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Re: Proof that Sasori + Third Raikage > Orochimaru and Gaara (Actual Explanation Insi

Im not gonna try and argue against your post because you post a good arguement...but the thing i dont understand is - why these chars? they are very random and no1 ever debates these characters against eachother.

Like you do a good analysis and summary of each characters techniques and how they would be applied in the battle, but

1. this should be in vs threads - not naruto discussion
- that would reduce randomness because people debate random stuff there all the time haha
2. you missed edo and rashemon summon for oro, + sasori is not as good as u make him out to be IMO

3rd raikage > gaara for obv reasons tho so yeah not much debate there ahah

overall, good job and a lot of effort, but why always so random??

make a thread like Itachi + naruto vs Pein + sasuke
or something that would be relevant haha o_O
 

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Re: Proof that Sasori + Third Raikage > Orochimaru and Gaara (Actual Explanation Insi

i will go with oros team garaa can take sasori with mid diffuclty his sand is faster than A so its faster than the raikage meaning it can hit both sasori and the raikage before they have time to react, when the sand hits them he can use giant sand burial killing them both, if you think that wont work then garaa can use a giant sand tsunami combined with oros 10000 snake formation fused together meaning the snakes are inside the tsunami i would write more but i have to eat dinner
 

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Re: Proof that Sasori + Third Raikage > Orochimaru and Gaara (Actual Explanation Insi

I believe that Sasori and The Third Raikage would take this U_U
Raikage's speed avoids the snakes as well as his defense
The defense also goes for Sasori I think that his puppets would be able to hold of the snakes or atleast some of them so they can get in a decent attack
Very close fight though xd
 

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Re: Proof that Sasori + Third Raikage > Orochimaru and Gaara (Actual Explanation Insi

First off, Welcome back! Welcome back!! Weeellcoooomme baaack!!! Its nice to see you're back posting these versus threads we all enjoy so much.. and what better match up than these four ninja. I mean woah! This has to be one of the most random/unique battles I've seen from you yet.

I would honestly love to see this fight in the anime! It would be epic on so many levels!

I'm gonna go with Team Raikage on this one. Buuuuuuut as always I'll explain my reasoning with a quick rundown.

I believe the fight would be a long one. A lot of back and forth before we see any real advantages from either team. After a while I think Sasori will end up dieing by the hands of Gaara with Orochimaru probably pulling a b*tch move on Sasori first though. Lol then it will be the Raikage by himself. BUT the duo must have done a decent amount of damage to both Oro and Gaara before Sasori died. So at this point the third Raikage, the Tank, will kill Orochimaru. Plain and simple. Yeah.. I said it. And what?! xd haha and after that the worn out Gaara will try defending himself as long as possible, but I can't help to say, that I believe the Raikage will be just too strong for our good ol' sandman friend, and eventually (after a drawn out battle) the Raikage will kill Gaara.
The end.. :D lol

Just my opinion on things.. :)

Truth be told though, Orochimaru and Gaara is such a crazy combination that if they were actually working together (which, for some reason I can't see Oro cooperating with that idea) and forming team attacks and combining jutsus, it really could go either way. They would almost be damn near invincible to a lot of other shinobi. But you just HAD to match them up with the third Raikage huh? Lol I mean, c'mooon, the man is a mothalovin BEAST! The only way he is harmed is from his own hands. Lol that's someone I would have to bet my money on every time..... I mean, unless he's fighting Naruto that is.. ;) hahahahaa :p

Great post though NegativeKnight..
 

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Re: Proof that Sasori + Third Raikage > Orochimaru and Gaara (Actual Explanation Insi

Does anyone think Orochimaru would try to take Raikages perfect durable tank body?

And if he did try he would be able to?
 

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Re: Proof that Sasori + Third Raikage > Orochimaru and Gaara (Actual Explanation Insi

Here we go.

This seems a bit one-sided to me. But that's just me. Also, I need to ask: how do you pick the teams? Just random?

Tactics for Sasori + 3rd Raikage:

1. Sasori doesn't need to attach string to the Raikage. I would argue that he is about as fast as A, or at least he can keep up with SM/BM Naruto. Sasori seemed a tad slower. Putting string on him would be as useless as making him wear gloves so that he doesn't hurt his hands when he punches.

2. Yes Sasori would support Raikage with puppets. However, He won't get too much range as far as aerial distance goes, because as we know, the strings are not infinite. Oro's summon Manda can easily dispose of a few/most puppets. Gaara can also pretty much fly, depending on the terrain. So this seems to be a useless strategy at the moment.

