[Discussion] Pros and cons to Doffy vs straw hat

[VongolaX]

Interesting enough I knew this battle against doflamingo will show a clash of kings Haki.

In this battle they're going to focus on the offense use of kings Haki like they did with luffy in the coliseum.

But now we need to asses they're other abilities/arsenal

Kings Haki: Now we don't know how powerful kings Haki is compared to the others individual. (So I'll hold that off)

Armors Haki: To me they seem dead even, this is something that you train unlike kings Haki.

Sword like objects still damage them when coating Haki:

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Observation Haki: neither have shown any great feat of it.

Doffy: his legwork combine with his fruit powers is his biggest asset.
His legs hold great power, has amazing evasiveness, and the unique coat to protect himself from great damage. (like Trebol)

Luffy: rubber....
Meaning almost all physical attacks are futile and his physical strength is greater than every single person on that island.
Gear two greatly increases speed and strength, but also has a great deal of will to trump over others.

What advantages and disadvantages will occur for luffy take to beat doflamingo?

 

[loj]

I don't know if Doffy can regenerate himself I can't believe Luffy will be able to kill Doffy alone.

Surely there must be someone to help him.

 

[VongolaX]

I don't know if Doffy can regenerate himself I can't believe Luffy will be able to kill Doffy alone.

Surely there must be someone to help him.

I never said Doffy can regenerate, but luffy will have to be Doffy alone.

There is a trend however that luffy uses to trump over the warlords he faces.

I think I found something interesing in this fight that Doffy limit himself in unintentional.

 

[loj]

I never said Doffy can regenerate, but luffy will have to be Doffy alone.

There is a trend however that luffy uses to trump over the warlords he faces.

I think I found something interesing in this fight that Doffy limit himself in unintentional.

I still think that Doffy is still a big fish for Luffy but if it isn't there is a pretty much great development for Luffy.

Luffy's disadvantage is Doffys regeneration,since Law did whatever he could and did pretty much nothing.

Would be interesting seeing how Luffy beat Doffy.I'd like to see Gear 4th xD

 

[Punk Hazard]

The constant pain his body is currently under may slow him down a tad, hindering his movements at times.

 

[VongolaX]

The constant pain his body is currently under may slow him down a tad, hindering his movements at times.

That's not it

And pain is not an excuse considering luffy went through more in this arc.

 

[VongolaX]

I still think that Doffy is still a big fish for Luffy but if it isn't there is a pretty much great development for Luffy.

Luffy's disadvantage is Doffys regeneration,since Law did whatever he could and did pretty much nothing.

Would be interesting seeing how Luffy beat Doffy.I'd like to see Gear 4th xD

Well Doffy said he wasn't healing or regenerating.

Just stitching up damage/open tissues or organs.

Pummeling and tearing open are two different types of damaging.

But thank you for your modest opinion.

You're calling for another gear right?

I'll hold you up on that

 

[Punk Hazard]

That's not it

And pain is not an excuse considering luffy went through more in this arc.

Luffy hasn't been through anything close to having your internal organs torn apart, then forcibly sewn back together with no anesthetics. Even though he repaired them, he's still gonna feeling that pain from Gamma Knife and Counter Shock tearing his organs apart, and they're still gonna be more pain every time he moves.

 

[Chief Toad]

I don't know if Doffy can regenerate himself I can't believe Luffy will be able to kill Doffy alone.

Surely there must be someone to help him.

Just so you know, he can repair himself. Last weeks chapter explains. This is bad for Luffy!

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[Angelic.]

luffys trumpcard is sabo to the rescue

 

[Chief Toad]

luffys trumpcard is sabo to the rescue

This ^^^ or Zoro!

 

[VongolaX]

Luffy hasn't been through anything close to having your internal organs torn apart, then forcibly sewn back together with no anesthetics. Even though he repaired them, he's still gonna feeling that pain from Gamma Knife and Counter Shock tearing his organs apart, and they're still gonna be more pain every time he moves.

