Provision of Defense of Marriage Act Removed by Supreme Court:

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, where, to those that apply, married homosexual couples now receive both the benefits (and detriments, pffhffhff) of the average married couple: tax, health and pension benefits that were once denied to them previously.



Things to consider:

1. States will still have the power to enact their own laws regarding Gay Marriage. This change of the provision only affects homosexual couples who are already married prior.

2. The key player was 84-year old Edith Winsor, who lived in New York, which recognized same-*** marriage certificates from other countries. However, the Federal government DIDN'T recognize it, thus did not gain the benefits of a married couple, even though they were. They had to pay a much higher estate tax than recognized married couples. They were unequal to everyone else who were part of a couple.

I feel something. Something warm and fuzzy in my heart. It feels like tolerance and progression of the human legacy.
 
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I feel something. Something warm and fuzzy in my heart. It feels like tolerance and progression of the human legacy.
Strange. I simply ask myself: "Why is the federal government taxing the population, directly? Why are taxes different for an individual versus a couple?"

You measure the progress in society based on the laws it uses to restrict itself.

I measure the progress in society based on whether or not a law is (believed) necessary.

You and I will end up killing each other, one day.
 

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Strange. I simply ask myself: "Why is the federal government taxing the population, directly? Why are taxes different for an individual versus a couple?"
This revised provision is equalizing the benefits given to couples: now they are for both heterosexual and homosexual married couples.

The matter of whether or not benefits for couples are fair in regards to the population as a whole is not part of this discussion, only how the benefits are no longer given exclusively to heterosexual couples.

You measure the progress in society based on the laws it uses to restrict itself.
I measure the progress in society based on how socially-liberating it is to the people and how scientifically-acknowledged the sovereign is prepared.

I measure the progress in society based on whether or not a law is (believed) necessary.
I also believe this revised provision is necessary, as it equalizes couples by giving them the same benefits. You must have misconstrued my words.

You and I will end up killing each other, one day.
That's rather rude, don't you think?
 

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This tells you just how much more the world is gunna get back and the lack of morality we are on... whats next Men marrying little boys or Women marrying little girls... its just corrupted
 

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This tells you just how much more the world is gunna get back and the lack of morality we are on
Socially-liberating homosexuals in society is PROGRESSING our morality. We are finally taking steps to give them the equality they deserve.

whats next Men marrying little boys or Women marrying little girls... its just corrupted
This is a Slippery Slope Fallacy, the falsehood where one thing leads to another, which ultimately results in something completely different from the original.

This is 100% wrong; stop believing so.
 
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This revised provision is equalizing the benefits given to couples: now they are for both heterosexual and homosexual married couples.
Good news. Lube is now available for all couples.

The matter of whether or not benefits for couples are fair in regards to the population as a whole is not part of this discussion, only how the benefits are no longer given exclusively to heterosexual couples.
Tax status is part of this conversation.

You're just trying to keep it limited to a discussion about sexuality so that you can feel superior to other people when they decide to say that they don't like queers.

I measure the progress in society based on how socially-liberating it is to the people and how scientifically-acknowledged the sovereign is prepared.
How can a society be socially liberating toward the people?

It -is- the people.

You're equating government and society. A common thing amongst the "socially liberated."

I also believe this revised provision is necessary, as it equalizes couples by giving them the same benefits. You must have misconstrued my words.
It does not give them benefits. It reclassifies them under the same set of financial consequences for choosing to reside in this nation.

It's a subtle difference in perspective, but very important.

That's rather rude, don't you think?
It's a fact of life.

You have been born and raised as a collectivist. It would not surprise me the collectivist mentality is becoming a trait of genetic expression, as well (a branching evolution towards a sort of hive-mind).

It's only natural that as the collective seeks to expand those opposed to the policies of that collective will clash with it. I don't hate you. It's simply a fact of life and something that will come to pass, given time. Such is the nature of the universe.

Preferably, I'd have a system of self-sustaining orbital habitats to transfer to. Path of least resistance - why fight when you can survive?

But it's not likely I will have such an ability when the time comes. Which is unfortunate for both of us.
 

