Proof that Deidara could be > Sasori (Actual Explanation Inside)

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Fair point but i've considered this and only the 3rd Kazekage himself was able to remagnitize Iron Sand with his magnetic chakra, the puppet his just a shell of his former self which can only manipulate it but not re-magnitize.

I see your logic there but water wouldn't remagnitize it, it would simply cool it. Demagnetization is a irreversible process (as far as i know) as the poles get messed up under excessive heats.
Good Point.

I have another theory as well. Though my theory is noit 100% correct, i do have the thkeory that Magnet release is used by 2 nature, and i have reason to believe that one of those natures are lightning. This is my reasoning.

Magnetism, at its root, arises from two sources:
1.Electric currents or more generally, moving electric charges create magnetic fields.
2.Many particles have nonzero "intrinsic" magnetic moments. Just as each particle, by its nature, has a certain mass and charge, each has a certain magnetic moment.

In magnetic materials, sources of magnetization are the electrons orbital angular motion around the nucleus. Which shows that Kazekage has minipulation over electrons and electric currents which could be and most likely linked to Lightning chakra (similar to tsunade's lightning chakra that she displayed by affecting neurons).

Though i cant prove this, if it is true that kazekage has ligthning release, then that is a huge advantage for sasori. (just food for thought.)lol
 

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Good Point.

I have another theory as well. Though my theory is noit 100% correct, i do have the thkeory that Magnet release is used by 2 nature, and i have reason to believe that one of those natures are lightning. This is my reasoning.
Thats a good theory, and most likely correct - but he wouldn't need 2 natures, the electricity alone would make the iron particles magnetic
 

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I think deidara since I think sasoris piper strings are to thin and one of deidara bombs could be poweefuld to break the strings and I don't think sasori piper's can reach the hight of how far he could go but it could also go sasori way cause he could have a lightning style puppet to make diedara bomb become dud had to say but I will go with deidara
 

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Deidara of Explosion Style vs Sasori of the Red Sand


This is thread is reverting back to my One vs One Match ups but is variation in my Kage vs Kage Threads by including any shinobi that are Akatsuki or Jinchurikis.

This is a thread highlighting the strength of Deidara and essentially it has no bias but a purpose, and is therefore showing why either team could win. Simply you just ignore the title as i wrote it that way for people to recognize it was one of my threads.










Deidara's Elemental Advantage with Explosion Release and his Clay Bombs

Strengthened by Lava and Fire Techniques as they cause for a more destructive detonation due to the explosives increasing in heat energy which in turns increases the destructive power of the resulting explosion.

-Strengthened by Wind Techniques as they increase the intensity of the explosion (after detonation) and "add fuel to the flames" causing it to grow in magnitude.

-Immunity to Water Techniques as the explosions are still able to detonate under water and some of the larger scale explosions (C3 Exploding Statue) would be able to counter and evaporate the largest of water Techniques.

-Immunity to Earth Techniques simply because of it being the only solid structure element. The explosions would be able to break through most earth techniques and with the larger scale techniques only being countered by a few techniques in specific circumstances e.g. Gaara in the Sand Village.

-Severe Weakness to Lightning Techniques, they've already been shown what effect they have on Deidara's clay bombs. The effect turns his bombs into "duds" which mean they are incapable of detonating, effectively disabling them.




Why Deidara could possibly be stronger than Sasori ?



1) Heat Generated from Explosions Demagnetizes Iron Sand
The explosions Deidara's clay bombs create are an exothermic reaction which release heat upon detonation. The heat of his explosions tend to be reflected by the magnitude of the explosion itself meaning his C3 Exploding Statue would generate more heat than his C1 Miniature clay boms.

He can use this specific property to his advantage when facing Sasori's Third Kazekage Puppet as the heat generated from his large scale explosions (C2 Miniature Dragon and upwards) should be enough to demagnetize the Iron Sand causing Sasori unable to re-use it once demagnetized.

2) Ability to Avoid Direct Battle Confrontations
Deidara's Battle style tends to avoid direct confrontations at short and medium range as a whole. All the times we have seen him in battle (Sasuke vs Deidara, Gaara vs Deidara) he has immediately taken flight whether facing an opponent whether his opponent is capable of flight or not (Sasuke before he revealed the Curse Mark).

