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Proof that Kisame and Second Mizukage > Kakuzu and Muu (Actual Explanation Inside)
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Re: Proof that Kisame and Second Mizukage > Kakuzu and Muu (Actual Explanation Inside
you forgot to take the 2nd mizukages genjutsu into play. i personally like muu better but i think genjutsu would be a game changer. other than that, there is nothing that i can really add haha you're to good man! haha +rep
you forgot to take the 2nd mizukages genjutsu into play. i personally like muu better but i think genjutsu would be a game changer. other than that, there is nothing that i can really add haha you're to good man! haha +rep
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Re: Proof that Kisame and Second Mizukage > Kakuzu and Muu (Actual Explanation Inside
Good thinking
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Good choice
Re: Proof that Kisame and Second Mizukage > Kakuzu and Muu (Actual Explanation Inside
To me, it would be less beneficial to use his Samehada Fusion than to use it. He's extremely vulnerable in the Fusion to Lightning techniques, as is Nidaime Mizukage. Muu has the capabilities to defeat Nidaime Mizukage easily, as he is both a sensor and a Kekkai Tota user. I'm giving this to Muu/Kakuzu on the basis that Kakuzu can keep Kisame busy for a long period of time, prove me wrong if you wish, but Kakuzu has shown to have extreme mobility in the Earth Grudge Fear Transformation. All he needs to do is pepper Kisame with endless onslaughts of wide-range and powerful techniques that he can maintain, and he's been shown to have a pretty large amount of chakra(even if it doesn't compare to Kisame's). On that basis, I believe that Kakuzu and Muu win because of a fragile Nidaime Mizukage and Kakuzu's ability to turn it into a 6 v 2 battle instantly. Also, if Kakuzu wished, he could aid Muu by sending the lightning mask with him, and keeping the other 2 masks for himself(being wind and fire) to deal with Kisame.
To me, it would be less beneficial to use his Samehada Fusion than to use it. He's extremely vulnerable in the Fusion to Lightning techniques, as is Nidaime Mizukage. Muu has the capabilities to defeat Nidaime Mizukage easily, as he is both a sensor and a Kekkai Tota user. I'm giving this to Muu/Kakuzu on the basis that Kakuzu can keep Kisame busy for a long period of time, prove me wrong if you wish, but Kakuzu has shown to have extreme mobility in the Earth Grudge Fear Transformation. All he needs to do is pepper Kisame with endless onslaughts of wide-range and powerful techniques that he can maintain, and he's been shown to have a pretty large amount of chakra(even if it doesn't compare to Kisame's). On that basis, I believe that Kakuzu and Muu win because of a fragile Nidaime Mizukage and Kakuzu's ability to turn it into a 6 v 2 battle instantly. Also, if Kakuzu wished, he could aid Muu by sending the lightning mask with him, and keeping the other 2 masks for himself(being wind and fire) to deal with Kisame.
Re: Proof that Kisame and Second Mizukage > Kakuzu and Muu (Actual Explanation Inside
There is no doubt Kisame cant beat Kakazu but the only tough part is Muu he has dust jutsu, but if the second mizugake fights as well as he did during his last battle with Muu and has Kisame's help. Kisame and Second Mizugake win with mid/high difficulty
Muu and second mizugake died in battle against each other. Kisame creates his giant water vortex, fuses with his sword while in the vortex,absorbs kakuzu's chakra. If kakazu tries to use lightning he will shock him self. Kisame has more stamina than Kakazu and will tire him out.
There is no doubt Kisame cant beat Kakazu but the only tough part is Muu he has dust jutsu, but if the second mizugake fights as well as he did during his last battle with Muu and has Kisame's help. Kisame and Second Mizugake win with mid/high difficulty
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Nice thread +rep
I would have to go with team mizukage, largely due to kisame is basically a jinchuriki without a tailed beast, and samehada can absorb ppls chakra so I can see him being able to find muu even if he's invisible....
Nice thread +rep
I would have to go with team mizukage, largely due to kisame is basically a jinchuriki without a tailed beast, and samehada can absorb ppls chakra so I can see him being able to find muu even if he's invisible....
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I agree
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kakuzu and muu should win. muu being the trump card. its unknown what happened between 2nd mizu and muu. so them killing each other shouldnt be brought up as a counter point. kisames giant shark bullet and water prison can stop kakuzu. jouki boi should get captured and atomised by muus speed and sensing. plus kakuzu can go up against kisame in close combat and steal his sword with the tendrils. i honestly dont know how it took so little to defeat kakuzu when hes so strong.
kakuzu and muu should win. muu being the trump card. its unknown what happened between 2nd mizu and muu. so them killing each other shouldnt be brought up as a counter point. kisames giant shark bullet and water prison can stop kakuzu. jouki boi should get captured and atomised by muus speed and sensing. plus kakuzu can go up against kisame in close combat and steal his sword with the tendrils. i honestly dont know how it took so little to defeat kakuzu when hes so strong.
