Proof that Sasori + Third Raikage > Orochimaru and Gaara (Actual Explanation Inside)

[sandkazekage]

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3rd raikage and sasori wins(mid to high difficulty).

sasori generally is stronger than gaara but gaara s jutsu is the best counter. His shield is stronger than raikages and can t penetrated by sasori s attacks. His defence is automatic. Sasori has a lot of sneaking attacks. Gaara s sand can block them all.

3rd raikage is a problem because of his durabitity. Gaara and oro can t harm him.

if oro use edos then gaara-oro team wins(mid difficulty)

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

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Gaara and oro can t harm him.

they can lock him in sand or oro can summon hokages to help

 

[Hafiz Dembos]

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Well team sasori can only win if they are able to use the sealing pot effectively, otherwise I have to say NO.

 

[FizzyDrink]

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its shown over and over that was due to circumstance and not a true proof of gaaras weakness. chidori is meant to cut through anything but he got the reach because gaara was motionless with a thin layer of gourd sand, but also remember he had to run down a wall to get enough thrusting power. lee stated SRA gaara was pretty much stronger in every way. his sand got stronger and faster as he did.

Ok, so to this, yes, Gaara's sand has gotten stronger. But the 1 fingered hell stab is also FARRR more powerful than Sasuke's chidori. And you also must understand that Gaara's sand manipulation is almost certainly an earth based technique (I may be wrong and it's something else. But this is the most probable explanation). If we take into account that Gaara's sand is earth based, then that explains why Sasuke's chidori penetrated it. Similarly, it provides enough reason to believe that the 1 fingered hell stab would certainly penetrate it.

Another argument to this, would you say that Naruto's rasenshuriken can penetrate Gaara's Sand? Because if you do, then you also believe the 1 fingered hell stab can. If you don't understand the logic I'm using here, think on it for a moment.

gaara should be able to control it as he did gold.

Gaara DID control his father's gold, but ONLY after his father had been sealed. Clearly, his father's abilities to control it overpowered Gaara's ability to do the same. Hence, the Third Kazekage puppet's ability to control iron sand will trump Gaara's ability to control iron sand. Thus, this strategy, of mixing the sand, will come out in favor of Sasori.

back in part 1. its faster than ever. gaara blocked madara clones when he wasnt even looking in that direction or aware he had been attacked. so it was his mums auto defence that did it. raikages only good speed feat is dodging FRS twice.

The 3rd Raikage was faster than A. As a result, he can easily outmaneouver Gaara's sand, seeing as how A was barely slower than Minato. Gaara's sand will not be able to defend against that speed, let alone catch the Raikage.

whats stopping gaara from doing the same thing?

From what we've seen, Iron sand's destructive capabilities are FAR greater than that of Gaara's sand. Also, iron sand is held together with magnetism, the defense it forms would almost certainly be stronger than Gaara's. Thus, Gaara's sand would have less a chance of penetrating Iron sand than Iron sand has of penetrating Gaara's sand. If you want, I'll even call it a draw.

no it wont. first, gaara would immediately raise MULTIPLE defensive walls, as his attack isnt as fast as madaras yagatas, not as destructive as C3, and raikage cant build up the physical strength that madaras clones have. stop using part 1 as proof. gaaras changed.

You severely underestimate the 3rd Raikage's speed and power. It is certainly faster than a magatama, has massive destructive capabilities, and he is certainly physically stronger than a Madara clone. And as to C3, just because it didn't break Gaara's sand, doesn't mean that a raiton attack will. A piercing attack is far different than a blunt attack. I could throw a brick at a piece of cardboard and not break it, no matter how hard I throw the brick. Then I could take a dart and easily pierce the card board. It's all about the type of attack used, and the Raikage has the perfect attack to counter Gaara's sand defense. Also, as I mentioned earlier, the Raikage SHOULD have the elemental advantage.

why didnt he do this for chiyo? seems mighty conveniant that you can just make up powers for sasori when iron sand is heavier and therefore less likely to fly. also itd be the first time hes tried such a thing but gaaras done it in nearly every battle. raikage was caught by SM naruto, and dodged by dodai. his speed is overrated. defence and stamina is the problem.

