PROOF:_ Jiraya is stronger than Itachi

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You have a point but I'll counter this with facts not dumb fanboy talk.

In a real fight what was susano'o's weakness. Attacks to the user. The only attack that could get to a susano'o user is sound genjutsu. What is Sage jiraiya's most powerful move in sage mode. That sound genjutsu with Ma and Pa used was strong enough to counter the Rinnegan which is superior to the MS.

Sage mode also allows you a type of sixth sense which will allow Jiraiya to sense the amateratsu.

Tsukiyomi could easily be countered by having Ma and Pa disruptJiraiya's chakra. That beats itachi's main three moves right there..
The sound genjutsu takes time which itachi can take advantage of.

Just because he can sense it doesn't mean he is gonna dodge it.

The problem with this and all of the other above points is that who is to say jiraiya can even make to sm in time before itachi kills him. His summons and him would easily be killed by amaterasu or taken over with genjutsu.
 

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The sound genjutsu takes time which itachi can take advantage of.

Just because he can sense it doesn't mean he is gonna dodge it.

The problem with this and all of the other above points is that who is to say jiraiya can even make to sm in time before itachi kills him. His summons and him would easily be killed by amaterasu or taken over with genjutsu.
it doesnt take Jiraiya that long to enter sage mode. He summons Ma and Pa. They attach themselves to him and gather Natural Energy.

That leaves Jiraiya free to do other techs while the toad sages are doing their jobs. Also when has amateratsu ever killed anybody but Zetsu's never so count that move as a loss.
 
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We haven't really seen Itachi go berserk... I mean fighting Sasuke he still held back so he would not kill him, and je was on the verge of death due to illness. We saw Jiraya do his best so we can judge his strength. Honestly, it is kind of a toss up to me :p
 

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it doesnt take Jiraiya that long to enter sage mode. He summons Ma and Pa. They attach themselves to him and gather Natural Energy.

That leaves Jiraiya free to do other techs while the toad sages are doing their jobs. Also when has amateratsu ever killed anybody but Zetsu's never so count that move as a loss.
It actually took him quite a while and itachi would acknowledge the threat and kill him.

When had the tbb really killed anyone? Don't underrate it cuz it hasn't killed anyone.
 

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Let's do this point by point, I'll start by letting you know, Itachi doesn't need ms , He can end this like he did Orochimaru

But for the sake of the argument

Jiraya's Physical abilities=> Itachi's Physical abilities
How exactly do you come about with this? If you're talking about taijutsu, they are both tied in it, But you do realize itachi has sharingan, meaning he comes compact with movement prediction etc giving him the advantage in any taijutsu match against a non sharingan user?
1.Itachi's Amateresu was dodged by Sasuke who didn't knew about it, Jiraya has seen it and did some research on it, so it is dodgeble, cause unlike Sasuke's Blaze Release it is slower and intelligent ninja's can dodge it(Sasuke did it and Jiraya knows about it).
WRONG
Sasuke saw Itachi's amaterasu, he used it on the katon, and then used it again.. Lets not forget to add the fact that
1) Itachi wasn't trying to kill his brother
2) Itachi was almost blind
3) Amaterasu is a visual genjutus dependant on focusing eye contact..

have a bad eyesight would therefor affect 3

What you're wrong about is , Jiraya did not SEE itachi use amaterasu.. please, don't spout nonsense.. Jiraya was no where near Itachi when he used it.. all he saw was black flames.....He doesn't know it came out is eyes, he doesn't know how fast it is, he doesn't know the pre warnings of it, NONE of that.... Sasuke saw it all in the fight..there is a clear difference here....

.Jiraya will not fall for Genjutsu he's no kid, nor is he arrogant like Oro(when he becomes serious,......), because like Kabuto, he and all of leaf village knows about Itachi's Genjutsu now.EVRYBODY KNOWS NOT TO LOOK HIM IN THE EYE(Kakashi knew it)
Cool story bro, that's complete and utter speculation on your part to give Jiraya an advantage, we could sit here and argue all day ...I can tell you about all the other ninjas who have looked and made eye contact with sharingan.. SOME even being supposedly smarter than Jiraya.. I can tell you how in their last encounter Jiraya made no signs of showing no eye contact with itachi..... but I won't bother.. why? It doesn't matter

Him not looking at itachi's eyes makes it much easier for him to get hit by a amaterasu to the face

EVRYBODY KNOWS NOT TO LOOK HIM IN THE EYE
Yet we have kages looking madara etc in the eye? and onooki having to tell them not to? As I said, it's complete and utter speculation that he wouldn't .. Conjecture based on no evidence what so ever..



His susanoo attacks are dodgeable and those who say otherwise are fanboys,Remember that Jiraya's Rasengan is know to have broken down mountains,then why can't Jiraya quickly go to the back Susanoo and spam it avoiding the shield and sword. A Logical Method.
You my friend don't know what a hyperbole is...Jiraya has never displayed any jutsu that can flatten a mountain.. You also forget that Itachi is faster than jiraya and has better movement tracking than him as well... so I don't know what the hell you're talking about when you say "quickly go behind susanno and spam it "
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Naruto's big ball rasengan didn't even scratch Rib cage susanno... I don't know why i'm even typing the obvious here


.His Toad Gourd Summon and crusshing toad stomach is the most strongest summon i have seen, and if not for capturing itachi it can be used to immobilise Susanoo. Also the Jutsu Jiray used on the first encounter of Itachi and Kisame is quite useful.
Oh great, Let him summon it, Toad gourd summon is a living creature.. Itachi can either escape the same way he did before, Or stab it with totsuka sword and seal it...Either way, doesn't matter
5. Jiraya will last long. Itachi uses Susanoo in the worst of cases and when he uses it, it harms him to such extent that moving becomes difficulty for him. Also Amateresu can be spammed by him only 3-4 times and it depletes his chakra greatly.
Cute, you did say no genjutsu right? Don't act like you know the limit to itachi's amaterasu.... he used about 2-3 in that fight, a tsukyomi, sussanno, and more jutus, and in the end not only outlasted sasuke but we still don't know the cause of death, whether sickness or chakra exauhstion.. but by what tobi said, and how he held his heart and coughed blood , it was most likely sickness rather than he ran out of chakra..

