Proof that Akatsuki > 10 Greatest Kages of History (Actual Explanation Inside)

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1) Tie or itachi
-2) Kisame till we see the seconds FEATS
-3) Fifth Mizukage
-4) Fourth Hokage
-5) Second Mizukage
-6) Sasori already won this battle
-7) not sure though zetsu has been shown to be able to merge with more than just the ground so maybe he can merge with sand and black zetsu was able to fight the fifth mizukage and her entire platoon for a long time
-8) Nagato
-9) Third Tsuchikage
-10)idk
Oh highly detailed thread as always +rep!
 
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I didn't agree with the kisame one and I think if you were to match them All up differently the outcome would be different but overall I liked it +rep
 

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the second hokage would beat kisame since he could just summon ninja's from the past like the third raikage to fight kisame for the elemetal advantages and the second hokage can just use space time to avoid the land scaping techniques.

even if kisame used his water absorbtion shark tech the raikage would be an edo tensai with unlimited chakra and can go right threw that tech and kill kisame.

for the fourth hokage vs deidara it would depend if deidara even had the time to use that tech with the invisible c4.Minato can just throw a kunai at deidara bird teleport and place seals along the bird and even throw kunai anywhere along the area.So if minato chose to send a kunai to deidara head he can teleport instantly before deidara even can react and finish him.

but the rest were good
 

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How long did it take to make this thread? o_O
Anyway, I like how much effort and detail you put in your threads! It shows you think everything through before you post something.
The only thing I'm a bit doubtful over is the fight between Mei and Hidan. I don't know how durable Hidan is but if Mei used her Hiding in the mist technique to blind Hidan and then uses her Lava or Boil release, wouldn't that make her win the match? I mean even his body can't withstand lava when it covers his body; it would be like ice cream melting in the sun (alright very weird comparison, sorry for that, couldn't find a better comparison). Of course all this is provided that he hasn't attacked her yet to draw blood.
Anyway, this is a very good thread! +rep
Edit: alright, I can't give you rep for the moment, I have to spread it around again before I can rep you again -_-
 

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Good work but I disagree with most of those.
Minato obviously>>>>deidara. Minato could kill deidara before deidara could do one jutsu with his speed.
Onoki would destroy konan with low/mid difficulty and I'm not underrating her.
Tobirama>kisame because he had S/T jutsu so there is no way for kisame to even touch him and he also had water techniques just as good if not better than kisame.
IMO muu would beat itachi or it could be a draw
Not enough info on hiruzen to decide but nagato is obviously stronger. I give you that one just because we don't have enough info on hiruzen.
Mei would destroy hidan
And zetsu beating 5th kazekage? the fuck!
I just agree with number 10, 6, 5 and the rest I can't decide.
 
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How long did it take to make this thread? o_O
Anyway, I like how much effort and detail you put in your threads! It shows you think everything through before you post something.
The only thing I'm a bit doubtful over is the fight between Mei and Hidan. I don't know how durable Hidan is but if Mei used her Hiding in the mist technique to blind Hidan and then uses her Lava or Boil release, wouldn't that make her win the match? I mean even his body can't withstand lava when it covers his body; it would be like ice cream melting in the sun (alright very weird comparison, sorry for that, couldn't find a better comparison). Of course all this is provided that he hasn't attacked her yet to draw blood.
Anyway, this is a very good thread! +rep
Edit: alright, I can't give you rep for the moment, I have to spread it around again before I can rep you again -_-

^^Lol yeah i really thought about the Hidan and Mei thing, it all depends but judging by her fighting style she attacks first, giving Hidan the oppotunrity to draw blood (his weapon is genius in design for this effect) and its game.

But all of these fights can go either way to be honest

Lol nice comparison btw, isn't chocolate in your pocket worse?

I'm just showing why the Underdog can win, that's what i do xd
 

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you matched some wrongly ^.^

Tobi vs Minato is a is better ;x But the third Raikage still beats him.

Second beats Kisame due to well because hes a better water user duh xD.

But Akatsuki aren't really the Kage type and also Hidan will be smashed.

And i read the way you made them win. Its basically that the Kages have no knowledge or they win by pitty.

But Akatsuki are basically out of luck i mean you have 3rd Raikage a guy who can take on 2 akatsuki members xD

And the you have minato FTG.

Also Sarutobi..It depends on his age.. as a old guy he has no chance.
 

