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It's like having horrible vision and you wear a pair of contacts and you see the world a whole different way.

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It's like having *** with a condom (Not even rubber, more like cardboard >_>) and try it without the condom and experience euphoria. Of course in some cases you'd get STDs ._. But you get my point @_@
 

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I'm not trying to argue, and this will be my last post. Back to the main topic.

You seem to not understand what i am saying. There is no way possible to have no mistakes and the fact that you think that is pretty much, no offense, stupid.

Also you again ignore the fact that this is suppose to be fun. The rules we have now are set to where we can still have fun battling while there is still order. If we were to have it your way then this would stop it from being fun and that would drive people away. Your way of battling is extremely too serious and too structured.

You said that it would be auto loss if you broke a rule, well most battles in the Battle arena are not serious, unless they are Death Matches or Sensei/Kaguya Tests. That is what so many of the older members have been arguing about, that all the newer people care about is technicality wins and boring structured battles, neither of those things are enjoyable to watch or be a part of. We need the laid back battles and fun little random battles with the fighters forgiving each others mistakes, but you want it the complete opposite..

Again this is my last post so good bye, its been fun chatting.
 

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I'm not trying to argue, and this will be my last post. Back to the main topic.

You seem to not understand what i am saying. There is no way possible to have no mistakes and the fact that you think that is pretty much, no offense, stupid.

Also you again ignore the fact that this is suppose to be fun. The rules we have now are set to where we can still have fun battling while there is still order. If we were to have it your way then this would stop it from being fun and that would drive people away. Your way of battling is extremely too serious and too structured.

You said that it would be auto loss if you broke a rule, well most battles in the Battle arena are not serious, unless they are Death Matches or Sensei/Kaguya Tests. That is what so many of the older members have been arguing about, that all the newer people care about is technicality wins and boring structured battles, neither of those things are enjoyable to watch or be a part of. We need the laid back battles and fun little random battles with the fighters forgiving each others mistakes, but you want it the complete opposite..

Again this is my last post so good bye, its been fun chatting.
Wooow. Are you telling me individuals will make mistakes 24/7 and break the rules? Are you telling me that you seem me making those mistakes? That I, too, break these rules? The same rules I've been instructed in? Buddy. If I had no proof that this wouldn't work I wouldn't be here suggesting this nor would I be wasting my time trying to explain it to you.

You seem to think these changes would mean doom for all. Lol, and you dare mention order? My friend, if there was discipline in the way the majority of the people here Rp'd (again) I wouldn't be here. And here you are acting like you've seen it all. Acting like you've seen people fight under this system. WOW. Just wow. If there wasn't any fun in it why in the world would I waste my time? It seems that your latest argument and fear have been the fun being taken away. Like hell it won't.

Anyway, I appreciate you taking time trying to understand (although eventually trying to oppose) the suggestions. :)
 

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well judging from your post total on this site Jinsu, I can almost guarantee that you have no RP experience on NB, which really makes you the ignorant one because you assume that since you have past RP knowledge of other sites that the knowledge from those sites will directly translate to the RP on NB which really isn't the case.

for your first post, you use this example: "Player 1: *throws kunai at u and u cant see it coming and it hits you and kills you*"

a RP member who knows the rules wouldn't post a move like that because it is against the rules that NB has provided, plus they have not shown any proof of how they blinded the opponent.

and when you said "We need to prevent things like people controlling your character's senses, thoughts and movement for pete's sake" it makes me think that you have limited knowledge about the Narutoverse and how things work in the NB RP. There are certain elements, techniques and jutsu's that allow the user the ability to control his or her opponents thoughts and actions. for example, the Nara's shadow manipulation techniques allow the Nara to control any person if the Nara's shadow is touching their opponent. Also genjutsu's also allow the caster to control the opponents mind through the injection of the casters chakra into the targets mind and create a image that isn't true.

so please before you try to come up with another suggestion, i highly suggest you become more familiar with the way NB has its RP set up and the material the RP is set up around because from your first statements, you seem pretty ignorant with concerns to just about everything.
 