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This tells you just how much more the world is gunna get back and the lack of morality we are on... whats next Men marrying little boys or Women marrying little girls... its just corrupted
I'm not trying to be intolerant, but people do need to recognize that there's no human progression if gay marriage were to become the ONLY type of marriage, and later sexing. And before you say that egg donation stuff, that's literally the worse future I've heard of.
 

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people like you who support this are, are no different than those who are practicing it. devil is inside of you, you need to give your heart to jesus. not live in lies of what this sinful society wants you to accept. queers go to hell. lovers of their own flesh disown their god command.
Obviously, same-*** partnership is not supposed to 'work' or "be the way things should be."

Honestly, I don't think homosexuality is 'right' and I feel it is a disservice to both people in a homosexual relationship.

That said... it is not given to us to judge someone's soul. The idea that we can know who will and will not be part of heaven, and that we should be seeking to find matters of exclusion is the antichrist working within the church.

What happens if you're wrong? If the gay couple are invited into Heaven? Are you going to try to cast them out? Are you going to remove yourself from the community?

That's precisely the goal of 'the devil.' To find ways to make us seek spiritual exclusion from each other - to find ways of making us think we are able to be God... so that when we do finally encounter God and God's rule... we'll reject him just as Satan did.

And the laws of a nation should be based on functionality and practicality. Not religion.

Plus - if our religious ideas are such a good thing and lead to so many better lives... why should we need to try and force it upon people? Shouldn't society naturally gravitate toward it, if its principles are such sound and good ones to live by?
 

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You're just trying to keep it limited to a discussion about sexuality so that you can feel superior to other people when they decide to say that they don't like queers.
There's nothing wrong with the beliefs of such, only when they force their dislike upon those who practice it, such as the executions and denials of service we see arouind the world. No, I don't feel superior to other people, that is not who I am.
Good news. Lube is now available for all couples.
This is childish tongue-in-cheek that gets nowhere. If heterosexual couples receive benefits, why shouldn't homosexual couples and make society more equal?

How can a society be socially liberating toward the people?
By using its government to provide equality to those who are unequal. 1960s society was not pleasant when we had the Civil Rights Act created, but it took time for the people to grow out of their foolish bigotry.

It does not give them benefits. It reclassifies them under the same set of financial consequences for choosing to reside in this nation.
You must have not read the article, then. Homosexuals who were not recognized as a legal couple received higher estate taxes (because they were not recognized as a couple), something that would have been lower were they recognized (like Heterosexual couples!). This UNEQUAL and UNFAIR for couples, something I was trying to get at in these last two posts. It's beating around the bush when they do not get the benefits heterosexual couples receive.
 

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, where, to those that apply, married homosexual couples now receive both the benefits (and detriments, pffhffhff) of the average married couple: tax, health and pension benefits that were once denied to them previously.



Things to consider:

1. States will still have the power to enact their own laws regarding Gay Marriage. This change of the provision only affects homosexual couples who are already married prior.

2. The key player was 84-year old Edith Winsor, who lived in New York, which recognized same-*** marriage certificates from other countries. However, the Federal government DIDN'T recognize it, thus did not gain the benefits of a married couple, even though they were. They had to pay a much higher estate tax than recognized married couples. They were unequal to everyone else who were part of a couple.

I feel something. Something warm and fuzzy in my heart. It feels like tolerance and progression of the human legacy.
You and I will end up killing each other, one day.
Bahahahahahaha!!! I got $100 on AIM64C in this one. Taking all bets.

people like you who support this are, are no different than those who are practicing it. devil is inside of you, you need to give your heart to jesus. not live in lies of what this sinful society wants you to accept. queers go to hell. lovers of their own flesh disown their god command.
Go ****ing die.

Good for gays. What adults do in their own home should be their own decision and nobody else should be able to dictate how they live so long as there are no negative effects on anyone else. I find that as true with gay marriage as I do with how many guns I own. Nobody's damn business.
 
