Proof that Third Kazekage > Third Raikage (Actual Explanation inside)

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That logic hurts my brain, its sooo bad

You do realize your underestimating one of 5 massive great forces of nature

Magnetism can't be pushed aside not to mention Iron sand is lethal




Yamato has wood release and yet he is far and i mean faaaaaaaaaaaaar from his standard because of the way he uses it

Overall it doesn't seem like a dangerous threat




Lol Range wise this goes to the Third Kazekage, not to mention his sneak attacks of using iron sand particles to get into the Third Raikage's lungs and controlling the iron in his blood into one location causing a stroke.
Sakura pushed it aside I kno that for sure

Iron sand is lethal to who u must not be talking bout the raikage when u said those words... Yea like I said ur not going to trap him he will use three fingers an break threw..like I said be4 if it's chakara related its not going threw his armor.

I'm pretty sure sasori an chiyo knos everything about iron sand when chiyo was explaining the iron sand to Sakura she would have said it can inter ur body an he can control u from the inside.
 

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you guys do know that the kazekage was dead and a puppet , meaning he couldnt control it properly , sasori was in control , besides as a kage im pretty sure he could make clones and had totally OP jutsu aside magnet release , if magnet release is a KKG and not just a shikaku sand manipulation variant , then he has two more chakra natures , and i presume he would be fast, name a kage who isnt atleast jounin speed
 

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Sakura pushed it aside I kno that for sure

Iron sand is lethal to who u must not be talking bout the raikage when u said those words... Yea like I said ur not going to trap him he will use three fingers an break threw..like I said be4 if it's chakara related its not going threw his armor.

I'm pretty sure sasori an chiyo knos everything about iron sand when chiyo was explaining the iron sand to Sakura she would have said it can inter ur body an he can control u from the inside.


its impossible to use someone else's powers to its fullest extent, Third Kazekage is much stronger than what the puppet version of himself had shown in the Sakura and Chiyo battle. Ultimate Sasori lost because chiyo saw through everything he did, how would she see through the Third Kazekage?

you guys do know that the kazekage was dead and a puppet , meaning he couldnt control it properly , sasori was in control , besides as a kage im pretty sure he could make clones and had totally OP jutsu aside magnet release , if magnet release is a KKG and not just a shikaku sand manipulation variant , then he has two more chakra natures , and i presume he would be fast, name a kage who isnt atleast jounin speed
Thanks for the support, i hope you stick around 4 vs 1 aren't fair odds lol
 
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That logic hurts my brain, its sooo bad

You do realize your underestimating one of 5 massive great forces of nature

Magnetism can't be pushed aside not to mention Iron sand is lethal




Yamato has wood release and yet he is far and i mean faaaaaaaaaaaaar from his standard because of the way he uses it

Overall it doesn't seem like a dangerous threat




Lol Range wise this goes to the Third Kazekage, not to mention his sneak attacks of using iron sand particles to get into the Third Raikage's lungs and controlling the iron in his blood into one location causing a stroke.
Lol and I see this fight as a very, VERY similar fight to the Sasuke- Deidara. (which was very epic) it's similar in many ways as Deidara is a long range fight a kekkai genkai that is weak against electricity and he uses explosions as the Kazekage would use sand. Sasuke would be like the Raikage due to his lightning release and his manipulation to use the chidori in a pretty far distance. (black lightning. And Sasuke's curse mark is like a noob version of raiton armour, and Raikage's speed just trolls on Sasuke's. So I still think Raikage..
Sorry that I brought other fights into it but I though it was a good comparison, so please, take this into consideration.
 
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That logic hurts my brain, its sooo bad

You do realize your underestimating one of 5 massive great forces of nature

Magnetism can't be pushed aside not to mention Iron sand is lethal




Yamato has wood release and yet he is far and i mean faaaaaaaaaaaaar from his standard because of the way he uses it

Overall it doesn't seem like a dangerous threat

And Sasori lost on purpose haha and plus Chiyo fought against her student too.