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^^Lol yeah i really thought about the Hidan and Mei thing, it all depends but judging by her fighting style she attacks first, giving Hidan the oppotunrity to draw blood (his weapon is genius in design for this effect) and its game.

But all of these fights can go either way to be honest

Lol nice comparison btw, isn't chocolate in your pocket worse?

I'm just showing why the Underdog can win, that's what i do xd
Ah yes, I had forgotten about the fact that she would probably attack first. Yes, if she does that, then it's easy for Hidan to win because he only has to scratch her enough to draw blood and then it's over for her.
But if for some reason she managed to avoid his attacks and uses those attacks combined, I think it would be a win for her - I really don't want to imagine how Hidan would look like if he survived a lava attack :eek:
But yeah, all those fights can go either way.
LOL I wouldn't know, I never had chocolate melting in my pocket xd
 

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Ah yes, I had forgotten about the fact that she would probably attack first. Yes, if she does that, then it's easy for Hidan to win because he only has to scratch her enough to draw blood and then it's over for her.
But if for some reason she managed to avoid his attacks and uses those attacks combined, I think it would be a win for her - I really don't want to imagine how Hidan would look like if he survived a lava attack :eek:
But yeah, all those fights can go either way.
LOL I wouldn't know, I never had chocolate melting in my pocket xd
LOL consider chocolate being alright, when u had a cracked egg in ur pocket everything else seems like a walk in the park

Man i'm on a roll with these comparisons, Lol and again
 

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^^Lol yeah i really thought about the Hidan and Mei thing, it all depends but judging by her fighting style she attacks first, giving Hidan the oppotunrity to draw blood (his weapon is genius in design for this effect) and its game.

But all of these fights can go either way to be honest

Lol nice comparison btw, isn't chocolate in your pocket worse?

I'm just showing why the Underdog can win, that's what i do xd
Ahahaha well if its showing why the underdog can win then Hidan can solo at least 3 kages ;x. But if we use a Naruto situation and if it was a real fight. Raikage can solo 2 akatsuki no problem. and Same for Minato ;x In Reality Akatsuki get overpowered by the Kage xD
 

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LOL consider chocolate being alright, when u had a cracked egg in ur pocket everything else seems like a walk in the park

Man i'm on a roll with these comparisons, Lol and again
O_O A cracked egg ... LOL
How long did it take to make this thread actually? Because it probably wasn't easy to combine all that information and then try to imagine how the match would go
 

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Ahahaha well if its showing why the underdog can win then Hidan can solo at least 3 kages ;x. But if we use a Naruto situation and if it was a real fight. Raikage can solo 2 akatsuki no problem. and Same for Minato ;x In Reality Akatsuki get overpowered by the Kage xD
LOL be glad i didn't mix in a blood bending (yeah i realize how dumb that was xd)

Nah these match ups are just to show its all about match ups in a fight

Sasuke would of lost to Deidara, Minato doesn't have sharingan so C4 is a mystery to him

Btw in a battle situation, books aren't handed out detailing the person's abilities meaning almost every fight is fought with no knowledge (except Pain vs Naruto)

O_O A cracked egg ... LOL
How long did it take to make this thread actually? Because it probably wasn't easy to combine all that information and then try to imagine how the match would go
3 Days work

About 3/4 Hours on the first day
About 5/6 Hours on the Second
About 3/4 On the Third Day

Lol i won't be doing another thread for at least a week xd
 
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LOL be glad i didn't mix in a blood bending (yeah i realize how dumb that was xd)

Nah these match ups are just to show its all about match ups in a fight

Sasuke would of lost to Deidara, Minato doesn't have sharingan so C4 is a mystery to him

Btw in a battle situation, books aren't handed out detailing the person's abilities meaning almost every fight is fought with no knowledge (except Pain vs Naruto)
Nah Minato can beat Deidara. Deidara isn't really that high level in the kages. I mean does deidara have anything to take on FTG?? cause minato can avoid bombs like nothing. And also if minato knows nothing of Deidara then Deidara knows nothing of Minato =D.

In battle situation when they battle they usually go prepared.
(Shikamaru vs Hidan)

Its actually up to the battle creator. But if noone has clue about the others moves.. then the Kages are OP.

Sasuke would have lost to deidara but was sasuke on Minato's level??? nope.

