Proof that Kisame and Second Mizukage > Kakuzu and Muu (Actual Explanation Inside)

[gordo1]

Re: Proof that Kisame and Second Mizukage > Kakuzu and Muu (Actual Explanation Inside

Great thread. Great analysis and logic. +Rep to you

 

[raju22]

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It looks like people are deluded about Kisame's ability to take chakra, he can not take chakra out of a direct Ninjutsu attack even when he is fused with Samehadha in manga it was shown here....

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It was a defensive jutsu Bee used while he was INSIDE his Water dome, If Kisame could take chakra away from a Ninjutsu he should be able to disperse that cloud of ink by taking chakra out of it but he was forced to use his sensory ability because he can not absorb direct Ninjutsu.

hmm... not sure whether or not you are laughing at me or with me!... haha
But anyway, it seems that we share the same opinion on the matter, which is that Samahada cannot absorb chakra in the form om ninjutsu, let it be flames or whatever

I was not laughing at you i was supporting you.

 

[Satoru Shinsuke]

Re: Proof that Kisame and Second Mizukage > Kakuzu and Muu (Actual Explanation Inside

Very nice thread, great detail.

 

[SSW Imp]

Re: Proof that Kisame and Second Mizukage > Kakuzu and Muu (Actual Explanation Inside

It looks like people are deluded about Kisame's ability to take chakra, he can not take chakra out of a direct Ninjutsu attack even when he is fused with Samehadha in manga it was shown here....

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

It was a defensive jutsu Bee used while he was INSIDE his Water dome, If Kisame could take chakra away from a Ninjutsu he should be able to disperse that cloud of ink by taking chakra out of it but he was forced to use his sensory ability because he can not absorb direct Ninjutsu.






I was not laughing at you i was supporting you.

You don't remember when Samehada cut throughthat grand fire ball. It absorbed a direct ninjutsu, and I don't think that the ink was ninjustu at all. Octupus do shootout ink natural to get away from predators

 

[Cascade]

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yet another thread to be jealous of you for good work man
one thing...this is a vs thread...so it should go in vs thread section...not dissing the thread
just letting you know about place ment
:hehe:

+rep mate, solid effort'

edit: cant plus rep atm, but will when possible

 

[raju22]

Re: Proof that Kisame and Second Mizukage > Kakuzu and Muu (Actual Explanation Inside

You don't remember when Samehada cut throughthat grand fire ball. It absorbed a direct ninjutsu, and I don't think that the ink was ninjustu at all. Octupus do shootout ink natural to get away from predators

I do not see Samehadha cutting through any high LVL Ninjutsu, if you are talking about Edo Itachi's fireball jutsu then let me tell you that it was a c rank jutsu and Samehadha screamed in pain when it slightly touched it, all of Kakuzu's Jutsu are B rank or higher.

The ink creation is categorized as Ninjutsu exclusive to Gyuki.

 

[Zayon Uchiha]

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It's not the dome itself that absorbs chakra, but kisame when he touches you.
But since you can't really escape from him when you're inside it, due to kisames speed and the fact that the dome always moves with kisame in the center, you will surely have all you chakra taken when you are caught in it.

isn't it when he uses his sword, and you charging your chakra, his sword can eat the chakra giving him more chakra. :shrug:

 

[edo x edo]

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I was not laughing at you i was supporting you.

Thanks m8

EDIT you my good sir, have just received +rep for your support!

 

[Zayon Uchiha]

Re: Proof that Kisame and Second Mizukage > Kakuzu and Muu (Actual Explanation Inside

I do not see Samehadha cutting through any high LVL Ninjutsu, if you are talking about Edo Itachi's fireball jutsu then let me tell you that it was a c rank jutsu and Samehadha screamed in pain when it slightly touched it, all of Kakuzu's Jutsu are B rank or higher.

The ink creation is categorized as Ninjutsu exclusive to Gyuki.

Haha nice!

 

[edo x edo]

Re: Proof that Kisame and Second Mizukage > Kakuzu and Muu (Actual Explanation Inside

isn't it when he uses his sword, and you charging your chakra, his sword can eat the chakra giving him more chakra. :shrug:

But the sword have to touch the chakra in order to absorb it, and when kisame and samehada merges, its kisames that has to touch the chakra in order to absorb it. Bee did not loose any chakra when he was in the dome, until the moment he clashed with, and thereby touched, kisame.