3. Iron Sand World Order + Lightning would probably be the combination I would go for here, yes. I agree with that.

4. Final resort: why is this a final resort? I think the previous strategy should be considered more of a final resort.

Suggestion: Sasori is superior to Gaara IMO. His sand (at least) is superior so using Iron Sand from the beginning would pretty much counter anything Gaara will try to do. Third Raikage si fast and durable. I don't see how Oro cam surpass that. Gaara maybe, but not Oro. I'm thinking:
1. Raikage will wait for Sasori to release the Iron Sand in the air and then as Sasori attacks Gaara, Raikage can charge at Oro. No ammount of Oro summons can defeat Raikage, so he shouldn't have any problems. Sasori can beat Gaara, but if not, surely Raikage will be there on time to help him.
2. Sasori and Raikage wait in a defensive stance. Sasori aligns the puppets so that aerial attacks from either Oro or Gaara would be countered. If and WHEN Oro and Gaara will attack, then use the Iron Sand World Order to trap then and Raikage can pretty much synchronize with Sasori at that point and take the opposition out without much effort.

Oro and Gaara's tactics, in the order you mentioned them:

1. If they're fighting in the desert, you would argue that Gaara>Sasori. This doesn't change the fact that when Sasori attacks, Iron Sand>normal Sand. Oro's summons won't do much to Raikage, but he can hurt Sasori. Best idea here would be to retreat from the desert and lure Gaara out of his territory.

2. This one doesn't work. Chidori would penetrate Gaara's defense. An improved lightning user would obliterate it.

3. Gaara and Oro should stick to defending. If they attack, it's all over. I only see them winning in the desert.

4. Going up in the air is not a good idea. Sasori's got poison that can disperse in the air and with both Gaara and Oro not being able to fly and depending on the patch of sand Gaara is manipulating, they're pretty much sitting ducks in that case. A jump from Raikage or a stream of poison would finish the fight.

Conclusion: Sasori + Raikage take this. Oro and Gaara should stick to defense and then retreat.
Yeah this wasn't one of my best match ups, it could of been far better e.g. if i got a team like Konan + 3rd Tsuchikage for Sasori to go up against

My match ups are made by putting one Akatsuki and one Kage in a team, people didn't see the pattern in this one because i didn't state gaara as the fifth kazekage and orochimaru is a ex-akatsuki member

Nice analysis and yeah i agree the black lightning one could be a final resort in itself
 

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Re: Proof that Sasori + Third Raikage > Orochimaru and Gaara (Actual Explanation Insi

with gaara it greatly depends on prep time and location for how effective he is. if you give him a shitty location where he cant make new sand like kage summit hes bound to lose to third raikage.
i like how you ignore rashomon and edo tensei. dont say its not his power. if sasoris puppets are part of his power when they were destroyed, so is the previous kages. darkness genjutsu + mass of sand traps the third, mokuton helps hold him in place and gaara sinks him into the earth to die of suffocation.
Scrolls on Sasori's back allowed him to shoot powerful streams of fire whilst in his "Human Puppet" Form. This gave him a long range alternative to bombarding the opponent with a hundred puppets all at once, meaning they would also have to dodge fast moving superheated streams of fire along with the impending threat of being cut by the poisoned puppets meaning even a light scratch or stumble would indeed prove to be fatal.
katons are useless and considering oro is durable and gaara is highly defensively tough it will be useless. oro almost never uses his c-rank fuutons anyway.

Hiruko - Scorpion Puppet Armour
lol if sakuras punch was enough then surely gaaras crushing sand prison takes sasori out early on. starting in hiruko against these opponents is the worst idea sasori could possibly have
obtain Gaara's natural weakness of water
actually its oil. mizukage's oily suiton seeped through and broke down the sand.