Minato was beyond sasuke's level at that time ;x
 

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deidara: hey minato i am going to kill u today....
minato: oh, well ok, lets hav an honourable battle, what do u say...
deidara: cool...so what next...
minato: let us shake hands like gentlemen...
deidara: are u sure it is not some kind of plot...
minato: oh come on, just a handshake...
deidara: oh what the hell..come here
*they shake hands*
minato wins......
:D :D :D :D
 

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i would have thought we'd see nagato or tobi vs hashirama. anyway neg. most of your points are awful

byakugan and sensory abilities. However due to Itachi's Sharingan this would be rendered almost useless due to the ability to see chakra flowing through a person.
if byakugan cant see him how can sharingan? he erases his chakra so theres no chakra there to be flowing

hilst the Yata Mirror was a shield able to deflect any attack. The Yata Mirror is key to Itachi's victory in the battle due the nature of Jinton (Dust Release
no it isnt as it hasnt done shit. it literally has one sentence of hype and then is completely forgotten about. for a supposed ultimate defence it sure sucks. i mean with that, shouldnt anything kabuto did be meaningless? kabuto said sound waves travel through it and a genjutsu is a form of attack. meaning itachis defence is not so absolute. but it never was.

He was shown to be so proficient in Genjutsu that he could cast one just by pointing one finger at the opponent.
and he didnt use this vs kabuto because...

Itachi's Fire Release Techniques were on a whole another level being of such a magnitude able to make samehada cringe due to the intensity of the heat and able to even take out most water Release techniques.
wrong. itachis only fire release jutsu that was even the minimal bit of effective was when he hurt samehada just a little bit. i mean come on! sasukes great dragon fire creates giant storm clouds and toad oil flame bullet dwarfs a giant toad. itachis katons SUCK.

was able to keep up with Naruto in Kybuui Chakra mode showing a great level of Taijutsu
naruto wasnt even trying in the least and he was only keeping up cos of sharingan prediction. also naruto was at a 13th of his actual power

Yata Mirror able to defend against Jinton
The Yata Mirror has been stated in the Manga to be able to deflect any attack
hagukei dragon went through it as did sound genjutsu. even if the sound waves hit yata from behind, shouldnt it cancel out? this means non physical attacks like the flash bang are a perfect counter. the flash of light from a dust release attack blinds itachi and then muu goes invisible so itachi will let susano down or at least use partial form. remember itachi cant use the full susano for very long.

should do the same with Mu's Dust Release. This would give Itachi's Susanno increased durability as Mu is unable to one shot his susanno
if muus dust is a huge cube then it should blow up all parts of susano but the mirror. making it useless, if it only deflects what directly hits it.
Kisame was unparalled in magnitude when it came to Water Release techniques except by a select few including Tobirama.
no. EXCLUDING tobirama. show me when tobirama creates a fukin lake. you cant

He had very high chakra reserves
no he didnt. nothing suggests this other than the hokage rank and his water without a source was actually basic kage level stuff, expected of them. water without a source is a matter of skill.
also hiruzen considers himself stronger than everyone else on his team and confident hed live through what tobirama couldnt.

He is hailed and recognised as the best water user in the entire Naruto verse
not once has this ever occured. check the databooks. check the manga. you wont find a single shred of evidence of this.

Water Release: Water Dragon Bullet Technique with one seal when it takes most other water uses 18 seals to perform the same technique.
since theres only 4 users thats not really saying that much. not against kisame

This was a powerful sensory technique
so why did it only detect them then? it would have been nice had tobirma seen them coming and escaped before they got surrounded. but tobirama is an awful fighter and put everyone in danger. why didnt he have some traps set up to warn them of enemies? kage level shinobis should easily be capable of that. hell genins did it in SRA. this is just embarassing as a feat

According to Minato, Tobirama was very skilled in the art of Space-Time Ninjutsu,
no according to minato tobi shat on them both. since tobirama was the only other person worth mentioning who used it, minato brought him up. but its like he was saying tobi is beyond kage level rather than implying tobirama was as good as him. if hes so good how come he cant just warp away from kin and gin? they went kyuubi no doubt as if your hit by their rope its a one hit kill and the fights over.

