Proof that Akatsuki > 10 Greatest Kages of History (Actual Explanation Inside)
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1) Itachi > Second Tsuchikage
-2) Kisame > Second Hokage
-3) Hidan < Fifth Mizukage
-4) Deidara < Fourth Hokage
-5) Kakuzu > Second Mizukage
-6) Sasori < Third Kazekage
-7) Zetsu < Fifth Kazekage
-8) Nagato > Third Hokage
-9) Konan < Third Tsuchikage
-10)Tobi > Third Raikage
-2) Kisame > Second Hokage
-3) Hidan < Fifth Mizukage
-4) Deidara < Fourth Hokage
-5) Kakuzu > Second Mizukage
-6) Sasori < Third Kazekage
-7) Zetsu < Fifth Kazekage
-8) Nagato > Third Hokage
-9) Konan < Third Tsuchikage
-10)Tobi > Third Raikage
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This guy makes some very interesting threads. However, damn YOU and the solid points you make. There is no way the akatsuki can beat the kages.....right?
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I have to give you an A+ for effort. Great points. I still disagree. The 10 kages take this fairly easy. It is interesting, since most of what we have seen is Akatsuki in action. I believe that all those matchups can go either way. My point is that in order to win a fight, it takes more than techniques and power. The location, situation, and determination has a lot to do with who wins the fight. Example, Shikamaru defeated Hidan with one jutsu and strategy. The Kages are too battle savy for Akatsuki. The only ones I see giving the kages a hard time are Itachi and Tobi. Once they are matched up with other Kages, they would loose mid difficulty.
1) Itachi vs Second Tsuchikage=2nd Tsuhikage wins
The 2nd Tsuhikage can use the dust style ninjutsu which no one has real faced so there no know counter to it plus he can fly and is deadly quick .With Itachi's mid chakra supply he won't be able to dodge the Dust style for long.
2) Kisame vs Second Hokage=2nd Hokage
A close match but the 2nd Hokage is not known as the best ever water style user in history for nothing.
3) Hidan vs Fifth Mizukage=5th Mizukage win
This one is easy Hidan may be immortal but that's not always a good thing with the Mei's Boil and Lava style ninjutsu she will boil him alive but he won't die; after that he will be unable to move due to his muscles being melted off.
4)Deidara vs Fourth Hokage=4th Hokage win
It will not be easy for Minato to reach Deidara in the sky but Minato teleporting jutsu will only make Deidara mad then he will do something stupid and that’s when he will lose.
5) Kakuzu vs Second Mizukage=Draw
This one is the hardest to predict and will most likely end in a draw
6) Sasori vs Third Kazekage=?
As we know Sarsori killed the Kazekage before leaving the Sand Village but we don’t known if he killed him in his sleep or beat him with his poison so I can’t say who would win.
7) Zetsu vs Fifth Kazekage=Gaara Win
A tough match since Zetsu can merge with the ground but he has to attack Gaara to win then Gaara will win.
8) Nagato vs Third Hokage=Nagato Win
Simply the rinnegan will over power the third and he will lose just like what happen to Jiraiya.
9) Konan vs Third Tsuchikage=Onoki Win
Like Itachi she will be over powered by the dust style ninjutsu.
10) Tobi vs Third Raikage=Tobi win
If the Raikage can’t hit him he can’t beat him.
Kages 6 – Akatsuki 2
Kages win.
The 2nd Tsuhikage can use the dust style ninjutsu which no one has real faced so there no know counter to it plus he can fly and is deadly quick .With Itachi's mid chakra supply he won't be able to dodge the Dust style for long.
2) Kisame vs Second Hokage=2nd Hokage
A close match but the 2nd Hokage is not known as the best ever water style user in history for nothing.
3) Hidan vs Fifth Mizukage=5th Mizukage win
This one is easy Hidan may be immortal but that's not always a good thing with the Mei's Boil and Lava style ninjutsu she will boil him alive but he won't die; after that he will be unable to move due to his muscles being melted off.
4)Deidara vs Fourth Hokage=4th Hokage win
It will not be easy for Minato to reach Deidara in the sky but Minato teleporting jutsu will only make Deidara mad then he will do something stupid and that’s when he will lose.
5) Kakuzu vs Second Mizukage=Draw
This one is the hardest to predict and will most likely end in a draw
6) Sasori vs Third Kazekage=?
As we know Sarsori killed the Kazekage before leaving the Sand Village but we don’t known if he killed him in his sleep or beat him with his poison so I can’t say who would win.
7) Zetsu vs Fifth Kazekage=Gaara Win
A tough match since Zetsu can merge with the ground but he has to attack Gaara to win then Gaara will win.