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there is no such thing as invitation to heaven. heaven is your HOME. if your heart decides to seek and accept it.
jesus back then was hanging out with whores and thieves, because many of them didnt knew about god message,
now he gave people the last chance to reverse their lifes back into what it should have been in the beginning of what life god gave to adam and eve.

religion is not to teach people how to live their life, it is to help people and guide them into the right path after they are done living their life. but what ever happens in the middle of it, is up to them.
"A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another." John 13:34

If Jesus had meant to exclude homosexuals from this, I'm sure he would have mentioned it. You're not even loving the sinner and not the sin in this case...you're straight up player hatin'. I highly doubt that's what Jesus would have wanted. Let's be real...he was crucified and died on a cross for our sins. If anyone has a right to hate people for doing that to him, it's Jesus himself. Yet as he was dying he said "Forgive them Father, they know not what they do."

So be honest with yourself. Would Jesus really want you to hate gays the way you do? If homosexuality is a sin and sins add to the weight of Jesus's cross, but yet Jesus still loves them, then I think you can too.

But this is turning into a religious debate. I'm honestly happy to hear about this. I think this is a much needed step towards equality.
 
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people like you who support this are, are no different than those who are practicing it. devil is inside of you, you need to give your heart to jesus. not live in lies of what this sinful society wants you to accept. queers go to hell. lovers of their own flesh disown their god command.
All I got from this is, "I'm a closed minded person, who believes in a magical man that flies around smiting the sinners for stupid shit."

You can believe in whatever you want, just don't force it down other peoples throats.
 
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There's nothing wrong with the beliefs of such, only when they force their dislike upon those who practice it, such as the executions and denials of service we see arouind the world. No, I don't feel superior to other people, that is not who I am.
If I build a business, I can decide to keep whomever I want out of it. If I don't want 35-year olds in my business (all other ages welcome), I can keep 35-year olds out of my business. If I don't want asians in my business, I can keep them out of my place of business.

My loss.

Go to Korea. Go to any Arab nation. It is in the nature of people to discriminate; so much so that they will turn away perfectly good business transactions while doing so.

This is why the government should be given only power that is absolutely essential to make it functional, and nothing more.

This is childish tongue-in-cheek that gets nowhere. If heterosexual couples receive benefits, why shouldn't homosexual couples and make society more equal?
Honestly couldn't care less. Why? I'm one of the guys pounding your collective rectums whether you had lube or not - I still win and you're still taking it in the rear.

That you've lowered yourself to thinking that being allowed to use lube is progressive is a testament to the slave you've become.

By using its government to provide equality to those who are unequal. 1960s society was not pleasant when we had the Civil Rights Act created, but it took time for the people to grow out of their foolish bigotry.
Actually, plenty of evidence indicates that society was already well on its way towards tolerance - even before the Civil Rights Act.

I would actually say that the Civil Rights Act has ultimately panned out to be the greatest disservice to those who were experienced prejudism. Why? Because at least two full generations grew up under the idea that they were entitled. They were given things they didn't work for because the government wanted to "make things equal." They were employed based on the color of their skin to fill quotas for Equal Opportunity qualifications.

That concept of entitlement poisoned their minds. Now, when they get treated equally - they think they are being discriminated against and like to try and cite the grievances of people they share no blood history with (the African slaves) to gain political leverage.

Change doesn't come from the government. Change comes from the people who form that government.

Trying to go about it in reverse is always going to lead to problems.

You must have not read the article, then. Homosexuals who were not recognized as a legal couple received higher estate taxes (because they were not recognized as a couple), something that would have been lower were they recognized (like Heterosexual couples!). This UNEQUAL and UNFAIR for couples, something I was trying to get at in these last two posts. It's beating around the bush when they do not get the benefits heterosexual couples receive.
Son, I was pointing this out back when homosexuals were all parroting about how it was a great day for equality that homosexuals were allowed into the military. Under federal law, they are not allowed to have many of the same benefits as heterosexual couples.

I was told to shut up and declare it some great success that would make our country into some perfect little haven.

If you would actually shut up long enough to listen to what I'm asking you - you'd maybe learn something.

What I'm saying is very, very simple:

Why does the government have the authority to decide whether or not to grant special tax status to two people who live together?

Why can I not, upon death, pass my possessions (including bank accounts) on to whomever I want without the government having to make a decision on how big of a portion of it to take away from them?