Sasori had poisoned everything in his inventory meaning one scratch would first immobilize you and fully kill you within three days.
sasori had a hard time scratching chiyo and sakura. do you think hed draw blood from these two? even attacking oro wont do anything because he doesnt seem to bleed at all except when coughing it up when hes bedridden

Sasori's 100 Puppet army could be used to overwhelm Gaara's Ultimate Sand Defense due to the multiple directions they can attacks from as well as the sheer number of simultaneous assaults being made on him.
gaara SPECIALISES in being able to attack you from every direction including below. sasori will never get the opportunity to get his 100 puppets out. and oro can do the exact same thing with his kusanagi wielding ten thousand snakes

It also makes the Third Raikage reach a level of inhumane speed which can only be paralleled by mastery of the Space Time Ninjutsu on the level of Minato who could travel and teleport instantaneously. With this level of his speed he could overwhelm Gaara's Ultimate Sand Defense by landing a successful hit before it has a chance to react or landing a devastating blow on Orochimaru without giving time to react.
i think you mean 4th raikage in V2. third has no V2 and he dodged FRS but his attacking speed seems to be lacking as SM naruto dodged him and dodai reacted to him.

This is supported by the fact he tanked a Wind Style Rasen Shuriken even without his Lightning Release armour
you can still see the cracks in edo tensei and him regenerating from it. he lost his armour due to the force of such an attack
This can be used to pierce or severely weaken Gaara's Ultimate Sand Defense
if gaaras stupid enough to fight this guy on the ground. which he wont.

It can also be used as a deadly offensive against Manda (Oro's Summon) or even his Eight Headed Snake Transformation to decapitate it multiple times similar to how he cut off the Hachibi's Tails.
except against these kinds of opponents, oros snakes are little more than distractions.

Sealing Pot - Kohaku no Jōhei
if oro knows about it its useless.

Not much is known of this accept that is a very advanced version of lightning release techniques and it is black in colour. The exclusivity of the technique suggest its rarity and power.
then why bring it up? and its single use proves its chakra taxing. darui preferred storm release and basic lightning in his other fights.

This would act as Orochimaru's penultimate trump card in the fight with Sasori
wtf? no it wont. they are distractions only. they have no use against sasoris wood body or raikages armour

poisoned kusagni
how in the hell do you know?

Orochimaru can also transform into a giant white snake
as a last resort but i suppose that will work to take down the third. or gaaras sand suffocation.

not to mention he also rivaled the strength of Itachi's Susanno meaning this transformation gives him the ability to reach the levels of strength of that of a tailed beast.
no it doesnt and no it didnt. it got its ass cut the fuk up and sealed. it was helpless vs totsuka. and we barely know what it can do. all it does here is provide size to survive the attacks of 100 puppets and protect oro while he uses his edo hokages.

i like how you left out half of orochimarus other abilities. theres leech all creation where he fuses with an environment. this can be used to fuse to gaaras pyramid and avoid an attack from sasori or something. you mentioned fuuton. theres kage bunshin which he used against anko. theres many hidden shadow snake hands which he used against yamato and that springs forth snakes with poison bites from his body. theres rashomon absolute defence for tanking attacks. this intercepted a bijuudama and is stronger than the earth wall the alliance fodders used. theres curse seal which might give an opponent power but 9 times out of 10 its a poison killshot. theres kusanagi sword which can be used to dispatch sasori with gaaras help. only iron sand negates that. theres regular snake summons which he used vs team 7.

Gaara can control immense amounts of sand
yeah IN A DESERT or if given time to crush up enough sand. if your assuming the fight is in a desert, then...yeah.

and you forgot some of gaaras abilities again. theres sand hail missiles which had to be blocked by a gold dust wall. theres this city wide sand ocean to guard against any land based attack since its suspended in the air. theres the shukaku demon unless this is current gaara. lets say most powerful gaara possible in his prime. which would be w/ shukaku and in a desert. since yuo seem to be pushing for strongest versions of the other two and leave out edo fukin tensei. theres sand shunshin movement as shown here he can become sand and reappear as if hes teleported

Gaara is also able to create clones made of sand to assist him in battle.
you neglected to mention his clones dont disappear, they turn back into sand gaara can use as a weapon. and he can mindfuk opponents by henge'ing into someone they love


Sasori could attach chakra puppet strings similar to how Chiyo did with Sakura
chiyo only did that to keep sakura at the pace of the battle since she was slower than sasori. it actually works against sasori in this case

-Final Resort: Desert Suspension + Snake Rain Tsunami
thats an OPENING TACTIC not a final ultimate jutsu

I dont think that they have anything strong enough to break the third raikages lightning armor!
they dont need to. darkness genjutsu from edo hashirama then gaara sends a sandstorm at his face to suffocate him

Sasori is superior to Gaara IMO. His sand (at least) is superior so using Iron Sand from the beginning would pretty much counter anything Gaara will try to do.
gaara has more sand and is superior in his control and versatility. hes used it his whole life. sasori had third kazekage in battle rarely. hed just lift it above the magnetite like the gold. and attack from below again like the gold user.