8) Nagato vs Third Hokage=Nagato Win
Simply the rinnegan will over power the third and he will lose just like what happen to Jiraiya.
9) Konan vs Third Tsuchikage=Onoki Win
Like Itachi she will be over powered by the dust style ninjutsu.
10) Tobi vs Third Raikage=Tobi win
If the Raikage can’t hit him he can’t beat him.
Kages 6 – Akatsuki 2
Kages win.
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Sorry no one is greater than the 1st hokage Hashirama Senju. :flaw:
Tobirama is the most powerful water jutsu user EVER! Any water skill Kisame uses will be child's play against the 2nd Hokage. Tobirama would simply use Kisame's own water attacks against him.
Secondly, Tobirama Senju has the lighting god sword and Kisame would be weak against that.
Kisame's sword could absorb chakra, but how would he get close enough to do so?
Also Kisame cant stand up to Edo Tensei.
Tobirama also trained the 3rd Hokage and I think we both know that Kisame would not stand a chance against the 3rd Hokage either.
Tobirama is the most powerful water jutsu user EVER! Any water skill Kisame uses will be child's play against the 2nd Hokage. Tobirama would simply use Kisame's own water attacks against him.
Secondly, Tobirama Senju has the lighting god sword and Kisame would be weak against that.
Kisame's sword could absorb chakra, but how would he get close enough to do so?
Also Kisame cant stand up to Edo Tensei.
Tobirama also trained the 3rd Hokage and I think we both know that Kisame would not stand a chance against the 3rd Hokage either.
Great, great points Negative Knight!! You have my respect :worshippy: ; what a well thought-out, nicely written, interesting, and thought-provoking post!! +rep to the max, and I will definitely be looking forward to more from you in the future! (I'm a 'Base regular--I just don't post much xd ... in case you were wondering...) :ghehe:
I agree that Itachi, Sasori, Nagato and Tobi would win. But you underestimate the kages. Why do you think they are Kages ? It's because they are the most powerful shinobi in their village.
1.WTF Kisame would **** up Tobirama. Tobimara was said to be the greatest water element user of all time.
2.Fifth Mizukage will just melt Hidan.
3.Right about Minato why bother explaining we know he'll just throw a kunai at him with a seal and FTG him.
4.Second Mizukage will just explode the **** out of him.
5.Gaara will create a wall of shield like what he did against Deidara.
6.Dust Release!!!! Boom Modda ****a boom bye bye Konan
1.WTF Kisame would **** up Tobirama. Tobimara was said to be the greatest water element user of all time.
2.Fifth Mizukage will just melt Hidan.
3.Right about Minato why bother explaining we know he'll just throw a kunai at him with a seal and FTG him.
4.Second Mizukage will just explode the **** out of him.
5.Gaara will create a wall of shield like what he did against Deidara.
6.Dust Release!!!! Boom Modda ****a boom bye bye Konan
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Umm, where, the ****! Is Hashirama....... He would beat any akatsuki. Considering Madara went easy on mu and oonki and beat them.
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One thing... Tobirama can use the water Kisame uses while merged with Samehada too can't he? Tobirama is a master water technique user so, I doubt he would lose to Kisame in the water bubble..
I didn't really read anymore... kinda stopped after reading the one about Deidera beating the 4th Hokage.. I thought that was bullcrap!
Also, since you decided the match-ups, its pretty obvious why the Akatsuki would win...
but, +rep for the time and effort! xd
I didn't really read anymore... kinda stopped after reading the one about Deidera beating the 4th Hokage.. I thought that was bullcrap!
Also, since you decided the match-ups, its pretty obvious why the Akatsuki would win...
but, +rep for the time and effort! xd
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The water basically is chakra or at least infused with chakra... kisame WILL give him a hard time
and the 2nd would never do something so irresponsible as edo tensei...i mean look what happened with edo madara:ice:The flying thunder god technique might be a lil hard for kisame to deal with though
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Akatsuki vs 10 Greatest Kages of History
Points to read before reading the thread:
-Hashirama Senju is not included as his level of strength is too much for any shinobi even if Madara Uchiha was to join Akatsuki
-The Fourth Raikage is not included as he is a weaker version of his dad
-A>B>C Logic doesn't apply in this thread, though Shikamaru beat Hidan he can still beat people stronger than shikamaru
-These match ups are for the sole purpose of hightlighting the Akatsuki's strength level against their own or to show there is a such thing as a bad matchup e.g. Minato and Deidara
Contents
-1) Itachi vs Second Tsuchikage
-2) Kisame vs Second Hokage
-3) Hidan vs Fifth Mizukage
-4) Deidara vs Fourth Hokage
-5) Kakuzu vs Second Mizukage
-6) Sasori vs Third Kazekage
-7) Zetsu vs Fifth Kazekage
-8) Nagato vs Third Hokage
-9) Konan vs Third Tsuchikage
-10)Tobi vs Third Raikage
Itachi Uchiha vs Second Tsuchikage
Why Itachi could win against the Second Tsuchikage ?