Why is the national government getting involved in the individual affairs of its citizens when its original function was to govern the States and initially forbidden from entering into the lives of individual citizens unless it pertained to the State?

What if I, and three women, decide to live under the same roof and have our last names changed to the same, and I sire children with all of them? What tax status does that qualify them for? What legal rights do we all have to each other (such as being able to see them in the hospital?)

You're sitting here, trying to argue which version of the rules we should be using in this game.

I'm wondering why the hell we're wasting time and energy playing a game that is, obviously, causing so much conflict.

there is no such thing as invitation to heaven. heaven is your HOME. if your heart decides to seek and accept it.
jesus back then was hanging out with whores and thieves, because many of them didnt knew about god message,
now he gave people the last chance to reverse their lifes back into what it should have been in the beginning of what life god gave to adam and eve.
You... haven't really read the Bible, have you? If you did, you would be putting together more intelligible sentences, for starters (monkey-see; monkey-do). Second, you would realize that this is not, at all, what Jesus came to do.

Jesus came to save people from the system the Pharisee had developed.

Many Jews thought that the Messiah would come and save them from Rome - to make them an independent nation once again. This is why Jesus was brought before Pontious Pilate, the Roman Governor of the region. Pilate had, through Jesus' life, ordered Roman legions to snuff out entire towns that had rallied to support would-be messiahs promising to lead the Jews to a military victory over Rome. Pilate found Jesus innocent under Roman Law (which has been construed by the Church to mean free from all sin).

Jesus hung out with people who had been cast out of Jewish society by the Pharisee and the system at large. They were people who were condemned; seen as unclean; and certainly seen as unfit to be a part of any heaven.

Jesus broke the laws and customs established by the Pharisee. That would be akin to going against the Catholic Church during the Renaisance. It got many people killed in both time frames. Jesus was in a unique position because he was a direct descendant of King David and from a powerful family (another thing you don't often hear in Church - they try to make it sound like he was some street rat when he was, in fact, from a noble family).



religion is not to teach people how to live their life, it is to help people and guide them into the right path after they are done living their life. but what ever happens in the middle of it, is up to them.
Religion is a system established by men.

Spirituality is the individual development of belief in the meaning behind life and what lies beyond what we can currently experience.
 

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If I build a business, I can decide to keep whomever I want out of it. If I don't want 35-year olds in my business (all other ages welcome), I can keep 35-year olds out of my business. If I don't want asians in my business, I can keep them out of my place of business.

My loss.

Go to Korea. Go to any Arab nation. It is in the nature of people to discriminate; so much so that they will turn away perfectly good business transactions while doing so.

This is why the government should be given only power that is absolutely essential to make it functional, and nothing more.



Honestly couldn't care less. Why? I'm one of the guys pounding your collective rectums whether you had lube or not - I still win and you're still taking it in the rear.

That you've lowered yourself to thinking that being allowed to use lube is progressive is a testament to the slave you've become.



Actually, plenty of evidence indicates that society was already well on its way towards tolerance - even before the Civil Rights Act.

I would actually say that the Civil Rights Act has ultimately panned out to be the greatest disservice to those who were experienced prejudism. Why? Because at least two full generations grew up under the idea that they were entitled. They were given things they didn't work for because the government wanted to "make things equal." They were employed based on the color of their skin to fill quotas for Equal Opportunity qualifications.

That concept of entitlement poisoned their minds. Now, when they get treated equally - they think they are being discriminated against and like to try and cite the grievances of people they share no blood history with (the African slaves) to gain political leverage.

Change doesn't come from the government. Change comes from the people who form that government.

Trying to go about it in reverse is always going to lead to problems.



Son, I was pointing this out back when homosexuals were all parroting about how it was a great day for equality that homosexuals were allowed into the military. Under federal law, they are not allowed to have many of the same benefits as heterosexual couples.

I was told to shut up and declare it some great success that would make our country into some perfect little haven.

If you would actually shut up long enough to listen to what I'm asking you - you'd maybe learn something.
I agree with a lot of this.

People should be allowed to decide what goes on in their own business just like their own home. How the hell can the government justify telling someone if they can let people smoke in their restaurant or not?