He's also been shown to use the Hiding Mole Technique to burrow underground and Clay clones which serve both the purposes of fighting in place of him and exploding afterwards to act as a offensive defense.

His fighting style will be a key contributing factor in defeating Sasori as his entire arsenal doesn't tend to transcend certain heights which Deidara can easily attain with his C2 Dragon.

3) Fragile Nature of Puppetry Techniques
Most of Sasori's fighting styles all share the same fundamental weakness of being dependent on the thin chakra strings which connect him to the puppet itself.

Due to the string's density they're relatively fragile and can be broken with Kenjutsu (swords), wind/fire techniques and etc. The force generated by Deidara's explosions would be enough to destroy the chakra strings connecting him to his puppets rendering him momentarily useless. He could also further capitalize on this by destroying the puppet before Sasori has an opportunity to reconnect the puppet strings.

4) Tracking and Shape Specialization of Clay Bombs

Deidara's Clay bombs have two very unique properties which take hsi fighting style to the next level rather than the basic use of explosives on different magnitudes.

-His clay bombs are capable of tracking which mean they act similar to kamikaze projectiles which follow the opponent until they are manually detonated.

This would be the perfect counter to Sasori's fighting style as it mainly consists of manipulating a puppet while his body itself is stationary.

-The second vital property is the shape specialization of his smaller bombs (C1 and C2) which can be molded into various different creatures.

This could act as a method to attack Sasori in many different ways and directions adding an element of unpredictably to his fighting style.

Insect-shaped Clay bombs could be used for sneak attacks, once they land on the target they can detonate at point blank range (see Deidara vs Gaara)

Bird-shaped Clay bombs could be used as his aerial and most effective tracking explosives which could be used to overwhelm him from various directions or compensate for the range of the battle as a long range battle alternative(when he is using his C2 Dragon).

Snake-shaped Clay bombs could be used to attempt ground attacks by hiding behind the terrain and springing surprise attacks when Sasori attempts to dodge explosions he can't defend against.



Alternative Arguments on how Sasori could win Against Deidara



What do you guys think ? How would win Deidara or Sasori and WHY ?
Sorry I can't rep you atm.. awesome thread as usual.
 

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Excellent thread mate +rep

Its a tough one because their fighting styles are so very different. I think you did a very good job of presenting the facts though.

If i was to state my opinion, i would probably go for Deidara winning for two reasons
1) he is more popular and therefore Kishi wouldn't let him die without "going out with a bang" as it were :p
2) His fighting style takes advantages of the weaknesses in Sasori's fighting style in my opinion. Although as i said, it would be a very tough fight.
 

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powerful thread plus rep+ all over. here's my thing...mr.explosive got it if he can stay outta the puppets range while being able to drop bombs. red sand man wins if he can hit and destroy all of deidera's flying bomb dragons before they take flight because with them deidera cant possible win. he MUST get airborne if he wants to defeat sasori. thats my take.
 

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im not sure who would win. sasori could beat deidara a good amount of times. about 7/10. bombs are somewhat ineffective unless it hits sasoris heart as his puppet body can just pull itself back together.
 

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Sasori can use the iron sand for defense, but Deidara has variety of jutsus with the clay bomb.
I recon Sasori's fire won't help with clay bombs unless they are small like spiders.
Deidara can go airborne to plan or attack. But Sasori has his limits.
And many of Deidara's clay bombs can annihilate Sasori's1000 puppets into less numbers.
Even if Sasori manages to poison Deidara, which he will, Deidara could still blow up Sasori using that suicide bomb.
So, in an all out battle, I speculate Deidara would win..
 

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O.O Wait what ? xd

I agree with some of your points .. BUT like you stated it depends on circumstances , i.e if he is is in a cave
But the thing I got stuck with is the Iron sand ..
If it got hotter wouldn't this become an advantage for Sasori ? :shrug: He'd be able to disperse the sand around which is scorching hot which would burn Deidara, if he gets a big enough hold with the sand on him then shouldn't this burn him severely .. ? Idk if I am getting my point across properly lol :p

And also Deidara's microscopic bombs also wouldn't work on Sasori if he intended for him to inhale them as he doesn't need to breathe ;) just throwing it out there :scorps:
 

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Negative Knight this is once again another great analysis of two high class shinobi, their techniques and their fighting styles, good work my man, you're awesome!
 

