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Re: Proof that Sasori + Third Raikage > Orochimaru and Gaara (Actual Explanation Insi

This is great....well I feel orochimaru n gaara take this(without edo tensei)...........ill post my reason in some time.....need to prepare it:p
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Re: Proof that Sasori + Third Raikage > Orochimaru and Gaara (Actual Explanation Insi

Orochimaru and Gaara would still win even without edo tensei. With Edo Tensei Orochimaru and Gaara would dominate.
 
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Re: Proof that Sasori + Third Raikage > Orochimaru and Gaara (Actual Explanation Insi

Very, very well made (as always). I wish I could lean towards Orochimaru and Gaara for obvious reasons, but I can't. 3rd Raikage and Sasori are just an overwhelming team. Orochimaru would have to shed his skin multiple times and his chakra would eventually give out. And because dying is the last thing he wants he'd probably bail out and leave Gaara alone xd
Anyway, I give it to Sasori and 3rd Raikage high dif.
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Good to have you back bro, I've missed these threads. In this case, I think Sasori and the Third Raikage take this. Sasori can use the iron sand, and if gold dust had the advantage because of its weight, iron sand will too. Although, Gaara may be more skilled with it, that in conjuction with the Raikage's lighting will be too much IMO. All of these characters have insane defences so it will be a hard fought match but a combination of the Raikage's strength and stamina and the sheer range of different tricks have, team Raikage takes this IMO.
Thanks guys and yeah my holiday kind of over ran xd

At first i thought that Sasori + the Raikage was overkill and such a unbalanced match but when you really analyze the abilites and strength levels of the Fifth Kazekage and Orochimaru you actually see either side winning the match
 

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Re: Proof that Sasori + Third Raikage > Orochimaru and Gaara (Actual Explanation Insi

No Edo Tensei and Triple Rashomon Gates for Orochimaru?

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Re: Proof that Sasori + Third Raikage > Orochimaru and Gaara (Actual Explanation Insi

Hm, well, I can see both teams winning, depending on which moves they play out. It's an interesting combination of partners.
Although I have a remark: you said Gaara would have trouble, even with his sand forming a 'cage' around him, to defend himself against the 100 puppet attack from Sasori. I'm not so sure if he would have trouble with that. Obviously his shield is very strong and could probably withstand the multiple attacks.
Plus Gaara could form an eye outside his shell to make sure he could follow the fight and try to search for an opening.
And if he's in a sandy area, all that sand would give him an advantage because he could use the sand from his gourd to shield him from attacks (like during the fight with Deidara) and use the other sand to attack.
Well, at least that's how I see it ^^;
 

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Re: Proof that Sasori + Third Raikage > Orochimaru and Gaara (Actual Explanation Insi

sasori and orochimaru are pretty evenly matched imo. third raikage is stronger than gaara. so yes sasori and the third raikage would win.
 

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Re: Proof that Sasori + Third Raikage > Orochimaru and Gaara (Actual Explanation Insi

Oro is immune to all poison. He can regenerate normally,he has manda,he has edo tensei,he has multiple snake summons as well. He can use fuuton as well. Naruto alreadu said gaara's defence was greater that the raikage's. Also 8 headed serpant mode will cruch sasori,no contest while his edos and gaara finish the raikage. His body is as hard as steel,well gaara's sand can crush tempered steel casually now. Sasori's iron sand is below gold dust,which gaara quickly overpowered with his sand. A weakened oro used his rebirth multiple times without any issues. Gaara can seal the raikage with a pyramid,he isnt anywhere as fast as his son. Gaara and oro win mid diff.
 

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Re: Proof that Sasori + Third Raikage > Orochimaru and Gaara (Actual Explanation Insi

I dont think that they have anything strong enough to break the third raikages lightning armor!
 

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Re: Proof that Sasori + Third Raikage > Orochimaru and Gaara (Actual Explanation Insi

I have a problem with anyone who says that Sasori and Lord Orochimaru are evenly matched! Are u ****ing kidding!!!!
Needless to say sasori takes Gaara Orochimaru cleans up the after Gaara weakens him and of course the Raikage I think Oro could take him with various defense tactics like the walls or even by using edo tensie to summon the first and second Hokage etc...
 

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Re: Proof that Sasori + Third Raikage > Orochimaru and Gaara (Actual Explanation Insi

I dont think that they have anything strong enough to break the third raikages lightning armor!
I think if Orochimaru summoned Madara he could break his armor with PS and or use one of the paths to suck out his chakra or soul!
 

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Re: Proof that Sasori + Third Raikage > Orochimaru and Gaara (Actual Explanation Insi

I feel team oro take this cuz

Firstly,remember that Gaara is a long range fighter,Orochimaru can fight any range(he has jutsus for all the ranges)
While sasori is a mid-range fighter,Raikage fights mid-short range.period.


