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His chakra pool being inferior isnt really a problen here considering he has 1 shot move like C4. You keep saying Bee will be able to disable the bombs when he hasnt shown versatality in his raiton which sasuke has also with the help of his sharigan.

Lariat wont do much damage here. Deidara has already shown high endurance capabilities against pain, he took kakashi warping his arm like it was nothing? gaara crushing his arm and leg like it was nothing..

Funny how yoy post nothing about C4 because Bee has no counter to it. While i agree with the reat of your post regarding the bombs having no effect on Bee in his tailed v2 form you totally left out C4

1.Yes it is. Bee will last much longer. You said Bee hasn't shown any versatility with his raiton, what... Sasuke's main feat at the start of Shippuden was the chidori stream(or whatever). Bee already had it when Sasuke fought him. Bee's Raiton >/= Sasuke's.

2. Lariat won't do damage? What the hell are you smoking? Having your chest blown off, or even worse(The real use for it) being beheaded. Most people don't realize but lariat was originally meant to decapitate the victim. Kishi changed that when Bee attacked Sasuke because if he did that, Sasuke would die. Losing an arm is nothign compared to getting your chest blown open, or even worse losing your head...

3. Bee simply needs to put a charge through himself... That's simply done, especially when the 8-tails tells him there's chakra floating around in his system. -derp- :|

 

[Frikid]

a very good thread , i must say.
now again, which side should i take ? Zzz

 

[Optimistic]

Killer Bee has the 8 tails one of the most intelligent beast in the manga.The 8 tails roamed the narutoverse for generations yet the 8 tails can't figure out what a doton sign looks like?

 

[Prince Charles]

Killer Bee has 8.

Oh that's what you meant. Deidara would need to go underground to plant the bombs, Bee can transform to V2 and attack him with chakra arms.

Killer Bee just needs to notice his hand signs, I am sure a shinobi of his caliber knows Raiton>Doton. Doubt it, when Bee's tentacles were able to save A from getting hit by Minato.

C4 takes some time to perform, Killer Bee can kill him with a TBB before C4 is finished.

Actually it was shown in the manga where deidara can utilize smaller versions of C4.

chapter 361 page 1 you clearly see deidara capable of making smaller versions of C4.

So time preparations is hardly a factor here.

 

[Waltz]

@ Prince Charles:

Deidara's explosives aren't affecting the Version 2 cloak as it is tough enough to withstand bijuu-dama equaling the scales of C4 Garuda [

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] as well as Kusanagi no Tsurugi's penetrative ability; solely implying that your claims that the explosives will aid to the heat increase are false. ​

Chakra pools always play some role but in this matchup specifically, it is a crucial element as Deidara carry's around a specific amount of clay. The damage Deidara suffered after those injuries affect his fighting ability as well as stamina as he possesses no regenerative abilities. The damage done by Bee's Version 2 lariat is sufficient to finish Deidara.

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...unless you think he could still battle with a hole clean through his body; completely smashing his sternum, ribcage and a portion of his spinal cord.
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Actually it was shown in the manga where deidara can utilize smaller versions of C4.

chapter 361 page 1 you clearly see deidara capable of making smaller versions of C4.

So time preparations is hardly a factor here.

I've noticed you looked past about 2 of my posts directed at you... :O

 

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Actually it was shown in the manga where deidara can utilize smaller versions of C4.

chapter page 1 you clearly see deidara capable of making smaller versions of C4.

So time preparations is hardly a factor here.

I guess you got me. IMO it goes down to who uses their one-shots first.

 

[Prince Charles]

1.Yes it is. Bee will last much longer. You said Bee hasn't shown any versatility with his raiton, what... Sasuke's main feat at the start of Shippuden was the chidori stream(or whatever). Bee already had it when Sasuke fought him. Bee's Raiton >/= Sasuke's.

2. Lariat won't do damage? What the hell are you smoking? Having your chest blown off, or even worse(The real use for it) being beheaded. Most people don't realize but lariat was originally meant to decapitate the victim. Kishi changed that when Bee attacked Sasuke because if he did that, Sasuke would die. Losing an arm is nothign compared to getting your chest blown open, or even worse losing your head...

3. Bee simply needs to put a charge through himself... That's simply done, especially when the 8-tails tells him there's chakra floating around in his system. -derp- :|

1. lmfao what? how is bee>=sasuke in raiton when sasuke has clearly shown more feats in raiton...
2. I dont recall sayinf lariar wont do damage? If i did my apologies when it clearly would but what i trying to say with deidaras feats in high endurance to pain, a lariat will not be his down fall. Now of course if his head comes off then yeah.. thats pretty much GG for any ninja

3. Yeah because your assuming the 8 tails will magically be able to spot microscopic mini bombs instantly and tell Bee right away? and then bee launches a charge through his body? you do realize as soon as the c4 enters his body its over right?
-derp-

 

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1. lmfao what? how is bee>=sasuke in raiton when sasuke has clearly shown more feats in raiton...
2. I dont recall sayinf lariar wont do damage? If i did my apologies when it clearly would but what i trying to say with deidaras feats in high endurance to pain, a lariat will not be his down fall. Now of course if his head comes off then yeah.. thats pretty much GG for any ninja