Of course he did, even law has been through worse then Doffy did.

1. Gamma knife is not tearing him apart, it's already been torn.
2. Why would Doffy need anesthesia? Is he a p*ssy?
3. He's not going through significant pain if he is still able to stand on your two feet.

Luffy went through the colosseum for starters.

He fought Doffy's clones along with Bellamy pounding away at his torso with Haki.

Pummeling and cutting are two different kinds of pain.

The only thing you can argue is the red hawk, but besides that he hasn't been touched by any other besides luffy/law.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Of course he did, even law has been through worse then Doffy did.

1. Gamma knife is not tearing him apart, it's already been torn.
2. Why would Doffy need anesthesia? Is he a p*ssy?
3. He's not going through significant pain if he is still able to stand on your two feet.

Luffy went through the colosseum for starters.

He fought Doffy's clones along with Bellamy pounding away at his torso with Haki.

Pummeling and cutting are two different kinds of pain.

The only thing you can argue is the red hawk, but besides that he hasn't been touched by any other besides luffy/law.

Oh my God you're actually serious aren't you?

1. Gamma Knife tore his organs apart. Counter Shock further damaged them.
2. Because he's experiencing pain? Stitching up your organs raw is gonna hurt, no matter who you are
3. Being able to stand doesn't mean you aren't in pain. We've seen many, many instances of a character in pain and standing up. Unless you think Whitebeard wasn't in pain when he died. Or Ace. Or Zoro after, oh I dunno, TAKING LUFFY'S PAIN.

The colosseum barely scratched Luffy. Getting knocked around by Bellamy doesn't compare to getting your organs ripped apart. Not even close. The clone barely did anything to him. Luffy hasn't been through anything this arc that's close to getting your organs torn apart. I don't think you understand how important organs truly are.

Fact of the matter is, getting punched around by someone vastly inferior to you is not gonna take anywhere near as much out of you as having someone not too far from you in strength destroy your internal organs, then them being put back together in a painful procedure.

 

[bdm]

till now we have seen doffy is stronger then luffy [manga fact].

and by logic law had already weakened doffy,so it will be a benifit for luffy.

luffy alone CAN'T defeat doffy [i believe].but he will be a tough obstacle for doffy and haki stuff will be shown more for sure.


by my sence of prediction i think it will be a tag team fight with doffy till his defeat.

or. sabo/robin/leo/dwarf queen can appear to help luffy if law is severely wonded.


reasult-- we know-- with or without help luffy will defeat doffy.


i presume after dressrosa arc the bounty of luffy will be 600 m beli.approx

 

[VongolaX]

till now we have seen doffy is stronger then luffy [manga fact].

and by logic law had already weakened doffy,so it will be a benifit for luffy.

luffy alone CAN'T defeat doffy [i believe].but he will be a tough obstacle for doffy and haki stuff will be shown more for sure.


by my sence of prediction i think it will be a tag team fight with doffy till his defeat.

or. sabo/robin/leo/dwarf queen can appear to help luffy if law is severely wonded.


reasult-- we know-- with or without help luffy will defeat doffy.


i presume after dressrosa arc the bounty of luffy will be 600 m beli.approx

You can't really use the law weakening doflamingo argument when he's stitching his organs with his fruit powers.
Especially when he sent Bellamy on luffy before the big fight.

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Doffy is not stronger than luffy.

Law's out of the game, his last resort was on Trebol.

Even law said luffy will beat Doffy.