COUNTERs for individual jutsus

Sasori's powerful fire releases:
Gaara with his sand can easily defend against any fire technique so this wouldn't really be a problem.Gaara has his ultimate defence with him so yeah he won't be hurt:p
As for oro,gaara can lend/have his sand surrounded by oro all the time for defence purposes......even if oro gets hit by it he can easily shed his skin.....lol

Third Kazekage's iron sand
Well this could be a tough one.......but as far as the jutsus that uses iron sand are concerned......
1.the jutsu with all spikes (lol....I dunno the name xd)
A good taijutsu user can easily evade this attack.orochimaru can simply extend his body parts(like elastic girl)and avoid his attacks.As far as Gaara is concerned,he can concentrate his sand n break the spikes(now don't tell me you can't break iron rod with loads of concentrated sand)
2.the jutsu with the metal blocks(that's not my creation xd)
Again Sakura could dodge it....which means with good taijutsu/movements you can dodge that.....Gaara could fly which should make it easier for him n oro to dodge it easily.....(dodging while flying i.e. in three dimention is easier than in two dimension i.e. while on the ground)

298 puppets
Gaara can easily take out all of sasori's puppets(fodder puppets:p)by using sand tsunami.it doesn't really matter if sasori can control 10,100or 1000 puppets....unless they have some qualities like the Kazekage puppet.....they can al be taken down easily by Gaara

Lethal poison weapons:
Oro is resistant to most of the poison and Gaara's defence won't allow poisoning through needles atleast:p
Even if they get hit oro CAN get an antidote for it(though it would be difficult)

Hell stab technique:
A dangerous jutsu indeed......but I don't think it can go through Gaara's defence(it might weaken it but can't break through it) n if Gaara goes air borne chances of getting hit diminishes further

Sealing pot:
Orochimaru would be having intel of this pot(he is a character in narutoverse who literally knows everything)
So its nearly impossible to fool him with this.

Black Lightening panther:advanced lightening?
In that case this should be a mid-long range attack......oro's counter:
Summoning roshomon
This summons forth a gate that is
capable of blocking almost any
attack.
It is believed that two people are
required to summon it, however,
Orochimaru was able to summon
three of these gates by himself with
his Summoning: Triple Rashōmon .


Now, this was if they were to defend.....
 

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Re: Proof that Sasori + Third Raikage > Orochimaru and Gaara (Actual Explanation Insi

ATTACKS

Orochimaru's summon:
Oro can summon Manda to fight alongside himself.with the help of Manda oro can go underground n surprise attack his opponent n catch them offguard.....

Kusanagi sword:
The sword can extend its blade to
attack from long distances, levitate in
the air according to Orochimaru's
command, and cut through almost
anything. Even Enma, who is able to
transform into a diamond-hard
staff, stated that the Kusanagi blade
could damage him considerably.This weapon can be used to defeat Raikage since oro can levitate it in the air n needs no direct contact

Eight branches technique:
This is Orochimaru's greatest and
strongest technique. Using the
"power of reincarnation" possessed
by the White Snake as an
intermediary, he can transform into
a giant white serpent with eight
heads and eight tails. The serpent
boasts a giant body, even larger
than that of Manda , who was feared
as the "strongest colossal serpent".
Just by crawling on the scales of its
abdomen it was able to trample the
Uchiha hideout, and could destroy
most things without difficulty. This
technique transcends the "Snake",
and becomes like a "Dragon God".
When using this technique,
Orochimaru can emerge from the
mouth of one of the heads and use
his Sword of Kusanagi to attack,
even without a host.

Formation of 10000 snakes:
With this technique, a countless
number of summoned snakes crawl
out of Orochimaru 's mouth and
hunt down the enemy. With such
overwhelming numbers, a true "wall
of snakes" is formed, making
defence and evasion meaningless.
The enemy can do nothing but
become buried by the snakes. The
snakes can bite the enemy with their
poison fangs and open their
mouths to extend Kusanagi -like
blades, making them even more
deadly. Furthermore, when the
inexhaustibly crawling snakes gather
together, they become a defensive
wall, and can block any kind of
attack.If Raikage gets hit by this technique,he is sure to die as the snakes would also bite him in his weakest spot(in the chest)

Large scale sand release techniques:
With this ability Gaara can easily crush sasori under his Sand.....say if sasori manages to remain alive cuz of his armour,atleast this jutsu will make sure that sasori remains unable to move

Sensory sand capabilities:
The name says it all......along with third eye Gaara can manipulate his sand to know about the hidden enemy's location

With all these jutsu I feel orochimaru n Gaara can win it except if the location is a closed one (like sasori vs chiyo,sakura)

N u know the funny part?orochimaru is invincible (he can't be killed permanently)
So how are they gonna defeat him?xd
Sorry for the double post but it was kinda long.....lol
 
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Re: Proof that Sasori + Third Raikage > Orochimaru and Gaara (Actual Explanation Insi

Interesting.
But Team 2 takes this.
Although 3rd Raikage has a durable body, that is all the more for Orochimaru to want to take Raikages body, which we know Oro can accomplish. Now inagune Orochimaru with 3rd Raikages body. + Oro has Edo Tensei which he can bring back 1st and 2nd Hokages.