1) Destructive Nature of Amaretsu that can parallel Jinton
As i mentioned earlier Amaretsuand Dust Release both share the same principe of being the user's ultimate ninjutsu and the ability to be lethal with as little as one succesful hit, Amaretsu constantly burning till nothing remains and Dust Release disintegrating the user on contact. This would give Itachi a good advantage in the sense he is able counter Mu's Jinton and his opponent has to be weary as himself because of the fatality of eachother's Jutsus.
2) Yata Mirror able to defend against Jinton
The Yata Mirror has been stated in the Manga to be able to deflect any attack and so should do the same with Mu's Dust Release. This would give Itachi's Susanno increased durability as Mu is unable to one shot his susanno how Oonki was shown to do to several Susanno Clones all at once. It also disarms Mu's most powerful projectiles techniques and only allows him to rely more heavily on his large scale Earth Techniques.
3) Genjutsu's ability to avoid direct confrontations
Itachi also has the advantage of having another move that can win the match with one successful use. Tsukymoni. The nature of this technique immoblises the opponent and does heavy damage (leaving Kakashi in the hospital for a extended period after one use) in general. The user can then go in for a simple kill and end the match with that. Genjutsu can only be used to make the terrain look different e.g. make much more cover appear then there actually is meaning taking cover behind the terrain wouldn't actually work.
Kisame Hoshigaki vs Second Hokage
Why Kisame could defeat the Second Hokage ?
1) Theoretical Unlimited Stamina and wearing down the opponent
Kisame's high chakra levels when used in conjuction with his symbiotic relationship with Samehada gives him a great advantage in battle as fatigue no longer becomes a determining factor in his part and if he is able to survive
a long match whilst dragging it whilst simultaneously gradually absorbing the opponent's chakra then it no longer becomes a question of "if" Kisame wins the fight but "when" Tobirama can no longer fight or his combat capacity drops below that of Kisame.
2) Ability to match and even exceed Tobirama's Water Ninjutsu
Kisame has shown time and time again to be extremely proficent with Water Release Ninjutsu being able to summon large amounts of water which could argubably rival the level of Tobirama's Water Release. His Great Water Shark Bullet Jutsu is able to become infinitely stronger depending on the magnitude of the opponent's ninjutsu meaning Tobirama's masses of water release would only strengthen Kisame's trump card to a unimaginable level of strength which would undoubtedly win him the match.
3) Ability to Warp the Terrain + Samehada Fusion Mode
Kisame's Water Release can also be used for another purpose of warping the very terrain to benefit him e.g. when he summoned the Water Dome Jutsu which would of killed Killer Bee if Kisame wished it to. Then he can counter his own weakness of drowning by fusing with Samehada which means he can also attack the opponent whilst in the dome causing them to drown much quicker.
Hidan vs Fifth Mizukage
Why Hidan would be able to Defeat the Fifth Mizukage?
1) Immunity to the nature of Mei's Jutsus and fighting style
Due to the way Mei fights relying heavily on her two Kekkei Genkai and rarely if ever showing any Taijutsu, she was shown to be equally matched in Taijutsu with black Zetsu meaning her level in close combat is extremely low. This means it wouldn't be in Mei's capacity to take off Hidan's head meaning he could simply wear her down or overwhelm her with his superior taijutsu. Hidan is also immune to Mei's non destructive water release techniques, can tank both her kekkei genkais if necessary and can land a destructive hit as a result.
2) Fatality of Hidan's Fighting Style
Hidan's fighting style when combined with his signature move: Curse Jutsu Death Possession blood is a fatal combo as simply landing one hit whether light or heavy, drawing blood would be the same as killing the opponent. If the opponent is unable to behead hidan then his fighting style reaches the fatality level of landing one successful of Amaretsu and Jinton.
3) Hidan's Superior Taijutsu and agility
Hidan far exceeds Mei when it comes to physical capabilities, whether its agility, taijutsu, strength and speed (demonstrated through his evasion of a fire ball at point blank range). This means that tanking all of Mei's medium range jutsus would mean if he gets her in a one on one close range confrontation he would eventually overwhelm her and succeed in drawing in blood, effectively killing Mei.
