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I've already done this thread a bunch of times now, and the reasons why he doesn't have it are very obvious. Sasuke and Madara had never made a standalone PS without Kurama's assistance UNTIL they received Rikudo Chakra. The only proofs I've actually considered to refute this are Madara's conversation with Onoki and the Kages.
The first being that Onoki asked why Madara held back when Madara revealed he had PS. Madara responded with saying "why go full force against children." The implication of this proof is that Madara not stating "I couldn't use this back then" meant that he could, but overall it's weak proof. Madara not saying he couldn't use PS DOESN'T mean he could have used PS. Beyond that, Onoki's question only referred to Madara holding back DESPITE the question being triggered by him seeing PS. Madara didn't necessarily have to have PS back then to answer truthfully, just to have been holding back against Onoki.
The second is that Madara says "they say everyone who sees it dies." Here's the ULTIMATE proof that Madara didn't have Susanoo. If Madara were using this line with ANY sincerity whatsoever, that'd mean Hashirama died soon after seeing PS. He didn't. Hashirama died years or maybe decades later. Furthermore, EVEN if EMS Madara had PS we don't even know of anyone else he'd use it against.
Things that don't add up:
1. Apparently there were rumors of PS, yet Onoki had never heard the rumors to even know that Madara had PS. It should be noted that Onoki wasn't a dumb random when he was younger, but among the Kages who viewed Madara as a threat. You know, Kages, the people who all information is reported to.
2. The rumors claim everyone who sees PS dies. Hashirama didn't die to it, and was probably the ONLY enemy Madara would whip it out on considering his statement about children and whatnot.
3. Madara saying "they say" at all. If the fact pertained to him, he'd flat out say "everyone who sees it dies."
4. Not only did Onoki fail to learn of those rumors and PS, so did the 5 Kage and they were actively trying to learn more about Madara. How convenient that the most fearsome rumor regarding Madara is also literally unheard of.
Now here's some certain facts:
1. Indra had PS.
2. Madara is well read on history regarding The Sage of Six Paths. He may have even taught Obito about the stupid legend behind the Sword of Nunoboko, so what are the odds of him not learning of Indra's PS?
3. Ashura had allies in troves when he challenged Indra.
Everything indicates that these are ancient rumors he read/heard regarding Indra's PS.
The first being that Onoki asked why Madara held back when Madara revealed he had PS. Madara responded with saying "why go full force against children." The implication of this proof is that Madara not stating "I couldn't use this back then" meant that he could, but overall it's weak proof. Madara not saying he couldn't use PS DOESN'T mean he could have used PS. Beyond that, Onoki's question only referred to Madara holding back DESPITE the question being triggered by him seeing PS. Madara didn't necessarily have to have PS back then to answer truthfully, just to have been holding back against Onoki.
The second is that Madara says "they say everyone who sees it dies." Here's the ULTIMATE proof that Madara didn't have Susanoo. If Madara were using this line with ANY sincerity whatsoever, that'd mean Hashirama died soon after seeing PS. He didn't. Hashirama died years or maybe decades later. Furthermore, EVEN if EMS Madara had PS we don't even know of anyone else he'd use it against.
Things that don't add up:
1. Apparently there were rumors of PS, yet Onoki had never heard the rumors to even know that Madara had PS. It should be noted that Onoki wasn't a dumb random when he was younger, but among the Kages who viewed Madara as a threat. You know, Kages, the people who all information is reported to.
2. The rumors claim everyone who sees PS dies. Hashirama didn't die to it, and was probably the ONLY enemy Madara would whip it out on considering his statement about children and whatnot.
3. Madara saying "they say" at all. If the fact pertained to him, he'd flat out say "everyone who sees it dies."
4. Not only did Onoki fail to learn of those rumors and PS, so did the 5 Kage and they were actively trying to learn more about Madara. How convenient that the most fearsome rumor regarding Madara is also literally unheard of.
Now here's some certain facts:
1. Indra had PS.
2. Madara is well read on history regarding The Sage of Six Paths. He may have even taught Obito about the stupid legend behind the Sword of Nunoboko, so what are the odds of him not learning of Indra's PS?
3. Ashura had allies in troves when he challenged Indra.
Everything indicates that these are ancient rumors he read/heard regarding Indra's PS.
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