doesnt mean it will happen any time and every time they engage each other
lightning only counters people made of water
he doesnt need to. sensing enables him to dodge anything and dust release will atomise samehada
it cant absorb hot temperatures or too much chakra at once
bee held back and sasuke was also weakened + not fighting to kill + didnt have susano
oil and water are opposites
its more like oil + water so katon mixed with raiton
no DO forget. this is a battle of what we KNOW about them, not what happened years ago
hidans curse stab destroyed it. he still had katon and fuuton vs naruto
water can atomise
we dont know what happened. mizukage didnt seem too sure about muu dying so mizukage died first. it was jouki boi muu lost to IIRC.
how?
as an edo it was unlimited
Re: Proof that Kisame and Second Mizukage > Kakuzu and Muu (Actual Explanation Inside
LOL remember when gai tried to take Samehada, it didn't end well. I don't see how Kakazu is ever matched against Kisame. Obviously Kisame is the better close combat because he is one of the 7 swordsman of the mist. xd
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Re: Proof that Kisame and Second Mizukage > Kakuzu and Muu (Actual Explanation Inside
There isn't much to debate with here. Your points all do make sense.
Though if Kisame uses Waterdome and the Second Mizukage uses his hydrification technique in the Waterdome to further aid him, would his chakra be absorbed as well while he's in there? or does Kisame choose who's chakra it absorbs?
There isn't much to debate with here. Your points all do make sense.
Though if Kisame uses Waterdome and the Second Mizukage uses his hydrification technique in the Waterdome to further aid him, would his chakra be absorbed as well while he's in there? or does Kisame choose who's chakra it absorbs?
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And this is why the battle won't have the same results every time. Your points and his both make sense. Meaning different scenarios could take place and in the end, either side could be the victor. I'm siding a bit towards Kisame and Second Mizukage but not entirely impossible for Kakuzu and Second Tsuchikage to win as well. To me, it's more like Team Kisame has a 60% chance of victory while Team Kakuzu has a 40%. I use percentages since the 40% scenario could happen in which Team Kakuzu would win.
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And for those of you using this
As a reason as to what Kisame can or cannot take, first of all, Samehada DID absorb the chakra from the flames, but also remember, that is JUST Samehada. Kisame himself has the ability to absorb chakra, with or without Samehada. When fused with Samehada, he can absorb more chakra at a time. As a result, a raiton attack electrifying the water WOULD be absorbed by him, and any damage done to him would just be repaired very quicky and easily using the chakra absorbed. So for all intents and purposes, raiton attacks on the water dome would be a failure AGAINST KISAME. The second Mizukage on the other hand would most likely get hurt, but Kisame can use the chakra he absorbs to replenish the strength of the Mizukage.
Ok, let me reiterate. Kisame can absorb any chakra based ninjutsu to a point, as long as he is in contact with the jutsu. The difference between him and Preta Path is that he can only absorb a certain amount at a time, if the attack surpasses that limit (about 6 tails of bijuu chakra) then the remainder will hurt him. Preta Path is just a bottomless pit of chakra absorbtion.
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As a reason as to what Kisame can or cannot take, first of all, Samehada DID absorb the chakra from the flames, but also remember, that is JUST Samehada. Kisame himself has the ability to absorb chakra, with or without Samehada. When fused with Samehada, he can absorb more chakra at a time. As a result, a raiton attack electrifying the water WOULD be absorbed by him, and any damage done to him would just be repaired very quicky and easily using the chakra absorbed. So for all intents and purposes, raiton attacks on the water dome would be a failure AGAINST KISAME. The second Mizukage on the other hand would most likely get hurt, but Kisame can use the chakra he absorbs to replenish the strength of the Mizukage.
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Re: Proof that Kisame and Second Mizukage > Kakuzu and Muu (Actual Explanation Inside
But since you can't really escape from him when you're inside it, due to kisames speed and the fact that the dome always moves with kisame in the center, you will surely have all you chakra taken when you are caught in it.
It's not the dome itself that absorbs chakra, but kisame when he touches you.
But since you can't really escape from him when you're inside it, due to kisames speed and the fact that the dome always moves with kisame in the center, you will surely have all you chakra taken when you are caught in it.
Re: Proof that Kisame and Second Mizukage > Kakuzu and Muu (Actual Explanation Inside
few ninja have live longer than Kakuzu
he is one of the oldest ninajs alive and has plenty of battle experience
i would have to agree with you on this one
+rep and hope you had a fun time away
few ninja have live longer than Kakuzu
he is one of the oldest ninajs alive and has plenty of battle experience
i would have to agree with you on this one
+rep and hope you had a fun time away
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Re: Proof that Kisame and Second Mizukage > Kakuzu and Muu (Actual Explanation Inside
Muu>SMiz
Kis>Kak
But Kakuzu can use the thunder power againts Kisame Shark Form :X
Team Kakuzu Wins
Muu>SMiz
Kis>Kak
But Kakuzu can use the thunder power againts Kisame Shark Form :X
Team Kakuzu Wins