Deidara and Fourth Hokage
Why Deidara could defeat the Fourth Hokage ?
1) Deidara's C4 Microscopic Bomb Trump Card
I've already explained how devastating this Jutsu is and it most likely Deidara's winning the fight against Minato. This jutsu is undetectable by Minato and without prior knowledge or the sharingan it is seemingly undodgeable as well. Minato would be unable to deduce that there are microscopic bombs and the fact they enter your blood stream through your respiratory system.
2) Range of the Battle + C2 Clay Mines
Deidara is also able to use the range of the battle to his advantage by flying on his C2 Dragon rendering Minato's close range ninjutsu momentarily useless. Combinded with Deidara's clay mines he is able to prevent Minato moving on the ground meaning he must remain airborn. Also Summons are made unavailable because of the lack of terrain to summon them to.
3) Tracking Nature of Clay Bombs
Another way Deidara beats Minato is combining the above things with tracking clay bombs that put pressure on Minato by making him constantly move with FTG by remaining airborn whilst simultaneously dodging volley after volley of small creatures who explode on contact and track him. This would mean Minato would need to constantly use his FTG Kunai without having them to reuse them thus putting pressure on his supply after the fall to the minefield below.
Kakuzu vs Second Mizukage
Why Kakuzu could defeat the Second Mizukage ?
1) Elemental Versatility and Advantage
Kakuzu has the overall advantage in this battle having a seeminly infinite amount of battle tactics compared to the Second Mizukage who is limited in movset when compared to Kakuzu. He is able to use Long Range Katon (fire) attacks when at a distance to overwhelm the Second Mizukage and with the added side effect of dehydrating him quicker meaning he fatigues much faster. His Wind Release can be used a mid range offensive, used to knock away projectiles and strengthen his fire for a even more devastating effect.
Kakuzu's main advantage is the use of his lightnign elmenet which can be used as a one shot win paralyzing the Mizukage when he is in his Hozuki state and then finishing him with a large scale elemental barrage. The Second Mizukage's severe weakness to lightning release techniques could be his downfall in this fight.
2) Immunity to Second Mizukage's Taijutsu and Exploding Clone
Kakuzu's technique Earth Release: Earth Spear hardens his skin to its utmost limits making it as hard as diamond. This renders Taijutsu useless against him and makes him extremely resistant to the blasts of the Second Mizukage's Infinite Exploding Clone.
3) Outnumbering the Second Mizukage 5 vs 1 and Immortality
Kakuzu combined with his sentient creatures who contain his other 4 hearts outnumber the Second Mizukage at 5 to 1 meaning the odds are literally stacked against him. Five opponent's fighting him at once makes it impossible for him to cast his genjutsu as the 4 black creatures shoot volleys of elemental blasts ruthlessly and indiscriminately.
Sasori vs The Third Kazekage
Why Sasori could defeat the Third Kazekage ?
1)Lethal nature of Sasori's Successful Attacks
Sasori's attacks landing on the opponent is as deadly as Hidan drawing blood due to all of his weapons being poisoned meaning even a single cut could prove to be fatal. Due to no prior knowledge on Sasori the opponent won't realize how deadly him landing even successful hit is and having no antidote readily available means you'll eventually become immobilized and swiftly killed by Sasori.
2)Battle Versatitliy and Infinite Battle Tactics
Due to Sasori having a collection of 298 Puppets of Shinobi who retain their ablates means that he can in theory utilize many Kekkei Genkais and elemental abilities. This gives him a battle versatility like no other Shinobi due to the nature of him being able to alternate between Human puppets and utilize their techniques as his own.
Hiruko takes this to the next level as Sasori is able fight in close combat despite being a puppet user meaning he eliminates a puppet user's biggest weakness and alternating between his different forms would be difficult for the opponent as they constantly have to adapt to different fighting styles in a life/death situation.
3)Overwhelming 100 Puppets + Fire Release Techniques
Sasori's final trump card his performance of 100 Puppets is guaranteed to overwhelm the opponent and win him the match. Throughout the match the opponent is constantly having to adpat to Sasori's different styles of fighting but his final form is too much to handle increasing his puppet amount from a maximum 2 (Mother and Father) to a massive 100 meaning the battle becomes 101 vs 1 and assuming their weapons are all poisoned then one hit is fatal.
Combined with Sasori's powerful fire streams it becomes near impossible to evade all of their attacks and the Third Kazekage is pushed to become increasingly defensive with his Iron Sand making the risk of him attacking and killing Sasori decrease greatly.