 

[bajram]

Doflamingo is stronger then Luffy, right now the fight isnt all fair, Luffy may have had a fight or two with people like bellamy or something but that counts for nothing while dofla right now is handicapped, his organs got teared up from the inside and he hasnt healed them he has just stitched them for the time being and of course that is going to affect him in stamina and power, not to mention that he got hit with red hawk before hand and got pierced by injection shot so the fight is nowhere near a "fair" fight and yet it takes luffy 2 kicks and 1 punch and the guy doesnt budge while one kick from dfolamingo can send luffy flying around, actually a handicap like this was needed since I just dont want to see the same scenario as alabasta where luffy just forces his way through against an opponent who was stronger then luffy and was able to fuk him up many times before and even in the last fight for me was more of a plot that made luffy win while in this case a wounded doflamingo fighting an fit luffy sounds right and would balance their powers, it looks in many ways more realistic boss fight instead of the " For my nakama im getting a powerup and BAM! ".

 

[VongolaX]

Doflamingo is stronger then Luffy, right now the fight isnt all fair, Luffy may have had a fight or two with people like bellamy or something but that counts for nothing while dofla right now is handicapped, his organs got teared up from the inside and he hasnt healed them he has just stitched them for the time being and of course that is going to affect him in stamina and power, not to mention that he got hit with red hawk before hand and got pierced by injection shot so the fight is nowhere near a "fair" fight and yet it takes luffy 2 kicks and 1 punch and the guy doesnt budge while one kick from dfolamingo can send luffy flying around, actually a handicap like this was needed since I just dont want to see the same scenario as alabasta where luffy just forces his way through against an opponent who was stronger then luffy and was able to fuk him up many times before and even in the last fight for me was more of a plot that made luffy win while in this case a wounded doflamingo fighting an fit luffy sounds right and would balance their powers, it looks in many ways more realistic boss fight instead of the " For my nakama im getting a powerup and BAM! ".

Taking Haki punches from Bellamy and not defending yourself is a handicap.

Luffy's stamina has been draining since the very start of the coliseum.

Luffy didn't fully heal from his damages either, so all in all everyone is handicapped.

Think of the journey it took luffy to get to doflamingo while he was running away via Pica.

Now may I remind you that red hawk sent Doffy flying coughing blood on his knees.

Also, gear two Luffy's kick sent him flying causing a crater.

Doffy's not stronger but his battle experience helps him a lot.

 

[VongolaX]

Oh my God you're actually serious aren't you?

1. Gamma Knife tore his organs apart. Counter Shock further damaged them.
2. Because he's experiencing pain? Stitching up your organs raw is gonna hurt, no matter who you are
3. Being able to stand doesn't mean you aren't in pain. We've seen many, many instances of a character in pain and standing up. Unless you think Whitebeard wasn't in pain when he died. Or Ace. Or Zoro after, oh I dunno, TAKING LUFFY'S PAIN.

The colosseum barely scratched Luffy. Getting knocked around by Bellamy doesn't compare to getting your organs ripped apart. Not even close. The clone barely did anything to him. Luffy hasn't been through anything this arc that's close to getting your organs torn apart. I don't think you understand how important organs truly are.

Fact of the matter is, getting punched around by someone vastly inferior to you is not gonna take anywhere near as much out of you as having someone not too far from you in strength destroy your internal organs, then them being put back together in a painful procedure.

Lmao what?

1. Counter shock damages the whole body, Vergo took a countershock and he wasn't complaining about his organs or his ability to whip smoker down. He already stitched his organs up before fighting luffy, so their is no internal bleeding during the start of that fight.

2. What kind of excuses is that?
Raw?
Of course stitching yourself is going to be raw, regardless of it hurting that shouldn't be an excuse.
If that's the case, Law with a missing limb should give Doffy some pointers of fighting while being damaged.

3. Old man dying of illness before the the fight is basically a gamma knife to the chest times five.
That was pain. Getting half your face burned off, body being magma burned, and suffering a nuclear exhorted power too the body is not pain. It's called having a heart!
Don't even compare luffy and Zoro to Doffy. Luffy's whole body was being torn apart internally.
And Zoro even more so.


Doesn't matter if someone is inferior to you or not, standing there and taking a beating is going to take its toll.

Just like how pre timeskip luffy is inferior to Garp, but standing still and taking a punch still knocked him through the ground.