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well judging from your post total on this site Jinsu, I can almost guarantee that you have no RP experience on NB, which really makes you the ignorant one because you assume that since you have past RP knowledge of other sites that the knowledge from those sites will directly translate to the RP on NB which really isn't the case.

for your first post, you use this example: "Player 1: *throws kunai at u and u cant see it coming and it hits you and kills you*"

a RP member who knows the rules wouldn't post a move like that because it is against the rules that NB has provided, plus they have not shown any proof of how they blinded the opponent.

and when you said "We need to prevent things like people controlling your character's senses, thoughts and movement for pete's sake" it makes me think that you have limited knowledge about the Narutoverse and how things work in the NB RP. There are certain elements, techniques and jutsu's that allow the user the ability to control his or her opponents thoughts and actions. for example, the Nara's shadow manipulation techniques allow the Nara to control any person if the Nara's shadow is touching their opponent. Also genjutsu's also allow the caster to control the opponents mind through the injection of the casters chakra into the targets mind and create a image that isn't true.

so please before you try to come up with another suggestion, i highly suggest you become more familiar with the way NB has its RP set up and the material the RP is set up around because from your first statements, you seem pretty ignorant with concerns to just about everything.
A suggestion within a suggestion O_O teh paradox U_U

Anyway, yeah, Rag is right all around. Jinsu, ive honestly never even seen you fight. Now that I look through your created threads I see that you have had 1 fight, and no training. So imma go out on a limb, you tell me if I get this right.

You joined the RP and havent been able to find a sensei, and now youve decided to complain because everyone else has been trained and has these "special abilities that you speak of.

Also, this is a Naruto RPG.. Naruto being the keyword in that sentence, meaning that in the RP we are in the narutoverse. Are you suggesting that we completely remove half the jutsus from the RP because you arent happy about it? o_O
 

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well judging from your post total on this site Jinsu, I can almost guarantee that you have no RP experience on NB, which really makes you the ignorant one because you assume that since you have past RP knowledge of other sites that the knowledge from those sites will directly translate to the RP on NB which really isn't the case.

for your first post, you use this example: "Player 1: *throws kunai at u and u cant see it coming and it hits you and kills you*"

a RP member who knows the rules wouldn't post a move like that because it is against the rules that NB has provided, plus they have not shown any proof of how they blinded the opponent.

and when you said "We need to prevent things like people controlling your character's senses, thoughts and movement for pete's sake" it makes me think that you have limited knowledge about the Narutoverse and how things work in the NB RP. There are certain elements, techniques and jutsu's that allow the user the ability to control his or her opponents thoughts and actions. for example, the Nara's shadow manipulation techniques allow the Nara to control any person if the Nara's shadow is touching their opponent. Also genjutsu's also allow the caster to control the opponents mind through the injection of the casters chakra into the targets mind and create a image that isn't true.

so please before you try to come up with another suggestion, i highly suggest you become more familiar with the way NB has its RP set up and the material the RP is set up around because from your first statements, you seem pretty ignorant with concerns to just about everything.
What I said in so few words, maybe this will get through to you, and further on the point Rag elaborated, in system improvements of your standards would mean that RP mods or referees will have to judge each battle, do you have any idea how many battles take place in a single day, Mods believe it or not have lives too, if they take the time to read the rules they wouldn't be so "ignorant", sheer stupidity and negligence have made them the way they are, it's not ignorance but plain old stupidity
 

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Firstly hi and welcome!!! more to the topic, no matter how you change the rules there will still be people who acts like you've pointed out in your post, considering your statement carefully, I'm left to wonder if you have actually taken time to read the RP rules, I suggest you read them and read them carefully before you go on commenting about them.

In case you don't know where to find them a thread that contains some useful links and information about the NB RP system.
Thank you. Finally someone that makes since other then the first person thst responded.
 

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Omg. It felt like I couldn't get this thread made fast enough.

Suggestion: I suggest that the fighting rules be revised and improved. Like for the sake of Rp xD

We need to prevent things like people controlling your character's senses, thoughts and movement for pete's sake. That's why It's called Roleplay: You're playing your character's role and yours only not the other person's character. Let's quit the Godmodding Dx

Ex.
Player 1: *throws kunai at u and u cant see it coming and it hits you and kills you*

^--That's hilarious, sad, but hilarious--^

Don't wanna write too much to later discover that my suggestion won't be given any thought. @_@ If you seek more evidence than I'll have no problem providing them :)
Okay about the evidence, it's the suggestion(s) that I can't find. What exactly are you proposing other than the general "preventing abilities"?
 

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Are you ready... For the discussion, of your life o_O

Jinsu, the unknown "experienced" RP'er, rose up from the shadows, and spoke out against the system.
Immediately, he was welcomed by Kushan, and the two stood face to face in what would become the greatest discussion.
Silent Crow emerged, he fought Jinsu, he constantly tried to make him come back into the light, but Jinsu's goal was in darkness.
Jinsu had a point, and Silent left the building, but then the drama started for real when Gamahiro entered the stage, he was ready to double the excitement.

"Get down!!!"

Rag came, and trippled the action.

