Mu is not stupid enough to just attack an illusion, he would quickly find the real one and/or the clam and attack them instead, or he would just take on kisame
1. Kakuzu has 4.5 stamina, kisame has 5. Not much difference, but with Samahada stealing kakuzu's chakra it is a HUGE diffeence
2. Katon does hurt samahada, but kisame knows that better then ANYONE. Bee was new with samahada. Suiton > Katon. Kisame would never block with samahada vs katon.
3. First off he has 5 hearts total. 4 black things, and his own.
Second you are right in theory only. I don't see all of Kisame's hearts being able to do that in his battle vs kakashi and shikamaru.
Also I don't see these hearts "flying" like muu, ooniki, or deidara. They have never gone that far up. They have MAYBE been about half as high as water dome. So they would most likely get trapped inside (while having their chakara sucked out)
and even if they arn't stuck inside, then they are outside and cannot do anything to hurt kisame who is in the middle of THAT much water. So then you have a kakuzu with no hearts attached, and he would die.
But kisame can't do anything to them either, if they are outside the dome. And as long as they can fly, even though it is not that high, they will probably be able to escape being caught in the dome. And if kisame can't catch them in the dome, there's no use for him to have it and he will most likely "turn it of", and THATS when they are going to kill him!
But kisame can't do anything to them either, if they are outside the dome. And as long as they can fly, even though it is not that high, they will probably be able to escape being caught in the dome. And if kisame can't catch them in the dome, there's no use for him to have it and he will most likely "turn it of", and THATS when they are going to kill him!
first thing's first, Kakuzu NEEDS a heart. If Kisame kills his heart while in the water dome then Kakuzu's hearts need to come back in or he dies. just re-read the battle vs Kakshi's group. Hidan stabbed himself, killing kakuzu's last heart inside him, and as such the other elements flocked to him and re-added themselves.
So either he dies (and hearts don't come back and end up dying by proxy) OR they come back in while still in dome and he just keeps absorbing chakra and delivers a fatal blow one by one and kills em that way
secondly, they cannot jump that high. His water dome was completed almost instantly from NOTHING. And have you seen how tall it is? It is about 10x times taller then the trees around them.
Have I missed this battle? please link it to me or are you just acting clever about a battle you've never seen...
Let me remind you that they killed eachother in the battle, so Muu wasn't completely defenceless.
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they are able to detect the clam even though they are affected by the genjutsu, and with kakuzu's earth, wind, fire and lightning they probably work out a plan to find the big shellfish, after all they are a team and will therefore work together, and Muu most certainly knows alot about the mizukage as they have fought eachother before
1. false, the battle will start w.o his hearts being released, therefore taijutsu/close range will be emanate. and even with all his long ranged, naruto still got close enough to him with a few clones to kill him TWICE. (rasen HAPPENED to die off the first time because it was incomplete)
2. i've explained in earlier posts that the lightening does not BEAT water. Basically the electricity will combine with water and go with the water. It has no mind of it's own and cannot control where it goes after it hits water because the water conducted it into it's stream. So if the lightening hits water, the water will be combined with in it's attack and would actually work against kakuzu.
Also, we have seen Samahada absorb 6 tails worth of chakra in a single swipe AND just being in proximity was able to take off the lightening of bee's pencil. Means blocking any non katon attack with samahada is completely viable. and obviously suiton > katon.
3. i do not remember him using that in the manga, please post the link to where he used it!
4. if kisame is fused with samahada how does Kakuzu beat/hurt him?
He can harden his skin without taking his heart's off his body and Kisame needs to land a hit on him in order to steal his chakra. and Also note that when he has his heart in his body he can do Katon based attaks himself So Samehadha is out of Q here.
and ones he get's all heart's out of his body, What kisame can do when there are futon+Katon+Raiton attack's are coming toward's him , Samehadha can not tank any Katon based attack,
and Raiton in the water will not only evaporate it but it will also produce a shock powerful enough to kill whoever is standing inside it,What happens when you stand in water and someone put's a live wire in it? you do the math.
Doton: Moguragakure no Jutsu is a c rank suplimentry jutsu same as Kisame's Doton: Dochū Senkō if Kisame can use a C rank suplimentry jutsu when he can not do any powerful Doton jutsu, what makes you think that a high lvl Doton user such as Kakuzu won't be able to do it, he has already shown the ability to hide his body part's underground as seen here....