Lol Range wise this goes to the Third Kazekage, not to mention his sneak attacks of using iron sand particles to get into the Third Raikage's lungs and controlling the iron in his blood into one location causing a stroke.
its impossible to use someone else's powers to its fullest extent, Third Kazekage is much stronger than what the puppet version of himself had shown in the Sakura and Chiyo battle. Ultimate Sasori lost because chiyo saw through everything he did, how would she see through the Third Kazekage?
And Sasori lost on purpose haha and Chiyo was Sasori's teacher....
 

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Lol and I see this fight as a very, VERY similar fight to the Sasuke- Deidara. (which was very epic) it's similar in many ways as Deidara is a long range fight a kekkai genkai that is weak against electricity and he uses explosions as the Kazekage would use sand. Sasuke would be like the Raikage due to his lightning release and his manipulation to use the chidori in a pretty far distance. (black lightning. And Sasuke's curse mark is like a noob version of raiton armour, and Raikage's speed just trolls on Sasuke's. So I still think Raikage..
Sorry that I brought other fights into it but I though it was a good comparison, so please, take this into consideration.
That's a great comparison as the third's lightening could be demagnitized by the Third's lightning.

I don't think the Third Raikage would see this as this is a uncommon thing to know

Not to mention this is a fight where the Third Kazekage is the smart one by far and he doesn't overestimate his own ability (isn't his downfall)

Intelligence is a crucial factor as seen with the Hidan and Shikumaru

An Akatsuki member rendered useless simply by intelligence
 

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we don't have much info on neither of them. I think raikage is overrated a little and kazekage is underrated a little but still I can't say which is better
 
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That's a great comparison as the third's lightening could be demagnitized by the Third's lightning.

I don't think the Third Raikage would see this as this is a uncommon thing to know

Not to mention this is a fight where the Third Kazekage is the smart one by far and he doesn't overestimate his own ability (isn't his downfall)

Intelligence is a crucial factor as seen with the Hidan and Shikumaru

An Akatsuki member rendered useless simply by intelligence
Well I don't Raikage is a Kage that doesn't have intelligence comparible to the Third Kazekage's. I only see the Raikage as the type that would lose his cool easily. But we don't know that for sure (even though A is very hot-headed). Oh, and black lightning isn't storm release, it's still lightning release, which is trouble for the Kazekage. Haha
 
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Well I don't Raikage is a Kage that doesn't have intelligence comparible to the Third Kazekage's. I only see the Raikage as the type that would lose his cool easily. But we don't know that for sure (even though A is very hot-headed). Oh, and black lightning isn't storm release, it's still lightning release, which is trouble for the Kazekage. Haha
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Well I don't Raikage is a Kage that doesn't have intelligence comparible to the Third Kazekage's. I only see the Raikage as the type that would lose his cool easily. But we don't know that for sure (even though A is very hot-headed). Oh, and black lightning isn't storm release, it's still lightning release, which is trouble for the Kazekage. Haha
Lol just by the way the Third Raikage conducts himself he probably has average intelligence and the Third Kazekage is considered a genius which pretty much makes a Shikamaru > Hidan comparison to a lesser extent
 
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its impossible to use someone else's powers to its fullest extent, Third Kazekage is much stronger than what the puppet version of himself had shown in the Sakura and Chiyo battle. Ultimate Sasori lost because chiyo saw through everything he did, how would she see through the Third Kazekage?



Thanks for the support, i hope you stick around 4 vs 1 aren't fair odds lol
But like I said chiyo would have let Sakura kno if he could put the sand in ur body cuz I kno she knos everything there is to kno about iron sand due to battles the third kazekage went threw word would have gotten out if he could do so or not..

If he can't put the sand in raikage blood he loses end of story.
 

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But like I said chiyo would have let Sakura kno if he could put the sand in ur body cuz I kno she knos everything there is to kno about iron sand due to battles the third kazekage went threw word would have gotten pu if he could do so or not..

If he can't put the sand in raikage blood he loses end of story.