Zetsu vs The Fifth Kazekage
Why Zetsu could win against the Fifth Kazekage?
1) Planting Chakra Sucking Spores on Gaara
This is Zetsu's main and one of his only ways of being able to win a fight against a Gaara. By planting Gaara with these spores whilst distracting him with White Zetsu clones can almost guarantee a win against Gaara. After they're planted on him they erupt and begin to restrain him. With no way of escaping it Gaara's chakra is rapidly sucked out of him.
He can also combine this with the below method for further effectiveness
2) Overwhelm him Clones + Body Stealing Transformation
White Zetsu is able to overwhlem Gaara's ultimate sand defense with countless clones of himself which would distract him from the main white zetsu who blends into the crowd in the frenzy of attacks.
White Zetsu can use this for several purposes
-Plant spores on Gaara with the same sneak method used in the Five Kage Summit to hold down the Kage
-Erupt the spores to restrain Gaara and simultaneously drain his chakra levels drastically
-Proceed to allow the White Zetsu clones to absorb Gaara's Chakra and make a army of weaker Gaara clones. This means that Gaara is in a critical state of weakness when he breaks out faced against an army of Gaara's (which are arguably stronger than him) meaning they can control his sand when he aims to use it against them. Also because of the sheer numbers they can hold back even his largest techniques because of the combined effort of all the Gaara identicals.
Konan vs Third Tsuchikage
Why Konan could defeat the Third Tscuhikage ?
1) Restraining Onoki with paper + Bombarding him with Explosive Clones
Konan can use her clones for two purposes, essentially using them as intelligent kamikaze bombs. They can be used in bulk to smother and restrict Onoki (as shown in the pain invasion arc when Konan was interrogating people) and cause them to all explode simultaneously. This method was shown to be used against Tobi taking off his right arm and half of his mask even though he sucked in the majority of the explosion.
2) Ability to avoid Jinton + Weightlessness
Konan's Dance of shikigami allows her to become as weightless as paper as well as fly very quickly compared to other aerial shinobi. Due to the slow nature of Jinton, Konan would be able to avoid it constantly because of her incredibly fast flying due to her being made of individual sheets of paper.
3) Outnumbering Onoki with Paper Clones
Konan was shown to be in almost every location in the pain invasion Arc, she was also shown with a massive amount of paper clones when fighting against the Aburame clan. Due to their sensory abilities they narrowly escaped Konan's explosive clones assault which would of killed them or severely maimed them.
Due to the odds Konan could greatly outnumber Onoki preoccupying him with attacking her weightless clones which can avoid all of his large scale and much slower attacks.
It can also make hitting Onoki with explosive clones much easier as being preoccupied with odds starting from 11 vs 1 would divide both Onoki's efforts and attention to Konan's underlying effects of the technique.
Nagato vs Hiruzen Prime
Why Nagato would be able to defeat the Third Hokage ?
1) The Trump Card of Planetary Devastation
This is Nagato's Trump card against Hiruzen similar to his use of the Reaper Death Seal. Hiruzen has no known counter except his Katon techniques which could be taken out by rubble crushing over it, his Earth Techniques would simply strengthen the technique by "adding fuel to the fire", simply increasing the size of the structure inevitably strengthening its gravitational pull on hiruzen causing it to become even stronger furthering the vicious cycle of getting infinitely stronger.
2) Massive Elemental Versatility and Infinite Battle Tactics
Nagato's ability to use every single one of the five basic elements means he has a advantage over every element by using his in a efficent way.
It also gives him the ability to have infinite battle tactics using the following method:
-Fire Element used as a Long Range Offensive Method to use in volleys and large superheated blasts to overwhelm Hiruzen.
-Wind Element used as a Mid Range offensive method to deflect Hiruzen's projectiles.
-Earth Element used as a strength boost, transportation, offensive and defensive elements. It can also be used to warp the terrain.
-Lightning Element can be used in many versatile situations e.g. to demagnetize the Third Kazekage's iron sand, paralyze user's of the Hozuki Clan and also to overpower Hiruzen's Earth Element techs.
3) Ability to absorb all Ninjutsu used by Hiruzen
Nagato also has the ability to absorb all ninjutsu used by Hiruzen severely disadvantaging him in battle.
It also means that Nagato can have a distinct advantage in terms of the elements as if Hiruzen's Earth Element overpowers his Water element then he can absorb the incoming blast rather than having to worry about a impending threat which is overpowering his own ninjutsu, basically allowing him to turn disadvantage into a advantage.
fail thread dude. team akatsuki will win only if kages will be masterbating with their both hands during battle.