I feel Gaara can sneak some sand into Sasori's puppet body to crush Sasori's heart. Gaara can dislocate the joints of numerous puppets to stop movements.
 

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Re: Proof that Sasori + Third Raikage > Orochimaru and Gaara (Actual Explanation Insi

Combined Tactics for Sasori and the Third Raikage

-Attaching Chakra Puppet Strings to Third Raikage
Sasori could attach chakra puppet strings similar to how Chiyo did with Sakura meaning the Third Raikage becomes a sentient puppet who possesses a pseudo shared field of vision with Sasori meaning he can react to close range attacks himself or react to attacks from blind spots with the aid of Sasori from a distance.

It also means that Sasori possess a extremely fast and durable puppet which can tank all of the attacks from Orochimaru and Gaara as well as the Third Raikage being able to avoid all sneak attacks from his blind spots.

-Aerial and Distance Support of 100 Puppets
Sasori can also support the Third Raikage from the skies by combating an airborne Gaara with his 100 Puppet army while he fights Orochimaru on the ground.

Alternatively he can also let the Third Raikage board the collective 100 Puppets to achieve a pseudo form of flight which would make fighting an airborne Gaara far simpler, it could also aid him when fighting Manda and Orochimaru's Eight Headed Snake Transformation.

-Iron Sand World Order + Black Lightning Electrocution
Sasori and the Third Raikage can also use a combined attack including both of their ultimate jutsus to create a devastating effect. Sasori's can use his World Order technique to create random branching spikes out of a massive iron sand structure then combine it with the Third Raikage's Black Lightning panther to conduct electricity along the entirety of the structure and electrocute anyone who touches any part of it.

Also the black lightning would eventually demagnetize the structure causing a mass of electrified poison soaked iron sand would fall on anyone below which can give the technique three different purposes which include: poisoning the opponent, electrocution and a iron sand burial.

-Final Resort: Third Raikage + 100 Puppets Swarm Assault​
This can be used as a final resort by Sasori and the Third Raikage in a last ditch effort to win the match regardless of the circumstance they are in. Sasori can unleash his puppet army of 100 who all possess poisoned weapons along with the Third Raikage joining the swarm with his lightning release armour activated.

With this they can overwhelm Gaara's Ultimate Sand Defense which would be incapable of defending against 101 simultaneous attacks from multiple different directions. Due to the lethality of Sasori's poison and the Third Raikage's strength even as little as one successful attacks breaking through Gaara's defense would prove to be fatal.

Combined with Sasori's streams of fire it could be used as a fatal combination against Orochimaru due to snakes natural weakness to intense heats could be used to have the overall effect of being able to create a opening for the Third Raikage to land a lethal hit as the 100 puppet army can be used to mask his movements.

Combined Tactics for Orochimaru and the Fifth Kazekage​

-Sand covered Terrain + Snake Underground Burrowing
Gaara can use a fairly large scale sand technique for the double purpose of attacking the opponent and covering the terrain in sand. This would allow him to sense Sasori and the Third Raikage wherever they are so he can still know where the Third Raikage is even when he's travelling at speeds too difficult to see.

Orochimaru can also use a sand covered terrain to his advantage as both his snakes and him in his White Snake Transformation would be able to utilize the sand through underground burrowing allowing for sneak attacks and a quick escape from Sasori's 100 puppet army.

-Insulation against Heated/Charged attacks(Lightning and Fire)
Gaara can also help Orochimaru defensively by covering his weaknesses to heat based attacks in his snake form. With his sand Gaara is able to insulate against the heat created by Sasori's streams of fire and the Third Raikage's lightning. He can also protect Orochimaru's summon Manda and any snake related transformation/summon that Orochimaru may perform.

-Defensive Capabilities: Ultimate Sand Defense + Snake Shedding
Both Gaara and Orochimaru have the fighting style suited to combat Sasori and the Third Raikage heavily offensive combat style which strive for one hit K.Os through the use of poison or sheer brute force. However there one hit K.Os won't be enough in this fight due to Orochimaru and Gaara possessing their own unique defenses.

Gaara's Ultimate Sand Defense is a involuntary and instantaneous protection from anything that would cause him harm meaning he can be protected against the Third Raikage's almost impossible to evade assaults and Sasori's sneak attacks which would be fatal and impossible to anticipate due to the intricacy of the design of his puppets.