No ur not understanding, there are uses to techniques other than when they are shown in the manga. Overall your not thinking for yourself enough, believe me science does come into account in Naruto sometimes


I'm going with Kazekage on this one. Didn't even care that much about him before this thread haha.
Lol i'm glad my thread has made you think more of the Third Kazekage
 

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Still Shikamarubhaf to fight Hidan twice to study understand his techniques.
But comparisons aside, I'm loving this thread! Lol
Lol i invited everyone who doesn't flame but makes good arguments and does it without offending the other person

Took a bit of time but was definitely worth it lol

Hidan was unknown whilst The Third Raikage's techniques would be known in corners of the world lol
 

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No ur not understanding, there are uses to techniques other than when they are shown in the manga. Overall your not thinking for yourself enough, believe me science does come into account in Naruto sometimes




Lol i'm glad my thread has made you think more of the Third Kazekage
No wats happening here is ur making up stuff for the third kazekage.

Like I said it would have been bought up by chiyo if he could do that or not trust me she or sasori knos everything about that guy's iron sand an if it could go in ur body.
 

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Raikage would win. Don't overestimate the iron sands effect on lightning. it is true that Iron conducts electricity, but iron is a very weak conducter at 10MS/m, better only than bronze and stainless steel. also, the "armour" u speak of is made up, not any sort of confirmed technique--even if he does use the iron as a shield there's nothing to suggest it is or would be as perfect as it's described in your post. Plus, we don't know which nature's are used for kazekage's kekkei genkai, but i believe it must be earth-based like Kakuzu's Iron Skin tech which Raikiri cut through like butter. if that's true, lightning--especially at the 3rd raikage's level--would blast right through it. and the whole blood-bending thing is also nothing more than conjecture and should not be used in any argument, as well as the idea of kazekage sending iron into the body to choke someone to death or whatever. Even if these things seem possible, they are neither used nor discussed. and even if kazekage did use the "perfect" iron shield u describe, raikage would simply not attack. kazekage does not have an infinite amount of iron sand so he could either attack or defend with it. basically, the second he makes a hole in the shield in order to attack, raikage would be right there to punch through the hole and hit kazekage directly--he's easily fast enough to dodge the attacks used in an attempt to stop him (this is how deidara beat gaara--he took advantage of the fact that gaara attacked with his defensive sand). and this is even if kazekage had such a perfect iron shield. and as powerful as raikages body was, i don't think any of the kazekage's iron weapons could penetrate his skin. so even with poison on the iron blades, it wouldn't matter. also, water is a much better conductor of electricity. raikage would be in much more danger charging into a wall of water with his lightning armor blazing at full capacity than he would be blasting apart some iron. while iron does conduct electricity, raikage would not be injecting electricity into the iron. instead, he is using the electricity in his body to supercharge his speed and power so his punches would just blast the iron apart, electricity would not have a chance to come back to him. raikage runs an inhuman amount of electricity throughout his body, so as weak a conductor as iron is it wouldn't effect raikage even if it somehow got sent back into him. in order to hurt raikage, the electricity produced by his lightning would have to be amplified beyond its already inhuman levels and sent back to him. Iron would not do this, it would not amplify it at all. And I have no idea what you mean by saying magnetism can’t be pushed aside… sakura blasted tons of attacks away from her, it doesn’t matter if it was a puppet it’s the same power—it’s the same iron used in the same way manipulated by the same chakra. The magnetism is used mostly to bind the iron powder together into a more dense state, creating very hard and very strong weapons. And while magnetism is a strong force, it’s not like kazekage could use it to hurl his weapons at the speed of light. Raikage is more than fast enough to dodge them and more than strong enough to bash them aside. His super speed, raw power, and skin that neither Gyuuki nor 10,000 enemies could damage, raikage takes this.

Also, you said science does come into play. Having said that, you do know that to demagnetize metal you heat it up beyond its Curie temperature right? Well, for Iron, the curie temp is 770 Celsius. U have any idea how hot lightning is? It’s upwards of 30,000 Celsius. Raikage could actually use the heat of his lightning to demagnetize the iron. Then what does the Kazekage have? Even if not, he’d win for reasons stated above.
 