Kisame has shown time and time again to be extremely proficent with Water Release Ninjutsu being able to summon large amounts of water which could argubably rival the level of Tobirama's Water Release.
no he blows him completely out of the water. tobirama is like a finger. kisames like a whole arm. thats the gap in their water power.
which most shinobi would find to be a impossible.
katons have almost never been any threat to anyone

The nature of Mei's slow moving attacks e.g. viscous lava and a stream of boiling vapour would mean that Hidan would be able to dodge her attacks with relative ease.
so mist is slow now? hidan wont know whats melting his face till its too late.

arguably the best fire release user of all time Madara Uchiha.
no thatd be jiraiya. if youve seen the sannin fight. augmented by oil thatd make it on a different level to any regular katons.

Immunity to the nature of Mei's Jutsus and fighting style
when your hit by a water dragon its bound to hurt. and once hidans knocked on his ass, vapor style melts his scythe. game over. he cant do anything to her without it.

Hidan's fighting style when combined with his signature move: Curse Jutsu Death Possession blood is a fatal combo as simply landing one hit whether light or heavy, drawing blood would be the same as killing the opponent.
asuma countered it by fighting against it just a little bit, by cutting hidans head off. in fact once realising hes immortal and not dying to her regular attacks, she'd resort to that. hidden mist makes it nigh impossible for this dumbass to even find her. mist + acid = dead hidan.

Hidan far exceeds Mei when it comes to physical capabilities, whether its agility, taijutsu, strength and speed
need i remind you she intercepted and kicked away black zetsu, and took a punch from one of the 25 susanos. though gaara cushioned her fall. mei sensed the danger of pollen before anyone else meaning she has incredible deductive skill. mei was planning on fighting against danzo after learning he had a strong ass genjutsu and was the hokage. so mei will notice something is wrong when hidan starts drawing a circle. and against meis constant melting barrage, standing there making a circle is like "hey melt me!"

I've already explained how devastating this Jutsu is and it most likely Deidara's winning the fight against Minato. This jutsu is undetectable by Minato and without prior knowledge
so your assuming no knowledge in any of your matchups? deidara therefore would probably use C4 only as a last resort. deidara considered hebi sasuke and onoki to be as fast or faster than him. clay bird is useless as minato will summon gamabunta and slice off his bird wing thing. then again deidara was avoiding gaaras sand with that. in any case, gama's huge water bullets knock deidara for a spin. and his size means he could survive C1.
in any case you claim its undetectable but SO IS DEATH GOD. with minato deidara is doomed to only draw with minato if minatos intent on doing everything he can to kill deidara immediately.

Deidara is also able to use the range of the battle to his advantage by flying on his C2 Dragon rendering Minato's close range ninjutsu momentarily useless.
your assuming minato will stand there and let this happen. deidara always starts out kinda face to face with his opponent. he will dodge the kunai thinking its a regular ass kunai only to be HOLY SHIT BLITZ RASENGAN'd. the end. minato is the victor.

Kakuzu combined with his sentient creatures who contain his other 4 hearts outnumber the Second Mizukage at 5 to 1 meaning the odds are literally stacked against him.
kakuzus beasts have to appear out of his back after a hand seal. you think mizukage will just stand there with his thumb up his ass? kakuzu has no visible counter for mirage genjutsu. and if you remember the genjutsu is cast on mizukage and the clam, hiding them. but it doesnt make mizukages attacks any less real as shown when he defeated several fodders without trying. this means kakuzu has to constantly defend against an intangible mizukage sending a very fast chibi clone that explodes when hot, and a very fast and powerful suiton bullet-like attack.
i dont think he has that kind of chakra levels. it may end up just stalemating till kakuzus long range fuutons take the clam out. then again jouki boi melts gold. itd melt the masks no problem. even tenten destroyed some masks.

He is able to use Long Range Katon (fire) attacks
when you get how jouki boi works thats his worst possible strategy

Lethal nature of Sasori's Successful Attacks
Sasori's attacks landing on the opponent is as deadly as Hidan drawing blood due to all of his weapons being poisoned meaning even a single cut could prove to be fatal. Due to no prior knowledge on Sasori the opponent won't realize how deadly him landing even successful hit is
irrelevant. third's iron sand negates the metal in sasoris puppets weapons. and it also negates the puppets themselves making them unable to move simply by throwing a few iron sand drizzles at them then expanding them.