Same concept applies here.

You shouldn't hold petty excuse like this for doflamingo just because he's your favorite.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Lmao what?

1. Counter shock damages the whole body, Vergo took a countershock and he wasn't complaining about his organs or his ability to whip smoker down. He already stitched his organs up before fighting luffy, so their is no internal bleeding during the start of that fight.

2. What kind of excuses is that?
Raw?
Of course stitching yourself is going to be raw, regardless of it hurting that shouldn't be an excuse.
If that's the case, Law with a missing limb should give Doffy some pointers of fighting while being damaged.

3. Old man dying of illness before the the fight is basically a gamma knife to the chest times five.
That was pain. Getting half your face burned off, body being magma burned, and suffering a nuclear exhorted power too the body is not pain. It's called having a heart!
Don't even compare luffy and Zoro to Doffy. Luffy's whole body was being torn apart internally.
And Zoro even more so.


Doesn't matter if someone is inferior to you or not, standing there and taking a beating is going to take its toll.

Just like how pre timeskip luffy is inferior to Garp, but standing still and taking a punch still knocked him through the ground.

Same concept applies here.

You shouldn't hold petty excuse like this for doflamingo just because he's your favorite.

1. That's because Vergo took the Counter Shock while 100%. Doflamingo was heavily damaged when the Counter Shock was delivered to him, and he was clearly injured by it.[

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]. Even though he stitched up his body, the blood that bled into his body internally from the organs being busted in the first place is still there. The pain he felt is still there.

2. Hence why I said he's using no anesthetics. If he was, the pain wouldn't matter. But because he's doing it raw, he's gonna feel even more pain with the organs being pulled back into place and the threads piercing them to sew them up. Doffy is still gonna be able to fight, but he's also gonna still feel that pain. It's possible that the pain can hinder his ability to fight. A clear example of something like this happening is when Rob Lucci went to hit Luffy with Madara, and the pain from the Gigant Pistol hit his legs, hindering him. Something similar can happen to Doffy, he can ignore the pain at times but there will be times when it hinders him.

3. Exactly. They were in pain, and they could stand. That is to show you that being able to stand doesn't mean you're not in pain. If Whitebeard can stand up with 5x as much pain in his body as what Gamma Knife did, then why is it impossible for Doffy to be able to stand with his pain?
Yeah, idk what you're referring to with Luffy's body being torn apart internally. And if you seriously think Doffy can't take something pre-skip Zoro did, you should probably drop the series.

It does matter. The gap between Luffy and Bellamy is much bigger than the gap between Law and Doffy. Therefore, Law striking Doffy with one of his strongest if not his strongest attack is gonna deal more damage than Bellamy punching Luffy.

That actually reinforces my point. The punch knocked Garp to the ground, but it didn't do any significant damage to him; showing that simply being punched doesn't always mean much, same concept applies to Bellamy and Luffy. Garp was thrown aside because he did nothing to stand his ground. Luffy has been shown lifting tons of weight before, while Garp probably weighs in somewhere between 200-300 pounds. Of course a punch from Luffy is gonna send him flying if he takes it without trying to stand firm. If Garp wanted to, he could have taken Luffy's punch without budging an inch.

Really? Ad hominem already? First of all, Law is my favorite character and I like Luffy more than Doflamingo. Second of all, I'm a practical person. I don't need to make excuses for a character because I like them more than the other in question.

 

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I'd say Doffy's Armament is superior to Luffy's, only reason Doffy got knocked around and stood on level pegging with Luffy last chapter was him underestimating Luffy, whom lest we not forget is enraged (and we all know a pissed Luffy is a random short term powerup), Doflamingo has also been fatigued from fighting a similarly capable fighter in Law (we saw how he won that fight with relative ease, only being struck twice).

Regardless of whether Doffy is regenerating or not, he's still severely injured

It's hard to show feats with Kenbunshoku Haki