Federal government should have as little authority as possible. The people of individual states would end up much happier that way.

What I'm saying is very, very simple:

Why does the government have the authority to decide whether or not to grant special tax status to two people who live together?

Why can I not, upon death, pass my possessions (including bank accounts) on to whomever I want without the government having to make a decision on how big of a portion of it to take away from them?

Why is the national government getting involved in the individual affairs of its citizens when its original function was to govern the States and initially forbidden from entering into the lives of individual citizens unless it pertained to the State?

What if I, and three women, decide to live under the same roof and have our last names changed to the same, and I sire children with all of them? What tax status does that qualify them for? What legal rights do we all have to each other (such as being able to see them in the hospital?)

You're sitting here, trying to argue which version of the rules we should be using in this game.

I'm wondering why the hell we're wasting time and energy playing a game that is, obviously, causing so much conflict.
Oh dear God. I just realized. Every shitbag in the military that doesn't want to live in the barracks anymore can get a contract marriage with another dude and collect BAH.

The whole idea of an inheritance tax is offensive to me. My loved ones shouldn't have to pay a dime for anything I worked hard to acquire while I was alive. That is my property and I should be allowed to give it to whomever I want regardless of whether I'm alive or dead.

Polygamy should be legal as well among consenting adults. All pensions, benefits, etc should be divided and passed on among the surviving spouses.
 

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he is real, why dont you belive me???? huh give me a good reason why god is not real!!! proof is everywhere. where did these stars came from, why do these planets look like perfect sphere. where did the big bang came from. how did life began on earth. this is where only god can answer. while he was dying for people sins. you disrespectful to call this man a magical person. he is a lord and you must worship him, if you want to be saved in the end. cause if you dont then there is a big consequence, there is this place called hell, where bad,rebellious,evil people go, and the price is the cost of your soul. which is the most expensive thing in the universe. if you go to hell, you will never, ever be able to get out of it. you MUST go to heaven you have to today immediately. now right i want to to calm down, go into a quiet room. sit on your knees and say these words
"Oh God, I know I am a sinner. I believe Jesus was my substitute when He died on the Cross. I believe His shed blood, death, burial, and resurrection were for me. I now receive Him as my Savior. I thank You for the forgiveness of my sins, the gift of salvation and everlasting life, because of Your merciful grace. Amen.”
please say this i want you to be saved today, so that you wont have to fear death tommorow. please repent.
Dude. I'm from Kansas and even I think you're borderline trolling with the Jesus talk.
Everything you mentioned has a scientific explanation. And the planets aren't perfect spheres. By the way God didn't die for anyone. Jesus did.
Stop preaching because I guarantee you committed the Sin of Onan three times today to a picture of some anime character and tentacles.
 

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he is real, why dont you belive me???? huh give me a good reason why god is not real!!! proof is everywhere. where did these stars came from, why do these planets look like perfect sphere. where did the big bang came from. how did life began on earth. this is where only god can answer. while he was dying for people sins. you disrespectful to call this man a magical person. he is a lord and you must worship him, if you want to be saved in the end. cause if you dont then there is a big consequence, there is this place called hell, where bad,rebellious,evil people go, and the price is the cost of your soul. which is the most expensive thing in the universe. if you go to hell, you will never, ever be able to get out of it. you MUST go to heaven you have to today immediately. now right i want to to calm down, go into a quiet room. sit on your knees and say these words
"Oh God, I know I am a sinner. I believe Jesus was my substitute when He died on the Cross. I believe His shed blood, death, burial, and resurrection were for me. I now receive Him as my Savior. I thank You for the forgiveness of my sins, the gift of salvation and everlasting life, because of Your merciful grace. Amen.”
please say this i want you to be saved today, so that you wont have to fear death tommorow. please repent.
I couldn't give a shit about what you say, nor what your magical man; or book says. I would rather go to hell, than live a life as somebody that I am not.

Also, everybody is going to hell. Pollution is a sin, you breathe air thus polluting the earth. Nearly everything you do is a sin. So, basically your magical man is punishing everybody on earth for being alive... make lots of sense. Guess we should all just kill ourselves now... oh wait, can't do that either.
 
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