Proof that Second Mizukage > Second Hokage (Actual Explanation Inside)

[lXxNaGaToxXl]

dont the 2nd hokage have a lighting sword or something like that?

 

[AngryRock]

You have convinced me the the 2nd mizukage can destroy the 2nd hokage with ease. There are just to many advantages the 2nd mizukage has over the hokage.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

a water master vs a water master whom can turn into water..... im pretty sure its similar principle to jinbei vs someone like kizaru with a liquid/gas/energy form , only instead of light it is water that is used..... tobirama has no way of winning , even with edo

 

[Frikid]

hey i just read on naruto wiki, they don't transform into water in hydrificatio n technique,
i said earlier also, i didn't knew much about 2nd mizukage, so i read naruto wiki and then i realised , that teleport thingy is not possible, because he don't transform into water, but a different liquid.

also it is impossible to resolidify for him if his liquid molecules get scattered..

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In Tobirama's time, it was all about senju vs uchiha and he had fought many uchiha battle ,with his bro hashi.
we all know that.
And we also know uchiha's are well known for their genjutsu , so tobirama must have a counter for the genjutsus, or he wouldn't have survived any uchiha battle.

And 2nd mizukage haven't shown any sensory abilities (as far as my knowledge)
so water clones can fool him.

I haven't received any counter to this yet

 

[Negative Knight]

I haven't received any counter to this yet

Read the Wikia link i sent you, it clearly states that they turn into water

The Second Mizukage was smart enough to know that Tobirama would control him if he turned to water (he killed Muu, so he had some sort of intelligence) so i assume he would only turn into water above a large body of water so he merges with it and therefore can't be controlled immediately.


Yes i agree he had a counter to his genjutsu, his sensory skills

Tobirama didn't have genjutsu, that was a filler episode and not in the manga

Yes the Second Mizukage didn't show any sensory skills but he was able to detect and kill the man who can turn invisible and remove his chakra signature so im sure he would work out a way to find Tobirama.

 

[DarkSasuke]

I like your facts bro from your point of view I agree with you but the show hasnt really focused of the second hokage dat much so we dont kno wat all he can do.But besides dat awsome thread xd

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

I haven't received any counter to this yet

in hydrafiction they DO transform partially into water , and as for the genjutsu , the only way to counter the clams genjutsu is either having a bijuu or destroying the clam....

 

[Frikid]

Read the Wikia link i sent you, it clearly states that they turn into water

The Second Mizukage was smart enough to know that Tobirama would control him if he turned to water (he killed Muu, so he had some sort of intelligence) so i assume he would only turn into water above a large body of water so he merges with it and therefore can't be controlled immediately.


Yes i agree he had a counter to his genjutsu, his sensory skills

Tobirama didn't have genjutsu, that was a filler episode and not in the manga

Yes the Second Mizukage didn't show any sensory skills but he was able to detect and kill the man who can turn invisible and remove his chakra signature so im sure he would work out a way to find Tobirama.

what you are saying is just an assumption, but the way they are portaited in manga, he doesn't seems that smart.
He was fighting to kages lke a immature kid, gaara's dad and third raikage look more like kages.

anyway, even if he is smart enough
even if he merges with water then what?
Nothing,

Any water technique he do will backfire at him as he is fighting the best water jutsu user and manipulator.

ánd water teleportation thing is just a speculation,it has never been shown or done in manga or anime , so you can write it as a fact or argue about it.

Something which has never been done in manga, is just not appropriate to argue with.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

what you are saying is just an assumption, but the way they are portaited in manga, he doesn't seems that smart.
He was fighting to kages lke a immature kid, gaara's dad and third raikage look more like kages.

anyway, even if he is smart enough
even if he merges with water then what?
Nothing,

Any water technique he do will backfire at him as he is fighting the best water jutsu user and manipulator.

ánd water teleportation thing is just a speculation,it has never been shown or done in manga or anime , so you can write it as a fact or argue about it.

Something which has never been done in manga, is just not appropriate to argue with.

there is still genjutsu like i said before , and in the anime the 2nd hokage uses genjutsu , but..... in the manga its hashirama that uses that genjutsu vs hiruzen , and 2nd mizukage has that giant chibi bomb thing right?

 

[ZioN AmaZe]

Second Mizukage would win the battle because water techniques don't work on him, he has a great genjutsu but so does the 2nd Hokage. Infinte Oiled-Based Water Clone Explosion Jutsu is a big advantage so i beleive that the 2nd mizukage would win, but im not sure how well the 2nd hokage could use edo tensei.
Good thread +Rep

 

[Unbiased]

If the second hokage can use edo tensei then I do believe its plausible he will win.

It is illogical to state that tobirama cannot get out of a genjutsu, as he came from an era where they fought uchiha's consistently.