"Get down again!!!"

He came all over Gamahiro o_O.

A Mod had entered, he used the ultimate power, the Wall of Text, wich ended with the word "everything", it was the ultimate showdown of ultimate destiny, and just like that, another Mod appeared.
Scarface was scarred from many battles, but he did another Wall of Text, and together the Mod's were a fearsome duo, but even all this could never match what would happen in the end.
Kushan re-entered, with Loki as a sidekick, and Rei fell from the sky, it is the ultimate discussion.
Will this keep going??? How can i write so much about a thread??? Is Gamahiro a penguin???

Find out in the next episode of...

NB
 
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Are you ready... For the discussion, of your life o_O

Jinsu, the unknown "experienced" RP'er, rose up from the shadows, and spoke out against the system.
Immediately, he was welcomed by Kushan, and the two stood face to face in what would become the greatest discussion.
Silent Crow emerged, he fought Jinsu, he constantly tried to make him come back into the light, but Jinsu's goal was in darkness.
Jinsu had a point, and Silent left the building, but then the drama started for real when Gamahiro entered the stage, he was ready to double the excitement.

"Get down!!!"

Rag came, and trippled the action.

"Get down again!!!"

He came all over Gamahiro o_O.

A Mod had entered, he used the ultimate power, the Wall of Text, wich ended with the word "everything", it was the ultimate showdown of ultimate destiny, and just like that, another Mod appeared.
Scarface was scarred from many battles, but he did another Wall of Text, and together the Mod's were a fearsome duo, but even all this could never match what would happen in the end.
Kushan re-entered, with Loki as a sidekick, and Rei fell from the sky, it is the ultimate discussion.
Will this keep going??? How can i write so much about a thread??? Is Gamahiro a penguin???

Find out in the next episode of...

NB
wow zero sempai .that's sound like kirabi rapping style:D:D
 

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So do I, and others should as well. what I'm saying is you cant just go


Player 1: ~His eyes are focused on his opponent ready for any sudden movement~

Player 2:*runs at you and you can't see me running at you because you were looking at birds and I punch you to death and rape your corpse*

See where I'm going with this?

No one does that, Jinsu. Maybe this is because of your lack of RPing here, but I don't think you quite understand what we mean. I'll talk for myself only, from now on:

When I use godmodding, and I admit I do, I do it mainly to describe my move throughout, so that my opponent knows what to expect.

Here's an example:

  1. I punch you in the face. If it connects, it will break your nose, sending enough impact to push you away a couple of meters.
  2. I punch you in the face, breaking your nose and pushing you away a couple of meters.
Both are written differently, but both have the same meaning, showing the power of my punch. One may be considered Godmoding, but I don't see it that way. It is obvious that none of those things will happen if my opponent successfully blocks it.

Now another example:
  1. I throw a smoke bomb, which would prevent you from seeing all around your, further from 1 meters away from you. I then throw a Kunai at you, from your blind spot behind you, aiming at the back of your skull, which would lodge on your occipital ridge and knock you unconscious.
  2. I throw a smoke bomb, preventing you from seeing further than 1 meter all around you. I then throw a kunai from behind you, from your blind spot, where you're unable to see it. It lodges on the back of your skull, occipital ridge, knocking you unconscious.
Again, one can be mistaken by Godmoding, but in all actuality, I'm just specifying what my opponent should expect. In his turn, he can't simply say that he turns around and blocks the kunai, like most people do, he has to describe how, in those circumstances, he can sense and block the kunai.

There's quite a fragile line between Description and Godmoding, nonetheless, I don't see it as a problem that's worth creating a thread and changing the rules for. The truth is, most of us may gomod without really meaning to do it.



There's one problem, though, that I think should be debated. Doujutsu genjutsu. It is common sense that when we're fighting our opponent, we keep an eye contact most of the times. It is also common sense that when fighting a Doujutsu user, we don't. Those two common senses clearly collide with eachother, and lead to your so called Godmoding problem. The defender assumes he is never looking at the attacker's eyes, while the attacker assumes the defender is, and thus, auto-Genjutsu. These kind of situations are are to deal with, because there's no common ground, no stated fact that leads to both fighters having the same picture of one another.
 

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Are you ready... For the discussion, of your life o_O

Jinsu, the unknown "experienced" RP'er, rose up from the shadows, and spoke out against the system.
Immediately, he was welcomed by Kushan, and the two stood face to face in what would become the greatest discussion.
Silent Crow emerged, he fought Jinsu, he constantly tried to make him come back into the light, but Jinsu's goal was in darkness.
Jinsu had a point, and Silent left the building, but then the drama started for real when Gamahiro entered the stage, he was ready to double the excitement.