This is just plain dumb on you're part, I'm sorry. Why didn't he levitate in that battle? I'll answer that. He didn't think he'd have to! Neither Chiyo nor Sakura could fly, and he clearly believed he could easily defeat them, so he wouldn't have needed to fly. And what are you trying to say about iron sand being too heavy to fly? If you read Sasori's battle against Chiyo and Sakura, the pictures CLEARLY show Sasori levitating Iron sand. If it's off the ground, it's "flying". It's no big stretch of the imagination to say that Sasori could simply stand on the sand while it levitates. I highly doubt Sasori is so heavy that he weighs down the sand.

And the Raikage's speed is not overrated. His speed is above that of A. A is INCREDIBLY fast. faster than Gaara's sand for sure. Which means that the 3rd Raikage is too. It's also a lot easier to dodge something when you see it coming.

gaara can trap him in a pyramid after oro weakens him with fuuton daitoppa. oro can summon edo hashirama and put him in darkness genjutsu. or gaara can suffocate raikage by blocking his windpipe via sand particles

Oro's attack wouldn't hit the Raikage, it's too slow. Gaara's attack won't catch the Raikage, it's too slow, and Sasori can levitate the Raikage. Iron sand defends the Raikage from Gaara's sand.

gaara can attack from every direction including below. theres not much defence against that.

What about Iron Sand? It can clearly create a powerful defense. And Gaara won't have the time to be on the offensive if he's constantly on the defensive. Sasori's sand would over power Gaara's, and force Gaara on defense, not allowing him to attack.

Face it! There's a team here that wins. And it's not Gaara and Oro.

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

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And you also must understand that Gaara's sand manipulation is almost certainly an earth based technique (I may be wrong and it's something else. But this is the most probable explanation). If we take into account that Gaara's sand is earth based, then that explains why Sasuke's chidori penetrated it. Similarly, it provides enough reason to believe that the 1 fingered hell stab would certainly penetrate it.

and if gaara takes to the air?

Another argument to this, would you say that Naruto's rasenshuriken can penetrate Gaara's Sand? Because if you do, then you also believe the 1 fingered hell stab can

rasenshuriken can be thrown

The 3rd Raikage was faster than A.

A has more and better speed feats

As a result, he can easily outmaneouver Gaara's sand

i dont see how you can avoid being attacked from every direction including your feet

A piercing attack is far different than a blunt attack. I could throw a brick at a piece of cardboard and not break it, no matter how hard I throw the brick

bad analogy as the bricks weight will punch through the cardboard. i can punch a piece of paper and punch through it. i can throw a pencil and it will just bounce off.

It's all about the type of attack used, and the Raikage has the perfect attack to counter Gaara's sand defense

the perfect attack is deidara's clay which is why he won. and mizukages oil to break the sand down.

hy didn't he levitate in that battle? I'll answer that. He didn't think he'd have to! Neither Chiyo nor Sakura could fly, and he clearly believed he could easily defeat them, so he wouldn't have needed to fly

ok lets assume he has perfect control over sand then, like gaara whos been USING IT ALL HIS LIFE.

Oro's attack wouldn't hit the Raikage, it's too slow.

as i said hes restrained by sand first

What about Iron Sand? It can clearly create a powerful defense.

its slow and sasori would start in hiruko meaning hed need to take out kazekage then take out iron sand. gaara already has his sand.

And Gaara won't have the time to be on the offensive if he's constantly on the defensive. Sasori's sand would over power Gaara's

gold didnt overpower it and theres alot more of gaaras sand attacking from every direction

 

[Stark]

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Agreed, but does Sasori or the 3rd have sealing techniques for Orochimarus Edo's?

 

[Lordofd100x]

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Real question is.. Who do you think will win?

 

[Lordofd100x]

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no

 

[Sunagura]

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sasori and third win in my eyes

 

[VisionOfDisorder]

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Great thread here! I'll come back and give a full opinion when I have more time !

 

[enuzuki]

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Nice thread as usual...Oh and so i got you killed the other night. Keep up the good work!

 

[Ultimate uzumaki form]

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No.

 

['Nāpalm]

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good stuff bro... I see you put a lot of effort into this ._.

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

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not really. he forgot half their abilities and didnt even give us a proper scenario to discuss.

 

[genii96]

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Gaara seals 3rd raikage and oro beats sasori.