3. Yeah because your assuming the 8 tails will magically be able to spot microscopic mini bombs instantly and tell Bee right away? and then bee launches a charge through his body? you do realize as soon as the c4 enters his body its over right?
-derp-

1. Considering Bee is much older than Sasuke, and already has Sasuke's feat, it's much more likely Bee is more skilled. Plus the fact that Sasuke is a main character. He'll obviously have more feats as we've only met Bee shortly before the start of the War arc... :|

2. You said his durability was strong. That's hardly the case when your chest is blown off. I'll give you he has high endurance, but if your chest is blown off, you're done. Just like Kisame. He needed a huge boost of Bee's chakra to get back up.

3. 8 tails is probably the smartest bijuu. Bijuu can wake its host from genjutsu. That implies the bijuu can disrupt the users chakra. Which means they're connected in one way or another. The Bijuu can tell if there's another chakra source there, just like when genjutsu is cast on them. Bee simply sends a shock through himself... Was a worthy attempt of stealing my derp but... -Derp- :|

 

[Prince Charles]

@ Prince Charles:

Chakra pools always play some role but in this matchup specifically, it is a crucial element as Deidara carry's around a specific amount of clay. The damage Deidara suffered after those injuries affect his fighting ability as well as stamina as he possesses no regenerative abilities. The damage done by Bee's Version 2 lariat is sufficient to finish Deidara.

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...unless you think he could still battle with a hole clean through his body; completely smashing his sternum, ribcage and a portion of his spinal cord.
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If his spinal cord gets damaged your acting like he simply cant use his clay bird allowing him to gain flight control... I mean he has been shown to move with his arm being warped off.. shown still fighting with one of his legs and arm being blown off... when he lost both his arms he used his feet take out 2 big shuriken out his body..

While i admit a blown chest is worse but i can still see deidara fighting with his will intact.

Chakra pool while i admit favors Bee in this case, it hardly effects deidara here as you think because he had a one shot move called C4...

 

[Shura]

a very good thread , i must say.
now again, which side should i take ? Zzz

Deidara's side. Jk. I think Deidara takes this 6 out of 10 times.

 

[Prince Charles]

1. Considering Bee is much older than Sasuke, and already has Sasuke's feat, it's much more likely Bee is more skilled. Plus the fact that Sasuke is a main character. He'll obviously have more feats as we've only met Bee shortly before the start of the War arc... :|

2. You said his durability was strong. That's hardly the case when your chest is blown off. I'll give you he has high endurance, but if your chest is blown off, you're done. Just like Kisame. He needed a huge boost of Bee's chakra to get back up.

3. 8 tails is probably the smartest bijuu. Bijuu can wake its host from genjutsu. That implies the bijuu can disrupt the users chakra. Which means they're connected in one way or another. The Bijuu can tell if there's another chakra source there, just like when genjutsu is cast on them. Bee simply sends a shock through himself... Was a worthy attempt of stealing my derp but... -Derp- :|

1. manga panels and feats> your futile assumption.

2. You can believe what you want but by the feats that diedara has shown i find it plausible with his will he can still fight with his chest blown off.

3.smh.. as soon as the C4 enters his body its OVER he will instantly start to disappear just like the birds and lizards did.

chakra is different from the bloodstream.. your assuming the 8 tails will instantly notice micrpscopic organisms in Bees bloodstream.. while its possible it will be too late. as soon as bee breathes in C4 he will start to disappear! just like the animals that got effected by it.

4.DERP

 

[Waltz]

If his spinal cord gets damaged your acting like he simply cant use his clay bird allowing him to gain flight control... I mean he has been shown to move with his arm being warped off.. shown still fighting with one of his legs and arm being blown off... when he lost both his arms he used his feet take out 2 big shuriken out his body..

While i admit a blown chest is worse but i can still see deidara fighting with his will intact.

Chakra pool while i admit favors Bee in this case, it hardly effects deidara here as you think because he had a one shot move called C4...

The C4 Garuda is suicide on Deidara's behalf, and it's not harming Bee's in his V2 state. You do know broken ribs do puncture the heart and lungs...? ​

 

[Prince Charles]

The C4 Garuda is suicide on Deidara's behalf, and it's not harming Bee's in his V2 state. You do know broken ribs do puncture the heart and lungs...? ​

Kisame was talking perfectly fine when Bee blew off his chest..

Now thats an assumption on your part saying C4 wont harm Bee in his V2 state when it enters the damn blood stream.. And how is it suicide on deidaras part? Do you mean chakra reserves wise? If so your wrong since i ready showed that deidara can make smaller versions of C4.

 

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1. manga panels and feats> your futile assumption.

2. You can believe what you want but by the feats that diedara has shown i find it plausible with his will he can still fight with his chest blown off.

