than the others, kurama.
We saw that 50% kurama(with jin) is powerful enough to face and outcome 5 bijuus:
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Now, I'm putting as "spoiler" the following part, because it is kind of big. But please, read it.
We know that the mountains destroyed by the PS are a result of the air pressure. However. that air pressure is a direct result of the force made by the slash. Now, the slash. The force that madara uses to the slash is a direct result of the speed madara moves the sword. the mass of the arm and sword. That's because force of impact: F=I/t and I=Q-Q0, and as madara was not moving before, Q0=0 and Q= m.v. Now, considering the conservation of momentum, and as the air moved doesn't have as much mass as the susanoo, it reaches great speeds, which is why the air reached the mountais almost instantly. Now, disconsidering the loss of energy due to the friction of the sword with the air, and during the movement of the air(after all, it was fast, that's why I am disconsidering it), the force of impact of the air it's Q/t, and as Qair almost= Qsusanoo slash, so does the time the susanoo pushes the air compared to the time the air "pushes" the mountais, we can say that the force of impact made in the end it's almost as equal as if madara was hitting it directly. Of course, madara hitting it directly would be stronger, I know, but not hat much stronger.
So that's why I using this feat.
And for any chakra projectile. Considering that the energy necessary for the force is W=F.d.cos a, and cosa=1, we know that madara used an amount of energy to that. Remember: chakra is internal energy(physical+spiritual)
Now: As the ranged atacks are made by chakra projectiles, they could result on a force of impact close to the slash, as the user of the PS uses an amount of energy to move the sword as fast as possible. So, it's the same user, the user has the same energy. If he uses the same amount of energy in a projectile, and the same energy to throw it, that would result in a force of impace almost equal to the the impact of the slash. If it is an explosive projectile, the only impact would be of the explosion, so the momentum and the force of impace just of the mass of the projectile wouldn't be considered in the damage of the atack, as they explode.
So that's why I using this feat.
And for any chakra projectile. Considering that the energy necessary for the force is W=F.d.cos a, and cosa=1, we know that madara used an amount of energy to that. Remember: chakra is internal energy(physical+spiritual)
Now: As the ranged atacks are made by chakra projectiles, they could result on a force of impact close to the slash, as the user of the PS uses an amount of energy to move the sword as fast as possible. So, it's the same user, the user has the same energy. If he uses the same amount of energy in a projectile, and the same energy to throw it, that would result in a force of impace almost equal to the the impact of the slash. If it is an explosive projectile, the only impact would be of the explosion, so the momentum and the force of impace just of the mass of the projectile wouldn't be considered in the damage of the atack, as they explode.
Naruto BM's bijuu dama can do half of what that explosion did(I'm disconsidering possible loss of energy due to the impact of the bijuu damas and the energy lost in the motion), powerful enough to obliterate some moutains.
Again, I suppose it's safe to say that PS can rival 50% kurama with jin.
But what about 100% kurama? I don't think so, as we don't have many of it's feats, but we have a little bit of evidence to say that, I'll show it here.
Hashirama, some chapters ago, was keeping up with madara's PS using the mokuton goubi no jutsu. Also, in the past, hashi's goubi was able to hold madara's PS slash. So, it's safe to say that mokuton goubi can rival the PS.( Hashirama was in SM, ot might be a senpou goubi, but let's remember that his edo tensei is ALMOST at full power, and madara's PS is more powerful than it was in the past, thanks to the rinnegan and to the senju cells giving him a little boost)
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However, what about the goubi vs kurama? Let's see:
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Here, madara says "the mokuton goubi no jutsu, to fight against beasts?" What does this mean? It most likely means that madara is criticizing the fact that the goubi can't take a fight against that bijuu. What bijuu? 100% kurama, of course.
Now, some of you might say that "oh, but it's kurama with PS". True indeed, but let's see what took the goubi down:
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Here it is shown that the goubi started to colapse after the explosion, The explosion was a result of the bijuu dama used by 100% kurama. Of course, the goubi wasn't made for tanking, but we saw that it can hold madara's PS and it's slash(with kurama)
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Also, the goubi withstood madara's PS in here:
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He took it, but stood, as shown later in battle, here:
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With this, I want to conclude that the PS(madara's EMS PS, at least) is at least as powerful as 50% kurama with jin, probably even above but it's not in 100% kurama's lvl. It's likely to be close, but not as powerful.
As another conclusion, sasuke, who has the potential to one day, surpass madara, may achieve a PS that rivals 100% kurama. But so far, it's PS was just awakened, so it has, in the best case scenario, the power of madara's EMS PS.
Maybe, even weaker, as even the size it's just half as madara's size. So, sasuke's PS would be at best, in the same lvl as 50% kurama with jin.
Again: I am NOT saying that 100% kurama beats madara or PS, I'm checking the destructive power, not the outcome of the battle, so don't answer as if I were saying that. I am also not comparing their sizes, the only time I talked about size was about sasuke's PS, and only that. When it's about kurama, when it's about goubi, in none of these parts I cared about size.
And again: Only reply if you read it, all the parts are connected, none stand alone. So please, take your time.
Thanks for the attention guys Let's keep a healthy discussion. If you're going to state something, gather some evidence or explanation to your idea. Sorry for the long post, thanks again.
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