One more thing, the senju were noted as masters of all 3 types of shinobi combat. Just because ninjutsu doesn't work, does not mean genjutsu and taijutsu are out of the question. Not to mention he does have edo tensei, and a "space time ninjutsu" that received praise from minato.

There's not enough information to conclude who would win, however in the 1st + 2nd + orochimaru vs hiruzen fight, the ANBU said he was one of the best in his era.

 

[olumiday]

All techniques have weaknesses and it's up to the opponent to find it and utilise it to his advantage. This was how Gaara defeated the Mizukage.

We don't know how much chakra drain the mizukage's techniques causes, cos we saw him in edo form, same applies to Tobirama.

We need more info about Tobirama in order to judge.
For example, almost all will agree that Hashirama > 2nd Mizukage, yet from your analysis of the Mizukage's techniques, he would also defeat Hashirama who uses wood element (WATER + EARTH) and self healing, excluding tailed beasts control (he didn't use tailed beasts against Madara).

Also, in a critical situation such as protecting one's village by defeating another Kage, I believe a Kage won't refrain from using a forbidden technique. Tsunade even used that of self-heal against Madara, so we can't rule out the use of edo tensei by Tobirama.

In conclusion, based on the KNOWN facts, Mizukage wins, based on HYPE, Tobirama wins.

So what do you choose, KNOWN (possibly incomplete)facts or hype? ;-)

 

[Negative Knight]

All techniques have weaknesses and it's up to the opponent to find it and utilise it to his advantage. This was how Gaara defeated the Mizukage.

We don't know how much chakra drain the mizukage's techniques causes, cos we saw him in edo form, same applies to Tobirama.

We need more info about Tobirama in order to judge.
For example, almost all will agree that Hashirama > 2nd Mizukage, yet from your analysis of the Mizukage's techniques, he would also defeat Hashirama who uses wood element (WATER + EARTH) and self healing, excluding tailed beasts control (he didn't use tailed beasts against Madara).

Also, in a critical situation such as protecting one's village by defeating another Kage, I believe a Kage won't refrain from using a forbidden technique. Tsunade even used that of self-heal against Madara, so we can't rule out the use of edo tensei by Tobirama.

In conclusion, based on the KNOWN facts, Mizukage wins, based on HYPE, Tobirama wins.

So what do you choose, KNOWN (possibly incomplete)facts or hype? ;-)

Awesome post + Rep

As for what you said, the Mizukage would most likely lose to Hashirama for many reasons

But one other thing is that Gaara didn't defeat the Mizukage, he gave them alll the info on his jutsu(s) and wasn't in control of his own body so his whole ability was shown (same as Nagato getting one shotted by Itachi).

 

[StrifeMaccy]

tobirama can detect where he is despite the genjutsu due to his location technique. We don't know if he is skilled in any other nature, and im sure that theres a strategy where tobirama forces him into solidifying so he can use taijutsu

 

[Cursed Prince]

As far as we have seen then yes, 2nd Mizukage wins

 

[joodaa]

Honestly I am not too sure, we have seen a lot of the 2nd miz but really not much of tobirama. However with all the hype surrounding tobirama and his clan it is no doubt he is pretty amazing.

Although it wouldn't be a walk in the park as the 2nd miz did kill Muu (even the Muu killed him also). With this in consideration we have to assume the miz is also very amazing himself, but I still think tobirama would win in the end with a slight chance that they both die.

 

[Cronos]

Well organized, only where did you get the information about his teleportaition in water?

Also since jounins need at least 2 elemental ckakra variations it's only logical to believe that he had something other than just water.

I'm not sure if the hydrifiaction jutsu can take big amounts of water against him. But alas i don't know about that,

You really found the perfect opponent against the second hokage^^ almost all water jutsus ineffektive(in theory) and immune against most other elemental variation except lightning... truly you did find a funny and exceptional opponents.

But i'm not sure if the mizukage is stronger than the hokage, he is probably just suited to fight him best of all.

 

[Arcaneos510X]

hey man checked your thread like i said but im sorry im a 2nd hookage supporter but my brain hurts thinkin of the battle that would unfold i love these thread they make me think and are just great its like the show deadliest warrior and naruto in 1 !
pure Awsomeness !

 

[Orochimagus]

Sadly, the Mizukage has had more screen time than Tobirama. We just can't even pit them against each other...At least not if we want to be fair about it.

If I am forced to decide, i'd still side with Tobirama though simply because he was Hokage. It takes great power to lead the most powerful village. Since Impure World Resurrection is an S-class jutsu, I will also assume that he had a max level of intellect (5). Add to this the fact that Tobirama was able to survive an attack from the Gold and Silver brothers...I just can't see the Mizukage faring well against those two.

 

[Dead Ninja]

I don't think we know enough about Tobirama to say that he would lose for sure.
To say either is ignorance.