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Raikage would win. Don't overestimate the iron sands effect on lightning. it is true that Iron conducts electricity, but iron is a very weak conducter at 10MS/m, better only than bronze and stainless steel. also, the "armour" u speak of is made up, not any sort of confirmed technique--even if he does use the iron as a shield there's nothing to suggest it is or would be as perfect as it's described in your post. Plus, we don't know which nature's are used for kazekage's kekkei genkai, but i believe it must be earth-based like Kakuzu's Iron Skin tech which Raikiri cut through like butter. if that's true, lightning--especially at the 3rd raikage's level--would blast right through it. and the whole blood-bending thing is also nothing more than conjecture and should not be used in any argument, as well as the idea of kazekage sending iron into the body to choke someone to death or whatever. Even if these things seem possible, they are neither used nor discussed. and even if kazekage did use the "perfect" iron shield u describe, raikage would simply not attack. kazekage does not have an infinite amount of iron sand so he could either attack or defend with it. basically, the second he makes a hole in the shield in order to attack, raikage would be right there to punch through the hole and hit kazekage directly--he's easily fast enough to dodge the attacks used in an attempt to stop him (this is how deidara beat gaara--he took advantage of the fact that gaara attacked with his defensive sand). and this is even if kazekage had such a perfect iron shield. and as powerful as raikages body was, i don't think any of the kazekage's iron weapons could penetrate his skin. so even with poison on the iron blades, it wouldn't matter. also, water is a much better conductor of electricity. raikage would be in much more danger charging into a wall of water with his lightning armor blazing at full capacity than he would be blasting apart some iron. while iron does conduct electricity, raikage would not be injecting electricity into the iron. instead, he is using the electricity in his body to supercharge his speed and power so his punches would just blast the iron apart, electricity would not have a chance to come back to him. raikage runs an inhuman amount of electricity throughout his body, so as weak a conductor as iron is it wouldn't effect raikage even if it somehow got sent back into him. in order to hurt raikage, the electricity produced by his lightning would have to be amplified beyond its already inhuman levels and sent back to him. Iron would not do this, it would not amplify it at all. And I have no idea what you mean by saying magnetism can’t be pushed aside… sakura blasted tons of attacks away from her, it doesn’t matter if it was a puppet it’s the same power—it’s the same iron used in the same way manipulated by the same chakra. The magnetism is used mostly to bind the iron powder together into a more dense state, creating very hard and very strong weapons. And while magnetism is a strong force, it’s not like kazekage could use it to hurl his weapons at the speed of light. Raikage is more than fast enough to dodge them and more than strong enough to bash them aside. His super speed, raw power, and skin that neither Gyuuki nor 10,000 enemies could damage, raikage takes this.

Also, you said science does come into play. Having said that, you do know that to demagnetize metal you heat it up beyond its Curie temperature right? Well, for Iron, the curie temp is 770 Celsius. U have any idea how hot lightning is? It’s upwards of 30,000 Celsius. Raikage could actually use the heat of his lightning to demagnetize the iron. Then what does the Kazekage have? Even if not, he’d win for reasons stated above.
You present a very good and logical argument especially with the use of information about the temperature iron demagnitizes at. However i have to disagree with you on this because just because the manga doesn't state he can do it, techniques can have more than one use and can be adapted when you use your logic. Its like a thought experiment using evidence present to prove your point, just refer to Einstein to know what im on about.
 

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You present a very good and logical argument especially with the use of information about the temperature iron demagnitizes at. However i have to disagree with you on this because just because the manga doesn't state he can do it, techniques can have more than one use and can be adapted when you use your logic. Its like a thought experiment using evidence present to prove your point, just refer to Einstein to know what im on about.
yeah, and i didn't discount those things. i said, even if he could do this.... and even if he could do that.... so kazekage could probably use iron to choke someone or even possibly use iron in the body, but like i said, lightning can demagnetize iron. as long as raikage is surrounded by hot lightning, the sand couldn't get into his body anyways cuz it'd get demagnetized and kazekage would lose control of it. i already pointed out ways to get around the super shield u spoke of. so i actually didn't discount anything. i just said it wasn't in the manga and shouldn't be used in arguments, but since those things were used i addressed them.
 
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