 

[EYES OF ITACHI]

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kakazu and the 2nd hands down
nice tread as usual

 

[raju22]

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But the sword have to touch the chakra in order to absorb it, and when kisame and samehada merges, its kisames that has to touch the chakra in order to absorb it. Bee did not loose any chakra when he was in the dome, until the moment he clashed with, and thereby touched, kisame.

I watched it again and it is true, i forgot about it, This nullifies the claim that Kisame will absorb any attack which touches his Water dome, good job +Rep.

 

[Zayon Uchiha]

Re: Proof that Kisame and Second Mizukage > Kakuzu and Muu (Actual Explanation Inside

But the sword have to touch the chakra in order to absorb it, and when kisame and samehada merges, its kisames that has to touch the chakra in order to absorb it. Bee did not loose any chakra when he was in the dome, until the moment he clashed with, and thereby touched, kisame.

Ok that's all I wanted to know cus I wasnt sure about it

 

[edo x edo]

Re: Proof that Kisame and Second Mizukage > Kakuzu and Muu (Actual Explanation Inside

I watched it again and it is true, i forgot about it, This nullifies the claim that Kisame will absorb any attack which touches his Water dome, good job +Rep.

Thanks for the rep!

The only problem I can see is that the jutsu has to hit/touch kisame in order to affect or kill him, so if the jutsu can affect him, he might be able to absorb it.
However, as earlier stated he most likely will not be able to absorb a jutsu in the form of something other than chakra.

 

[massivetrouble]

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Team Mizukage vs Team Tsuchikage ​

As with my previous thread is a new variation in my Kage vs Kage Threads by including any shinobi that are Akatsuki or Jinchurikis and pairing them with a Kages/Sannins to create more diversity and strategic play in fights.

This is a thread highlighting the strength of Kisame and the Second Mizukage but unlike my other threads it has no bias, and is therefore showing why either team could win. Simply you just ignore the title as I wrote it that way for people to recognize it was one of my threads.


great work as usual man...i'm like ur fan bro....keep up the good work +rep






Strengths and Weaknesses of the Mizukage's Hozuki Transformation

Strengthened by Water techniques as they increase the overall volume of the user of the technique.

Immunity to Wind Techniques as they only work if of a massive magnitude against a increased volume Hozuki user.

Immunity to Earth Techniques as they are solid and usually require the user to hit the opponent directly. Earth traps will also fail as the user can simply seep out of the technique.

Immunity to most fire techniques as the Water > Fire nature of things, but there are exceptions for certain fire techniques and fire release users.

Immunity to Lightning Techniques in his Oil Based Transformation due to oil being a natural insulator meaning he can theoretically eliminate all of this Jutsu’s weaknesses.

Weakness against very strong fire techniques as the intensity means the user evaporates the user or simply overwhelms the water based technique.

Severe Weakness against lightning when he is in his Water Based form as the whole user becomes a liquid (impure water) means that the Di-Charged nature of water (containing both positive and negative minerals) means that it conducts electricity so dangerous and efficiently means the user is electrocuted over and over as they are a complete circuit.

Combined Tactics for Kisame and the Second Mizukage​

-Fusion Mode Sensory abilities + Heat Sensing Clam
This would act as a perfect counter to Muu's invisibility as the Mizukage's clam would sense the heat generated by the Second's body (can't eliminate that) and Kisame's heightened senses would immediately detect his Chakra due to Samehada's natural affinity with it.

-Great Shark Water Bullet + Large Scale Mizukage Water Tech
Kisame and the Mizukage can also combine both of their most powerful projectile water based attacks by fueling Kisame's Great Shark water bullet meaning once it eats through the chakra of the Mizukage's greatest water technique it would become literally unstoppable even against Kakuzu's wind infused fire release techniques meaning it could potentially One hit K.O Kakuzu with Muu being forced to split.

-Steaming Danger Tyranny + Clam Genjutsu
The Mizukage could also activate his infinite exploding clone then immediately use his Clam Genjutsu on Kakuzu once Muu goes into the skies or purses Kisame effectively momentarily making the odds 2 vs 1, giving them enough time to overwhelm Muu by catching him in a Water Prison then returning to Kakuzu once the Tsuchikage has been killed.