Needless to say sasori takes Gaara
no he doesnt

Again Sakura could dodge it....which means with good taijutsu/movements you can dodge that
chiyo dodged it. she controlled sakura

ut I don't think it can go through Gaara's defence(it might weaken it but can't break through it)
that and the sand shunshin.

Even Enma, who is able to
transform into a diamond-hard
staff, stated that the Kusanagi blade
could damage him considerably
and it never did so meaning the hype was worthless.

This one doesn't work. Chidori would penetrate Gaara's defense. An improved lightning user would obliterate it.
there were circumstances that led to sasuke breaking gaaras defence.
1. gaara was focused on raising shukaku
2. sasuke ran down a wall to build up speed and thrusting power.
3. gaara was stationary. he has a more mobile fighting style as a 16 year old. as wel as much more experience in perfecting the kinks in his jutsu.

so using Iron Sand from the beginning would pretty much counter anything Gaara will try to do
iron sand is limited. but gaaras sand wil just keep on coming as he creates more underground.

Going up in the air is not a good idea. Sasori's got poison that can disperse in the air
it wont affect oro and gaara wont worry about it because gaaras ability to attack remains on the ground in his sand.
 
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Re: Proof that Sasori + Third Raikage > Orochimaru and Gaara (Actual Explanation Insi

they r more or less evenly matched (really hard to say who would win). Bt i would go fr the immortal man Oro. Winning also depends on the circumstances nd i i believe Oro is lot powerful than we till now saw(we have still seen the true extent of his healthy power). I believe he is stronger than Kabuto nd nearly as strong or a little less than Tobi. We would find that out soon.
 

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Re: Proof that Sasori + Third Raikage > Orochimaru and Gaara (Actual Explanation Insi

Good thread once again, i would put my money to third and sasori, third is beast, and even looks crazy ass f*** xd Medium Diff :)
 

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Re: Proof that Sasori + Third Raikage > Orochimaru and Gaara (Actual Explanation Insi

the third would be tough ,,, but sasori won't stand a chance
 

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Re: Proof that Sasori + Third Raikage > Orochimaru and Gaara (Actual Explanation Insi

I dont really know. If oro is not allowed to use Edo and gates then Id say Sasori x Raikage but if Oro can use Edo he can pretty much counter the puppets then again oro is terrible at Edo so :D:D...
 

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U forgot to add tht sand can clog the joints of puppets stopping thier movements therefor sasori majority of his moves r useless
-.-....
Gaara and orochimaru mid-high ( high only because of 3rd raikage) diff
 

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Re: Proof that Sasori + Third Raikage > Orochimaru and Gaara (Actual Explanation Insi

Orochimaru and Gaara win this one.

First and foremost poison would not work against them. Orochimaru would have the antidote. Hell, Orochimaru would probably have poison's that Sasori doesn't have antidotes to. Orochimaru has never been unprepared.

Gaara's sand would be able to block any and all poison attacks and could even sand barrier himself if he makes a cloud of smoke. He could even fly away.

For the battle aspect Gaara will be in the air and therefore third Raikage is useless against him.

Also, the maneuverability of Orochimaru and his style of charging at you and dodging will make it impossible for the third raikage to even hit him.

EDIT: Gaara's sand clogs puppets.

Final thoughts - Sasori is basically useless in this battle, and third raikage doesn't have anythign scary for oro and Gaara.
Only problem would be they can't hurt the third raikage either. So I think Gaara would have to make a giant sinkhole and just entomb him.
 

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Great thread as always.
However,I would first like to point out a few things.
1)It was said that the Raikage had a weakness towards fire,due to heat increasing electrical resistance.On contrary though,increase in temperature generally increases conductance(reciprocal of resistance) in non-metals,due to release of free electrons.
2)It was said that water would increase conduction between synapses.Water actually does not soak so deep into the body.
The transmission of electrical impulses is also ionic in nature.Water entering into the synapses would ironies and disturb the K-Na ion pump which operates therein.

I wanted to just point this out.Feel free to correct me if I am wrong.And I apologise if my picking holes in your argument has annoyed you.