"Get down!!!"

Rag came, and trippled the action.

"Get down again!!!"

He came all over Gamahiro o_O.

A Mod had entered, he used the ultimate power, the Wall of Text, wich ended with the word "everything", it was the ultimate showdown of ultimate destiny, and just like that, another Mod appeared.
Scarface was scarred from many battles, but he did another Wall of Text, and together the Mod's were a fearsome duo, but even all this could never match what would happen in the end.
Kushan re-entered, with Loki as a sidekick, and Rei fell from the sky, it is the ultimate discussion.
Will this keep going??? How can i write so much about a thread??? Is Gamahiro a penguin???

Find out in the next episode of...

NB
ZeroG Sempai.... Epicness, The best part is " Is Gamahiro a penguin??? "

Anyway, Dear Jinsu,

Listen up. When someone "Controls" you, That does not mean that you are unable to counter the attack.

Your idea:
P1- I am focused on you and follow up your moves.
P2- You don't see me and I hit you.
P1- I get hit

The Fact:
P1- I use a fireball on you and burn you like hell.
P2- Just as you launch your fireball I raise a wall of water. Also hitting you
P1- When you raise your wall of water,I hop back. You blocked your vision of me, so I then hide underground and wait for you to finish, then pull you underground.
P2- After my water wall is done, I notice he disappeared, so I quickly use a lightning surge to assure he's not underground.
P1- I got shocked.

You know where it leads to. Anyway, as you see in bold, He stated he burned P2, BUT P2 still countered it, thus was NOT burned.

I'm guessing you are just skipping through all of the spars, and only see what you want to see. If you want proof of what's I said, Read any thread in the battle arena. (Every little bit of it)

-Yours Truly, Taka
 
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I've read alot of this (and skipped over a lot too :p ) and it semms the problem is stemming from a lack of experience, as others have stated. As you have more and more battles you start to figure out what is accptable and what isn't.

As liliana stated, what you are calling "godmodding" is just people explaining thier moves in a way that conveys power. If I go in for a punch or thow a kunai I want to show that the attack is going to hit. I dont want to write, "Well, I'm gonna try to punch you... I hope it hits you >.< " They are testing you to see how much they can get away with.
Sometimes, if I don't want to be presumptuous like that, I'll leave my attacks open ended, by only stating the jutsu I used and how I use them. However, If you dont specify the details about your attack, be ready for your opponent to use that to his advantage by saying that you didnt specify and that his counter was legitimate.

Just have confidence in your abilities and know that you can counter and you'll be fine. done be afraid to say, "I can see you comming because I stepped out of the smoke" or "why would I not be able to see you?" :p
 

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well judging from your post total on this site Jinsu, I can almost guarantee that you have no RP experience on NB, which really makes you the ignorant one because you assume that since you have past RP knowledge of other sites that the knowledge from those sites will directly translate to the RP on NB which really isn't the case.

[Knowledge on Roleplay as a whole. Any statements about other sites are merely references and examples.]

for your first post, you use this example: "Player 1: *throws kunai at u and u cant see it coming and it hits you and kills you*"

a RP member who knows the rules wouldn't post a move like that because it is against the rules that NB has provided, plus they have not shown any proof of how they blinded the opponent.

[Yea? For the hundredth time, if that was the case then I wouldn’t be here]

and when you said "We need to prevent things like people controlling your character's senses, thoughts and movement for pete's sake" it makes me think that you have limited knowledge about the Narutoverse and how things work in the NB RP. There are certain elements, techniques and jutsu's that allow the user the ability to control his or her opponents thoughts and actions. for example, the Nara's shadow manipulation techniques allow the Nara to control any person if the Nara's shadow is touching their opponent. Also genjutsu's also allow the caster to control the opponents mind through the injection of the casters chakra into the targets mind and create a image that isn't true.

[Everything you just said is nice. Matter fact I don’t know how you were trying to prove me wrong with that one. If all of the ones I had seen were done that way then that’d be fine and dandy. But don’t you think that there was a difference from what you’ve stated (Using Shadow Manipulation to control movement ect) and my examples?]

so please before you try to come up with another suggestion, i highly suggest you become more familiar with the way NB has its RP set up and the material the RP is set up around because from your first statements, you seem pretty ignorant with concerns to just about everything.
Thank you for your time :)
 

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Anyway, yeah, Rag is right all around. Jinsu, ive honestly never even seen you fight. Now that I look through your created threads I see that you have had 1 fight, and no training. So imma go out on a limb, you tell me if I get this right.