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what makes you think he can not hide his whole body.
That was one scenario, but as we know Kisame can also use a c rank jutsu to go underground, so in this case Kakuzu does not need to go anywhere, he can be within Kisame's jutsu and can still kill him with Raiton, he will die too but he can Revive himself, but Kisame can not.
Kisame fused with Samehadha will need a large amount of water to move around, and one hit from Concentrated Raiton beam will electrify the whole water, incase you are wondering Kakuzu's Raiton: Gian is a b Rank jutsu which is powerful enough to kill a human who does not has any affinity towards raiton.
And please Naruto beating him with Shadow clone was the biggest joke in the Manga, so don't use that as an excuse.
Have I missed this battle? please link it to me or are you just acting clever about a battle you've never seen...
Let me remind you that they killed eachother in the battle, so Muu wasn't completely defenceless.
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they are able to detect the clam even though they are affected by the genjutsu, and with kakuzu's earth, wind, fire and lightning they probably work out a plan to find the big shellfish, after all they are a team and will therefore work together, and Muu most certainly knows alot about the mizukage as they have fought eachother before
which leads me to my next point, if Muu is able to find the real people so easily, then that means the mizukage = muu WITHOUT genjutsu. Which means people severly under estimate the mizukage. If muu stopped paying attention to him for a second he dies. So it's just kisame vs kakuzu here. and it's extremely obvious who wins that. (as i have been arguing since the thread came out)
first thing's first, Kakuzu NEEDS a heart. If Kisame kills his heart while in the water dome then Kakuzu's hearts need to come back in or he dies. just re-read the battle vs Kakshi's group. Hidan stabbed himself, killing kakuzu's last heart inside him, and as such the other elements flocked to him and re-added themselves.
So either he dies (and hearts don't come back and end up dying by proxy) OR they come back in while still in dome and he just keeps absorbing chakra and delivers a fatal blow one by one and kills em that way
secondly, they cannot jump that high. His water dome was completed almost instantly from NOTHING. And have you seen how tall it is? It is about 10x times taller then the trees around them.
Kakuzu probably wouldn't mind sacrificing a heart to win, so if one of the flying hearts grab kisame and move him, kakuzu would fall out of the dome.
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and kisame still isn't immune to lightning, I havn't seen, or can't remember, samehade has ever taken chakra from a jutsu, only when it touches its opponent i removes chakra, so lightning will affect them, even when fused.
and I have never said they should fly up, it is possible to fly horizontal as well you know
I have no reason to believe that anything Kakuzu has can actually kill Kisame, while Kisame can simply water dome and suck all the life out of Kakuzu and kill.
Kakuzu could try to electrocute the water while in the dome, but there is a few problems with that.
1. Hurts himself
2. I don't think it could affect all of the water and would just end up dissipating. (dome is huge)
3. Kisame sucks of the chakara from everything in the dome, including the lighting .(which is made from chakra)
Non water dome arguments include his Giant f'ing shark that eats chakra attacks and becomes stronger from them pretty much negating most of kakuzu's arsenal.
Taijutsu goes to Kisame simply because of Samahada will eat away at Kakuzu if he stays close.
Ive already explained why water dome wouildnt be wise for Kisame
If any of his hearts are outside the dome, he can just use the lightning heart to shock the dome with both of them in it. And Kakazu would survive cause of his other hearts.
Taijutsu wise Kakazu takes it
With the ability to extend his arms would be quite useful against Kisame
If Kisame decides to summon sharks in the water dome to eat Kakazu, Kakazu can turn his skin to iron. Then the sharks teeth are gonna break
I am defiantly going with Kisame/Mizukage on this one.
As we know from the manga Muu and the second Mizukage killed each other in battle so that would leave Kisame vs Kakuzu.
Kisames mega water dome cannot be countered by Kakuzu. Don't forget Killer Bee is lighting element, and he wasn't able to just massively electrocute the water. The water sucks out chakara and gives to Kisame so attacks are nullified. Its that simple of a battle.
which leads me to my next point, if Muu is able to find the real people so easily, then that means the mizukage = muu WITHOUT genjutsu. Which means people severly under estimate the mizukage. If muu stopped paying attention to him for a second he dies. So it's just kisame vs kakuzu here. and it's extremely obvious who wins that. (as i have been arguing since the thread came out)
Kisame has only released big water techniques when not under direct attack.