-Final Resort:Water Prison Jutsu + Hydrification Technique​

This can be used as a combined final resort/trump card technique by Kisame and the Mizukage in which Kisame uses his Water Prison Jutsu while fusing with Samehada, then allowing the Mizukage to merge with the Water Prison creating a sentient body of water to support Kisame while he drowns Kakuzu and Muu whilst simultaneously attacking them to speed it up.

It would also make the Mizukage immense in size being able to tank Kakuzu's largest fire techniques without much difficulty then catching him in the immense prison (by moving towards him) and allowing Kisame to devour him.

Combined Tactics for Kakuzu and the Second Tsuchikage​

-Aerial Support from Large Scale Water Techniques
Muu could use his ability of flight in conjunction with his large scale Earth techniques to create a wall(s) large enough to endure Kisame's largest water techniques.

This would be useful for Kakuzu as the height of the terrain could be warped so that he's above them giving him optimum conditions to bombard them with elemental attacks.

-Dust Release + Large Scale Elemental Attacks
Muu could use Dust Release in conjunction with Kakuzu's 4 Hearts separated from him to overwhelm the opponents with these attacks eventually resulting in them to be forced into situtions where either Kakuzu or Muu would land a direct hit.

Kakuzu's Fire Release volleys would be devastating for the Mizukage as it would only increase his dehydration level, reduce his performance level meaning he could easily be hit by one of Muu's Jintons.

-Earth Technique: Iron Skin Hardening + Quake of Large Boulders
Kakuzu can also harden his skin to its utmost limits and when combined with his Earth Grudge Transformation he is a force to be reckoned with as his thousnads of threads can be used as a long range method to restrain Kisame and the Second Mizukage then allow Muu to drop immense rocks on all of them with Kakuzu being able to tank the boulders with the other two being crushed.

To ensure this method works Kakuzu could leave one of his hearts separate from him so if all of his hearts are indeed crushed it can re-enter his body and revive him.

-Final Resort: Terrain Warping Earth Techniques + Earth Grudge Fear ​

As a final resort Kakuzu could enter his Earth Grudge Fear integrating all of his hearts and masks into his body combined with Muu warping the terrain on a large scale with Earth Release techniques meaning the Mizukage and Kisame would have to avoid landing for extended periods of time.

This is made worse by Kakuzu would constantly pursue them from a distance and use elemental volleys to limit their movements with each attack that narrowly misses the Mizukage having the added effect of furthering his dehydration and ultimately lowering his performance.

His black threads could also be used to attempt to capture them while his masks act independently on his shoulders.

good work as always...i've like become ur fan bro +rep...

 

[nightfury028]

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dude . you always make the greatest threads. how many hours do u spent every thread?

 

[massivetrouble]

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dude . you always make the greatest threads. how many hours do u spent every thread?

i think all 24...lol

 

[raju22]

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Thanks for the rep!

The only problem I can see is that the jutsu has to hit/touch kisame in order to affect or kill him, so if the jutsu can affect him, he might be able to absorb it.
However, as earlier stated he most likely will not be able to absorb a jutsu in the form of something other than chakra.

NP,

I think if Kakuzu can electrify the water around Kisame then it should stall him, and give him enough shock, for Kakuzu to trap him with his string or deliver a lethel blow, His Raiton gian is a powerful Jutsu which took Kakashi, a raiton user himself to use an S rank Jutsu (Raikiri) in both hand's to cancel out, so chances are slim that Kisame can tank it, and then live to do something else.

 

[edo x edo]

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NP,

I think if Kakuzu can electrify the water around Kisame then it should stall him, and give him enough shock, for Kakuzu to trap him with his string or deliver a lethel blow, His Raiton gian is a powerful Jutsu which took Kakashi, a raiton user himself to use an S rank Jutsu (Raikiri) in both hand's to cancel out, so chances are slim that Kisame can tank it, and then live to do something else.

Exactly, he only need to slow kisame down.
Either that, or the shock would force kisame to lose the dome, and with that removing the only way for team kisame to win. however, I don't know the science behind kisames techniques, but just about every other caracters in naruto has lost their jutsus when hit. For example naruto looses his kage bunshins when the main body i hit

 

[Zayon Uchiha]

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dude . you always make the greatest threads. how many hours do u spent every thread?

lol that's funny, but yea he spends some time making pretty good threads!