You joined the RP and havent been able to find a sensei, and now youve decided to complain because everyone else has been trained and has these "special abilities that you speak of.

[Um, wow. Don’t know what to say. Did I really start up that thread that had to do with me cryin’ because ‘everyone’ is trained? You just read my mind, you’re amazing :eek: Oh please ._. ]
Also, this is a Naruto RPG.. Naruto being the keyword in that sentence, meaning that in the RP we are in the narutoverse. Are you suggesting that we completely remove half the jutsus from the RP because you arent happy about it? o_O

[Did you even read ANYTHING, before you typed up that last paragraph? This is by far the stupidest reply I’ve seen thus far. Should have done something better with your time ._.]
Thank you for your time, scarface :)
 

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What I said in so few words, maybe this will get through to you, and further on the point Rag elaborated, in system improvements of your standards would mean that RP mods or referees will have to judge each battle, do you have any idea how many battles take place in a single day, Mods believe it or not have lives too, if they take the time to read the rules they wouldn't be so "ignorant", sheer stupidity and negligence have made them the way they are, it's not ignorance but plain old stupidity

[When you Assume you make an Ass-outta-U-and-Me :) But this time just U. Just where the heck did you get the part that Mods and Refs would have to be on all day to judge the fights? Lol, try again :) ]
Thank you for your time, Kushan :)
 

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No one does that, Jinsu. Maybe this is because of your lack of RPing here, but I don't think you quite understand what we mean. I'll talk for myself only, from now on:

When I use godmodding, and I admit I do, I do it mainly to describe my move throughout, so that my opponent knows what to expect.

[You don’t have to Godmod to have a pretty thorough move :) ]
Here's an example:
1. I punch you in the face. If it connects, it will break your nose, sending enough impact to push you away a couple of meters.
2. I punch you in the face, breaking your nose and pushing you away a couple of meters.

Both are written differently, but both have the same meaning, showing the power of my punch. One may be considered Godmoding, but I don't see it that way. It is obvious that none of those things will happen if my opponent successfully blocks it.

[ You’re right on one thing, showing the power of your punch is far from Godmodding. However, in reply to your examples: Rp is based on pretty much 2 things that are Imagination, Writing. Now we’ve all got the imagination, now to be able to put it in writing and wording everything properly is another. Now remember, every action you write will translate in the Rp. Example 1: this first one tops the second one by a mile. Even though ‘I punch you in the face’ was an Auto-hit, you still described the potential of the punch and what kinda damage it would do IF it connected.
Example 2: This one however, is not. You already wrote that your character punched the other and broke his nose and pushed him back a couple of meters. Remember, the way you write it is the way it happens in the Rp. So you didn’t give the other person any chance to even counter since it was an automatic hit. ]

Now another example:
1. I throw a smoke bomb, which would prevent you from seeing all around your, further from 1 meters away from you. I then throw a Kunai at you, from your blind spot behind you, aiming at the back of your skull, which would lodge on your occipital ridge and knock you unconscious.
2. I throw a smoke bomb, preventing you from seeing further than 1 meter all around you. I then throw a kunai from behind you, from your blind spot, where you're unable to see it. It lodges on the back of your skull, occipital ridge, knocking you unconscious.

Again, one can be mistaken by Godmoding, but in all actuality, I'm just specifying what my opponent should expect. In his turn, he can't simply say that he turns around and blocks the kunai, like most people do, he has to describe how, in those circumstances, he can sense and block the kunai.

[They’re both fine. Except the last sentence on example 2 which is, again, an automatic hit.]

There's quite a fragile line between Description and Godmoding, nonetheless, I don't see it as a problem that's worth creating a thread and changing the rules for. The truth is, most of us may gomod without really meaning to do it.

[Knowing what not to do will prevent you from doing so]

There's one problem, though, that I think should be debated. Doujutsu genjutsu. It is common sense that when we're fighting our opponent, we keep an eye contact most of the times. It is also common sense that when fighting a Doujutsu user, we don't. Those two common senses clearly collide with eachother, and lead to your so called Godmoding problem. The defender assumes he is never looking at the attacker's eyes, while the attacker assumes the defender is, and thus, auto-Genjutsu. These kind of situations are are to deal with, because there's no common ground, no stated fact that leads to both fighters having the same picture of one another.


[Instead of assuming, the defender should state that he isn’t looking at the attackers eyes. The attacker has all the right the right to assume the defender is looking at his eyes since the defender did not clarify where he his eyesight was locked on. So all of that can be avoided if the defender makes that clear]
Thank you for your time, Liliana ^_^
 
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