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When he faces Kakuzu he will be atacked from 4-5 different directions at a time, with 4-5 different elemental techniques, I doubt he will have the time, Kakuzu will be on his guard knowing he has to press him, 80 years on the battlefield must count for something
but kakuzu would beat wich ever one he fights the mizukage because of kakazu diffrent jutsu and kisame because of kakazus taijutsu and because of his experience
Let's hope they don't haha, and I agree they would have a reall good match. But someone pointed out that Killer Bee also has lightning release, which is true, and Bee couldn't do anything inside of Kisame's water sphere. Also, I believe Killer Bee could defeat Kakuzu as well, and Bee is very skilled in Kinjutsu. But, seeing as this is "A>B>C" logic, I don't think this matters anyway. And Another note, Guy, arguably has the best taijutsu in the NarutoVerse and even he was forced to use his 7th Gate and use the afternoon tiger to defeat Kisame.
This just pretty much proves that no one has the advantage based on chakra nature, except for earth hahaha but this is a good point and gives the team Mizukage side a better advantage.
Kisame has only released big water techniques when not under direct attack.
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When he faces Kakuzu he will be atacked from 4-5 different directions at a time, with 4-5 different elemental techniques, I doubt he will have the time, Kakuzu will be on his guard knowing he has to press him, 80 years on the battlefield must count for something
Re: Proof that Kisame and Second Mizukage > Kakuzu and Muu (Actual Explanation Inside
I saw the title...Looked at the default picture, and agreed. Rep+
You're the ONLY peron I've actively seen on here, supporting anything that flies out of their mouths in battle situation.
Rep+ My friend.
Re: Proof that Kisame and Second Mizukage > Kakuzu and Muu (Actual Explanation Inside
People must forgot Kakuzu has the bigget advantage over Kisame and the Second Mizukage.First example Kakuzu Earth Style>Kisame and the Second Mizukage Water Style. Another example as Kegative knight said the Second Mizukage can transform in to Oil making Fire>Oil, and one of Kakuzu Elements includes Fire Style.
imma have to go with the kakuzu and muu team on this one cuz they cant really kill muu since one they cant see him they dont have som sort of power to and muu can fly and spam jinton muu is a verry tricky aponent when you think about iy only a cuple can beat him and well kisame is stronger than kakuzu but since kakuzu has to die 5 times itll take kisame a while to kill him while muu just turns invisible and destroys the mizukages clam and him self as well with jinton then muu can turn his attention on kisame while hes fighting kakuzu he wont see jinton coming there for kakuzu is only a distraction while muu kills them both and even if they could see muu invisible if they attacked him he would just do the body duble technique and avoid serious injury therefor living and still winning by jinton it would be interesting to watch them fight tho...awsome thread bro keep it up +rep
Well Jintin is really powerful and all, but Muu can't spam with Jinton. There's a limit in how many he can use. I think it was 3 times? That's logical though because Naruto SM could only use 3 RasenShurikens in his SM. I don't know if that will convince you or not. And, Muu can't use Jinton at all while he splits, it's impossible. And Muu would also have his hands full with Mizukage.
Oh and if Muu could split and use jinto he would be really overpowered, and maybe even the strongest in the whole manga if he split and use Jinton at the same time. Lol
Re: Proof that Kisame and Second Mizukage > Kakuzu and Muu (Actual Explanation Inside
I pretty much agree with all your points opening. Mu and Nindaime Mizukage canonically kill each other, but with Kisame providing water for the 2nd Mizukage to draw on it wouldn't be too shocking if the Mizukage managed to beat Mu this time around. Kisame is also a poor match up for Kakuzu since he can absorb all of his elemental jutsu bar Iron skin with Samehada and Great Water Shark Missile. But Iron skin won't help Kakuzu out much since Kisame's absorption techniques don't have to pierce Kakuzu's defense to drain him dry.
Kakuzu might have a chance to beat Kisame if he uses his tentacles early on to grab Samehada from Kisame, but it's a small chance.