Orochimaru's Snake Skin Shedding means that he is able to avoid damage from hits that would cause massive injuries or attacks that are impossible to evade. Both his clothes and injuries are fully restored at the cost of a huge amount chakra meaning its a method only to be used to escape highly damaging or fatal hits from the Third Raikage. Also due to his immunity/extremely high resistance to poisons means that Sasori's main offensive isn't much of a threat to him.

-Final Resort: Desert Suspension + Snake Rain Tsunami​
Gaara can use his Desert Suspension in a similar style to how he did in the Kimimaro fight to elevate himself and Orochimaru into the air. From that range Gaara can use Sand Tsunmai to create a immense amount of sand to crush/restrain Sasori and the Third Raikage in.

Even if they manage the first wave of this combination attack Orochimaru can a rain down 10000 snakes which would be almost impossible to dodge due to the sheer range of the technique which would bury them in a mass of poisonous creatures. However due to the Sasori being a puppet and the Raikage being too durable neither would be poisoned by the snakes.

The snakes can also burrow into the now snake covered terrain to act as a permanent defense whilst also being to overwhelm them with sneak attacks from all directions due to there being 10000 snakes.
Here we go.

This seems a bit one-sided to me. But that's just me. Also, I need to ask: how do you pick the teams? Just random?

Tactics for Sasori + 3rd Raikage:

1. Sasori doesn't need to attach string to the Raikage. I would argue that he is about as fast as A, or at least he can keep up with SM/BM Naruto. Sasori seemed a tad slower. Putting string on him would be as useless as making him wear gloves so that he doesn't hurt his hands when he punches.

2. Yes Sasori would support Raikage with puppets. However, He won't get too much range as far as aerial distance goes, because as we know, the strings are not infinite. Oro's summon Manda can easily dispose of a few/most puppets. Gaara can also pretty much fly, depending on the terrain. So this seems to be a useless strategy at the moment.

3. Iron Sand World Order + Lightning would probably be the combination I would go for here, yes. I agree with that.

4. Final resort: why is this a final resort? I think the previous strategy should be considered more of a final resort.

Suggestion: Sasori is superior to Gaara IMO. His sand (at least) is superior so using Iron Sand from the beginning would pretty much counter anything Gaara will try to do. Third Raikage si fast and durable. I don't see how Oro cam surpass that. Gaara maybe, but not Oro. I'm thinking:
1. Raikage will wait for Sasori to release the Iron Sand in the air and then as Sasori attacks Gaara, Raikage can charge at Oro. No ammount of Oro summons can defeat Raikage, so he shouldn't have any problems. Sasori can beat Gaara, but if not, surely Raikage will be there on time to help him.
2. Sasori and Raikage wait in a defensive stance. Sasori aligns the puppets so that aerial attacks from either Oro or Gaara would be countered. If and WHEN Oro and Gaara will attack, then use the Iron Sand World Order to trap then and Raikage can pretty much synchronize with Sasori at that point and take the opposition out without much effort.

Oro and Gaara's tactics, in the order you mentioned them:

1. If they're fighting in the desert, you would argue that Gaara>Sasori. This doesn't change the fact that when Sasori attacks, Iron Sand>normal Sand. Oro's summons won't do much to Raikage, but he can hurt Sasori. Best idea here would be to retreat from the desert and lure Gaara out of his territory.

2. This one doesn't work. Chidori would penetrate Gaara's defense. An improved lightning user would obliterate it.

3. Gaara and Oro should stick to defending. If they attack, it's all over. I only see them winning in the desert.

4. Going up in the air is not a good idea. Sasori's got poison that can disperse in the air and with both Gaara and Oro not being able to fly and depending on the patch of sand Gaara is manipulating, they're pretty much sitting ducks in that case. A jump from Raikage or a stream of poison would finish the fight.

Conclusion: Sasori + Raikage take this. Oro and Gaara should stick to defense and then retreat.
 

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Re: Proof that Sasori + Third Raikage > Orochimaru and Gaara (Actual Explanation Insi

If orochimaru is using edo then his squad wins but
no edo then sasori team got this with mid diffcult
I dont see garra holding his own against the 3rd raikage. sasori posion will be a problem for him and he fights at a distance too and i think he is a better long range fighter.
 

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Re: Proof that Sasori + Third Raikage > Orochimaru and Gaara (Actual Explanation Insi

Well written and explained as always... And my opinion is the third raikage can solo xD
 

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Re: Proof that Sasori + Third Raikage > Orochimaru and Gaara (Actual Explanation Insi

Shouldn't Edo Tensei be apart of Oro's abilities? If Edo Tensei is included, I'll give it to team Kazekage. If not, Team Raikage.
 
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