3)It is my opinion that the Raikage does not 'conduct' electricity along his body for his armour,but rather continuously 'expels ' lighting natured chakra,which envelops his body.
4)It was said in the manga that 'the third Raikage was not known so much for his power and speed,as his stamina.Hence, though we have not seen a direct comparison(I think),it is likely that the third was slower than the fourth, who is known in the main for his speed and power.
5)Sasori attaching puppet strings to the Raikage would be counterproductive,as with his lightening release armor,his reflexes are most likely superior to Sasori's.
6)Sasori's 100 puppet attack cannot overwhelm Gãra's ultimate sand shield(gourd sand).Rather than numbers,it is the force or intensity of each hit that counts.A 100 attacks at once will not work because each small area of the sand is strong enough to.withstand the attack.This is supported by the picture posted;the sand has withstood all the attack of all those needles.
Also,there is not enough space for 100 puppets to attack Gãra at once,as his protective sphere is only so big.
7)The Raikage's amplified stab,stronger than the Chidori,should penetrate Gãra's sand,as Sasuke's Chidori did.
8)Gãra's sand defence is not instantaneous.It cannot react in time to counter the Raikage's movement;it couldn't counter Sasuke's or Lee's.
9) Orochimaru can regenerate or shed his skin multiple times,he did so in a weakened state against 4-tailed Naruto.

Keeping these in mind:

The best way to beat Gãra is to use his own automatic sand defence against him,like Diedara did.Sasori could mix poisoned iron sand with Gãra's sand.When Gãra forms a protective sphere around himself,the sand could be shaped into spikes which pierce Gãra.
The Raikage's biggest advantage is his durability,he can go all out against Gãra,while Sasori keeps Orochimaru occupied.
The remaining follows as Negative Knight said.Except Iron world order is likely to have little effect as Gãra can take Orochimaru into the air using his sand.

Sasori's Hiruko can be crushed by Manda or a large scale sand attack.
The 100 puppet attack is countered easily with sand tsunami.This also slows down the Raikage allowing Orochimaru to use large scale wind release to weaken the Raikage's armour.Sasori's fire doesn't last long either.
While Gãra attacks the Raikage with masses if sand,Manda could crush Sasori,and if he transfers into a weaker puppet,Orochimaru's extensible swords of Kusanagi in his 1000 shadow snakes justu could pierce Sasori's living core.
Sasori's puppet's joints can be clogged with sand,as Sasori clogged Chiyo's mother and father puppets.
Black panther could be stopped using Sãnjõ Rashõmon.
The real difficulty is the Raikage's armor and stamina.
Wind justu to weaken it,then sand to restrain the Raikage,followed by 1000 snakes Kusanagi would be a good option.
It the armour is removed then Orochimaru could use snakes to poison the Raikage.
Orochimaru's ability to regenerate after lethal blows poses a similar challenge to team Raikage. Remember,no one has actually managed to kill Orochimaru before.
A tough contest,but I would say Team Kazekage takes this mainly due to Orochimaru's
versatility and regeneration ability and Gaara's ability to use his sand in large scale attacks, larger than Sasori's, whose supply is limited.But the Raikage could equally win it for his team.
 
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Re: Proof that Sasori + Third Raikage > Orochimaru and Gaara (Actual Explanation Insi

Great thread as always.
However,I would first like to point out a few things.
1)It was said that the Raikage had a weakness towards fire,due to heat increasing electrical resistance.On contrary though,increase in temperature generally increases conductance(reciprocal of resistance) in non-metals,due to release of free electrons.
2)It was said that water would increase conduction between synapses.Water actually does not soak so deep into the body.
The transmission of electrical impulses is also ionic in nature.Water entering into the synapses would ironies and disturb the K-Na ion pump which operates therein.

I wanted to just point this out.Feel free to correct me if I am wrong.And I apologise if my picking holes in your argument has annoyed you.

3)It is my opinion that the Raikage does not 'conduct' electricity along his body for his armour,but rather continuously 'expels ' lighting natured chakra,which envelops his body.
4)It was said in the manga that 'the third Raikage was not known so much for his power and speed,as his stamina.Hence, though we have not seen a direct comparison(I think),it is likely that the third was slower than the fourth, who is known in the main for his speed and power.
5)Sasori attaching puppet strings to the Raikage would be counterproductive,as with his lightening release armor,his reflexes are most likely superior to Sasori's.
6)Sasori's 100 puppet attack cannot overwhelm Gãra's ultimate sand shield(gourd sand).Rather than numbers,it is the force or intensity of each hit that counts.A 100 attacks at once will not work because each small area of the sand is strong enough to.withstand the attack.This is supported by the picture posted;the sand has withstood all the attack of all those needles.
Also,there is not enough space for 100 puppets to attack Gãra at once,as his protective sphere is only so big.
7)The Raikage's amplified stab,stronger than the Chidori,should penetrate Gãra's sand,as Sasuke's Chidori did.
8)Gãra's sand defence is not instantaneous.It cannot react in time to counter the Raikage's movement;it couldn't counter Sasuke's or Lee's.
9) Orochimaru can regenerate or shed his skin multiple times,he did so in a weakened state against 4-tailed Naruto.