3.smh.. as soon as the C4 enters his body its OVER he will instantly start to disappear just like the birds and lizards did.

chakra is different from the bloodstream.. your assuming the 8 tails will instantly notice micrpacopic organisms in Bees bloodstream.. while its possiblw it will be too late. as soon as bee breathes in C4 he will start to disappear! just like the animals that got effected by it.

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1. Just stop it. Manga implications > What you think manga says The point of Sasuke showing that was to enlighten us that Sasuke was outclossed in every way.

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Notice what Konan says... if you don't believe he's outclassed, please proceed to the next page. Still don't believe me? Bee's Raiton > Sasuke's + Suigestu's Suiton:

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2. Sasuke almost died, Kisame almost died. yet you still don't get it... Neither was able to move after it until they got healed. Why do you think Deidara can?!

3. How did Sasuke survive then...? Oh yeah...

 

[Prince Charles]

1. Just stop it. Manga implications > What you think manga says The point of Sasuke showing that was to enlighten us that Sasuke was outclossed in every way.

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Notice what Konan says... if you don't believe he's outclassed, please proceed to the next page. Still don't believe me? Bee's Raiton > Sasuke's + Suigestu's Suiton:

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2. Sasuke almost died, Kisame almost died. yet you still don't get it... Neither was able to move after it until they got healed. Why do you think Deidara can?!

3. How did Sasuke survive then...? Oh yeah...

Smh show me scans of kisame suggesting that he has high pain endurance like deidara? Oh wait you cant which leads me to believe that deidara through his will power will be capable of still fighting .!

wtf.. all karin said was that Bee can use raiton too.. and again what? I dont see where suigetsu combines his suiton to amplify sasukes lightning..

 

[Waltz]

Kisame was talking perfectly fine when Bee blew off his chest..

Now thats an assumption on your part saying C4 wont harm Bee in his V2 state when it enters the damn blood stream.. And how is it suicide on deidaras part? Do you mean chakra reserves wise? If so your wrong since i ready showed that deidara can make smaller versions of C4.

When Bee hit Kisame not only did he absorb some of the chakra but also Samehada who had already taken the brunt of the attack [technically a cushion] meaning that the blow dealt to Kisame was inferior to it's full potential.

I confused C4 with C3 xd

C4 isn't breaching the cloak unless your saying it would enter through the respiratory system. That still wouldn't work as the pseudo state coats both the interior and exterior of the the Jinchuriki [

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] which would include the gullet, blood vessels, organs ect. Meaning that the Micro bombs would have no point of entry and their minute explosions would have no effect. Yamato explains [

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[OWanime]

raiton can deactivate his bombs and plus he can use 8 tails wind vortex technique to blow away C4 mini bombs; it doesn't take THAT long to make a tbb xd

 

[Prince Charles]

When Bee hit Kisame not only did he absorb some of the chakra but also Samehada who had already taken the brunt of the attack [technically a cushion] meaning that the blow dealt to Kisame was inferior to it's full potential.

I confused C4 with C3 xd

C4 isn't breaching the cloak unless your saying it would enter through the respiratory system. That still wouldn't work as the pseudo state coats both the interior and exterior of the the Jinchuriki [

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] which would include the gullet, blood vessels, organs ect. Meaning that the Micro bombs would have no point of entry and their minute explosions would have no effect. Yamato explains [

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]. It's in any case the reason as to why naruto was able to do this without bursting his entire body:
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I honestly dont know how you came to the conclusion that samehada cushioned the blow when his damn ribcage was showning..

also regarding the healing process, samehada has no effect on the potential. You clearly see samehada crawling towarda Bee to aid him which obviously means the healing started at that moment which means there was no cushioning.

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Your saying it protects the exterior and interior yet Bee in his v2 in kisames water dome was about to burst his lungs ...

Also the fact that sakura had to heal the burn marks from when naruto went 4 tail mode against orochimaru back in the early parts of part 2. Fact is the bomb is enterimg his blood stream and destroying him from the inside you can choose to believe v2 will tank it but i believe it wont.

 

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Smh show me scans of kisame suggesting that he has high pain endurance like deidara? Oh wait you cant which leads me to believe that deidara through his will power will be capable of still fighting .!

wtf.. all karin said was that Bee can use raiton too.. and again what? I dont see where suigetsu combines his suiton to amplify sasukes lightning..

1. I showed you a scan of Kisame getting Lariated and you're the one who said, "he was still talking." :| That sounds like high endurance to me? He was bleeding out, and was still able to talk. That's a pretty big feat. If Kisame, who isn't even human, has much much more chakra than Deidara, and could not withstand the Lariat, can't stand after it. Why do you think Deidara can. Deidara shows no feat of such. That's pure speculation.

2. Suigetsu was pushing his sword against Bee's, and he says himself he's weak against Bee's Raiton:

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Then Sasuke puts his hand on the bottom to stop Bee, but Bee just keeps going. Juugo finally stops the assault. That proves that Bee's raiton is > Sasuke's at the very least. He's also better than Suigetsu's suiton. He kept going through both of them, so Bee's Raitong > Sasuke's Raiton + Suigetsu's Suiton.