Due to Sasori having a collection of 298 Puppets of Shinobi who retain their ablates means that he can in theory utilize many Kekkei Genkais and elemental abilities.
....no it doesnt. 100 puppets showed nothing special and sasori himself/third kaze were probably the only human puppets in existence

Hiruko takes this to the next level as Sasori is able fight in close combat despite being a puppet user meaning he eliminates a puppet user's biggest weakness
its biggest weakness is the man himself. third kazekage.

Combined with Sasori's powerful fire streams it becomes near impossible to evade all of their attacks
well if hes allowed so many puppets for offence which he never showed in that manner, then third should be able to employ a gaara style defence and block out all of it.
making it as hard as diamond
how do you know?

With this technique Zetsu is able to plant spores on the opponent when they are not aware of it, then it actives remotely when Zetsu wants it to
it was stated as time delayed. and besides if hit, gaara just sheds sand armour. mizukage defeated the zetsu that hit her by simply melting it. gaara takes his sand and tears zetsu off of him
Both Zetsu's have demonstrated the ability to use space time ninjutsu by merging with the earth and travelling very quickly underground allowing him to be anywhere on the battlefield whilst fighting Gaara making it so that he is able to dodge all of Gaara's attacks easily.
lols good luck with that. black zetsu couldnt mayfly out of chojuros sword attack. meaning it really isnt that fast and only used for spy purposes.

Recording Ability to learn Gaara's Moveset
Zetsu has the ability to record fights and so whilst fighting Gaara he can learn all of Gaara's moves when he demonstrates them on his clones allowing him to known how to dodge/counter them and when there is opportunity to sneak in and attach his chakra stealing spores.
considering gaaras style is to restrain everyone whos on the battlefield from below, then crush them with a tsunami, clones are meaningless. they are crushed and defeated before they can learn anything.

White Zetsu is able to overwhlem Gaara's ultimate sand defense with countless clones of himself
hes gonna need a shitload. gaara need not be defensive vs this clown anyway. you think zetsu can do all that you say he can instantly while constantly evading gaaras control over the entire battlefield.

-Plant spores on Gaara with the same sneak method used in the Five Kage Summit to hold down the Kage
its time delayed or hed have done it as soon as sasuke got in there.
-Having superior to speed to many except if they specialize in it
konans shown no special speed that im aware of

e Trump Card of Planetary Devastation
This is Nagato's Trump card against Hiruzen
he doesnt need a damn trump card. bansho tennin + chakra absorb with one hand, soul rip with king of hell, asura path cannon with the spare hand.

Nagato's state of being able to walk he can permanently seal Nagato's soul in the belly of the Death God.
*points to above bansho + soul rip combo*

He can also create a massive mud slide with his Earth Release Techniques then use the same to create use the technique Earth Release: Earth Dragon bullet to shoot mud balls at the opponent
filler and if you REALLY WANT TO DO THAT then deva can punch the ground and summon a lake. its a filler feat so its valid.

3) Sucking in the Third Raikage with his warping technique
Tobi's method of "winning the fight against the Third Raikage is through this method. This is a method where he sucks the Third into a void shown when he took Foo and Torune inside him.
he solidifies for that and if thirds quick enough he may hit tobi in that period of time

after a heated and pretty equal battle.
lols...

Outnumbering Onoki with Paper Clones
Konan was shown to be in almost every location in the pain invasion Arc, she was also shown with a massive amount of paper clones when fighting against the Aburame clan
filler. countered by rock clones

They can be used in bulk to smother and restrict Onoki
lightening jutsu petrifies the paper into rock

Itachi's susanno possessing the forbidden weapons, the totsuka sword and Yata mirror means Jinton can be deflect (maintain Itachi's Susanno) and one successful hit of either Amarestu or the totsuka sword ends the fight for Muu.
which is why they wont ever be hitting him

so his threat of a sneak attack is eliminated by this ability of the sharingan
read what kabuto said more carefully

Kakuzu having 5 allies means that he has a plausible counter to the Mizukage's Genjutsu
more like 5 parts of himself

With no attacks able to kill Hidan
im sure he will be unabel to continue when melted by acid

Mei would surely be on less of a guard then she should be and the nature of his triple scythe means it is the perfect weapon to draw blood.
so she wants to be hit by a giant ass steel blade? as if she wont try and avoid it otherwise?

Mei would underestimate her opponent due to no knowledge of his powers
then same goes for all akatsuki member fights. itachi wont know muu even is there till its too late
 
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