6. Once Jiraya is in SM Itachi will face the greatest threat he has ever seen. Jiraya's Sound Genjutsu(Maa and Paa) is a difficult obstacle for Itachi to manage.
Jiraya is not getting in sm


is that all?


You have no counter for amaterasu.. i'm still waiting.. Jiraya doesn't have the speed nor reflexes or prior knowledge to dodge ONE amaterasu from Itachi
 
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This thread is not for Fanboys but for the logical and smart majority of NB. Please read this with open mind.:)

Jiraya's Physical abilities=> Itachi's Physical abilities
Jiraya's firestyle and earthstyle >Itachi's fire style and water style (ELEMENTS)
Jiraya's stamina and chakra> Itachi Chakra and Stamina
True but amaterasu>Jiraiya's firestyle and susanoo's physical abilities>Jiraiya's.
1.Itachi's Amateresu was dodged by Sasuke who didn't knew about it, Jiraya has seen it and did some research on it, so it is dodgeble, cause unlike Sasuke's Blaze Release it is slower and intelligent ninja's can dodge it(Sasuke did it and Jiraya knows about it).
First of all, blaze release is a lot slower than amaterasu since blaze release is the manipulation of pre-existing flames while amaterasu is cast on the user's eyesight. Which sounds faster to you? Definitely amaterasu.
2.Jiraya will not fall for Genjutsu he's no kid, nor is he arrogant like Oro(when he becomes serious,......), because like Kabuto, he and all of leaf village knows about Itachi's Genjutsu now.EVRYBODY KNOWS NOT TO LOOK HIM IN THE EYE(Kakashi knew it)
If Jiraiya isn't arrogant, why did he think he had a chance against both Akatsuki members and why did he not bother retreating in a fight he couldn't win. His arrogance lead to him getting ambushed by Asura path, losing his arm and it all went downhill from there. Itachi could pull off some trick and ambush him while Jiraiya is caught off guard in a genjutsu. Also Jiraiya already looked into Itachi's eyes once in their only encounter so he probably will do it again. Kakashi knew not to look into Itachi's eyes but he did so anyway.
3.His susanoo attacks are dodgeable and those who say otherwise are fanboys,Remember that Jiraya's Rasengan is know to have broken down mountains,then why can't Jiraya quickly go to the back Susanoo and spam it avoiding the shield and sword. A Logical Method.
So are Jiraiya's attacks, your point? Naruto already tried a rasengan, it didn't work one bit. Check out to see why it won't work.
4.His Toad Gourd Summon and crusshing toad stomach is the most strongest summon i have seen, and if not for capturing itachi it can be used to immobilise Susanoo. Also the Jutsu Jiray used on the first encounter of Itachi and Kisame is quite useful.
Well Itachi can anticipate an attack like that and dodge it with ease. If Itachi has susanoo out, he could just seal those toads with ease.
5. Jiraya will last long. Itachi uses Susanoo in the worst of cases and when he uses it, it harms him to such extent that moving becomes difficulty for him. Also Amateresu can be spammed by him only 3-4 times and it depletes his chakra greatly.
Sure but how much does Itachi need to beat Jiraiya? If he goes all out from the beginning and uses his chakra wisely and executes his jutsus to their full extent, I doubt Itachi will run out of chakra before Jiraiya dies.
6. Once Jiraya is in SM Itachi will face the greatest threat he has ever seen. Jiraya's Sound Genjutsu(Maa and Paa) is a difficult obstacle for Itachi to manage.
I agree although I'm sure the frog song has a limited range and Itachi's genjutsu and other attacks don't take prep time, frog song does take time to execute.
Kishi has always tried to make us realise that J-man is stronger than Itachi, but we always ignore it, is it our ignorance or what. I respect Itach greatly but he is not on par with Sannins. Oro fell for a genjutsu, because he has alway been ignorant and from then never went close to Itachi as he is really afraid to die.Oro is not Gutsy like Jiraya. Sasuke himself admitted that he would have not defeated Oro if he was healthy, maybe Oro would be a little stronger than him,and Sasuke was able to take Itachi one on one, although Itachi proved to be a little stronger. Again in the fight between Sasuke and Itachi, oro used his big summon and was careless to get caught by Itachi's Totsuka blade(because once the blade is in, it is game over). This proves what i have been saying Oro is a little arrogant that causes him to lose.

SO WHAT DO YOU THINK GUYS.
Many people have fallen for Itachi's genjutsu, not just Oro and Oro is supposed to be smarter than Jiraiya. Jiraiya has already looked into his eyes once, what makes you think he won't the second time. Jiraiya has shown arrogance too thinking he can overcome the odds when they are stacked against him, not unlike Naruto.
 

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All your "proof" is by YOURS SCENARIO AND YOURS OPINION
I dont debate with fanboy who put into this itachi vs sasuke fight because that fight was bullshit.
Itachi =< jiraiya
Itachi MS >>>>> Jiraiya
 

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This is annoying. The manga clearly states that the fight would end in a stalemate. Even with reinforcements. IT'S IN THE MANGA. Stop trying to twist and turn what itachi said into his favor now that he's a "good guy". Jiraiya beats itachi high diff.
 
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