Keeping these in mind:

The best way to beat Gãra is to use his own automatic sand defence against him,like Diedara did.Sasori could mix poisoned iron sand with Gãra's sand.When Gãra forms a protective sphere around himself,the sand could be shaped into spikes which pierce Gãra.
The Raikage's biggest advantage is his durability,he can go all out against Gãra,while Sasori keeps Orochimaru occupied.
The remaining follows as Negative Knight said.Except Iron world order is likely to have little effect as Gãra can take Orochimaru into the air using his sand.

Sasori's Hiruko can be crushed by Manda or a large scale sand attack.
The 100 puppet attack is countered easily with sand tsunami.This also slows down the Raikage allowing Orochimaru to use large scale wind release to weaken the Raikage's armour.Sasori's fire doesn't last long either.
While Gãra attacks the Raikage with masses if sand,Manda could crush Sasori,and if he transfers into a weaker puppet,Orochimaru's extensible swords of Kusanagi in his 1000 shadow snakes justu could pierce Sasori's living core.
Sasori's puppet's joints can be clogged with sand,as Sasori clogged Chiyo's mother and father puppets.
Black panther could be stopped using Sãnjõ Rashõmon.
The real difficulty is the Raikage's armor and stamina.
Wind justu to weaken it,then sand to restrain the Raikage,followed by 1000 snakes Kusanagi would be a good option.
It the armour is removed then Orochimaru could use snakes to poison the Raikage.
Orochimaru's ability to regenerate after lethal blows poses a similar challenge to team Raikage. Remember,no one has actually managed to kill Orochimaru before.
A tough contest,but I would say Team Kazekage takes this mainly due to Orochimaru's
versatility and regeneration ability and Gaara's ability to use his sand in large scale attacks, larger than Sasori's, whose supply is limited.But the Raikage could equally win it for his team.
That was actually a pleasure to read xd, i didn't find it annoying but good to find a productive post that made me think and re-think

My point about the water + the lightning was that it would improve conductivity once it came into contact

Everything else you said remains really valid, you honestly seem like someone who would do well in a debate +rep
 

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Re: Proof that Sasori + Third Raikage > Orochimaru and Gaara (Actual Explanation Insi

Honestly, it looks like a fair match up at first glance, but in reality it's not that fair at all. Sasori and the Raikage take this without a doubt.

First off, the Raikages attacks would without a doubt pierce Gaara's sand shields. Sasuke's chidori was once able to do it, and the 1 fingered attack of the Raikage would certainly get the job done.

Secondly, neither Oro nor Gaara have the speed too catch the Raikage, nor could they catch Sasori. Why? Sasori's iron sand cancels out pretty much all of Gaara's advantages. Even Gaara/Oro's final resort attack would fail because the Iron sand would allow Sasori to levitate himself and the Raikage to safety. Similarly, the iron sand provides a stronger offense and defense than Gaara's sand.

Oro in reality would just do what he can to not get killed. The only possible way for him to do any harm is to poison the Raikage with his blood. That is honestly one of the few ways he and Gaara could take the upper hand.

There is really not much Oro and Gaara can do. They have inferior speed, which means that their attacks would be rendered useless, and they have inferior defenses, which can be defeated either with time (Oro's shedding) or with power (Raikages one finger > Gaara's sand). And finally, they have no real combinations attacks that could succeed, whereas the Raikage and Sasori each could possible solo the opposition.
 

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Re: Proof that Sasori + Third Raikage > Orochimaru and Gaara (Actual Explanation Insi

That was actually a pleasure to read xd, i didn't find it annoying but good to find a productive post that made me think and re-think

My point about the water + the lightning was that it would improve conductivity once it came into contact

Everything else you said remains really valid, you honestly seem like someone who would do well in a debate +rep
Yes,I agree with your point about water increasing conduction.It was just the explanation that I disagreed with slightly.
Forgot to mention that.
And thanks!
 
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