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I dont thinks so. Iron sand can easily tank C1 and C2 without any damage. C3 would inflict some damage, but its still tanked. C4 is completely useless against Sasori.

Still, thats hell of a opening post.
i was thinking the very same.. i have no idea who would won this one lol.. never even imagined this one.. +rep for effort!
 

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I think the best thing Diedara could hope for is a suicide draw I think Sasori could overwhelm him, Nice effort though I'd Rep but need to spread it.
 

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Very amazing thread, as usual. I believe that anyone could win actually.. The Range of Sasori's sand can make it to long range, and the absolute speed of it would overwhelm Deidara. The thing with Sasori is, it only takes one scratch to win.

Deidara can on the other hand, overwhelm the sand with his MASSIVE arrange of explosions. He can flank with many different clay creations, as well as Sasori can flank with his sand. It really is a toss up between who hits who first. Sasori's Core would be destroyed from any attack though.
 

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@Messiah, it takes about a week to get the idea, plan it and then make it over the course of 2/3 days.

@Everyone, Thanks for the +Rep, positive comments and great arguments, it really makes my thread making worthwhile xd

Good Point.

I have another theory as well. Though my theory is noit 100% correct, i do have the thkeory that Magnet release is used by 2 nature, and i have reason to believe that one of those natures are lightning. This is my reasoning.

Magnetism, at its root, arises from two sources:
1.Electric currents or more generally, moving electric charges create magnetic fields.
2.Many particles have nonzero "intrinsic" magnetic moments. Just as each particle, by its nature, has a certain mass and charge, each has a certain magnetic moment.

In magnetic materials, sources of magnetization are the electrons orbital angular motion around the nucleus. Which shows that Kazekage has minipulation over electrons and electric currents which could be and most likely linked to Lightning chakra (similar to tsunade's lightning chakra that she displayed by affecting neurons).

Though i cant prove this, if it is true that kazekage has ligthning release, then that is a huge advantage for sasori. (just food for thought.)lol
Very nice theory and i partially agree with it. Magnet Release is probably a combination of Earth and Lightning natures due to the earth itself being magnetic (the planet not the ground) and electricity for logical reasons.

However to counter you there, due to the extreme heats generated by lightning techniques then it would only further the process of the Iron sand being demagnetized not counter it.

im not sure who would win. sasori could beat deidara a good amount of times. about 7/10. bombs are somewhat ineffective unless it hits sasoris heart as his puppet body can just pull itself back together.
Some of Deidara's bombs are on such a scale that they would engulf Sasori's entire puppet body hence destorying his core and killing him.
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O.O Wait what ? xd

I agree with some of your points .. BUT like you stated it depends on circumstances , i.e if he is is in a cave
But the thing I got stuck with is the Iron sand ..
If it got hotter wouldn't this become an advantage for Sasori ? :shrug: He'd be able to disperse the sand around which is scorching hot which would burn Deidara, if he gets a big enough hold with the sand on him then shouldn't this burn him severely .. ? Idk if I am getting my point across properly lol :p

And also Deidara's microscopic bombs also wouldn't work on Sasori if he intended for him to inhale them as he doesn't need to breathe ;) just throwing it out there :scorps:
It would become scorching hot but Sasori wouldn't be able to manipulate it any more as it being demagnetized and so unaffected by the Third Kazekage's Magnet Release xd

Yeah C4 is pretty much a non-factor in this fight unless Sasori falls directly into the range of it, or its used on Sasori's Third Kazekage puppet.

Very amazing thread, as usual. I believe that anyone could win actually.. The Range of Sasori's sand can make it to long range, and the absolute speed of it would overwhelm Deidara. The thing with Sasori is, it only takes one scratch to win.

Deidara can on the other hand, overwhelm the sand with his MASSIVE arrange of explosions. He can flank with many different clay creations, as well as Sasori can flank with his sand. It really is a toss up between who hits who first. Sasori's Core would be destroyed from any attack though.
True but Sasori could defend against all bombs from C1 and C2 with his Iron Sand with not much difficutly due to the little heat generated by them and the relatively small force of the explosions.

Sasori would go more on the defensive in this fight with Deidara probably taking the offensive due to the distance advantage and their respective fighting styles.
 
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