Prime Obito vs Naruto or Sasuke

[KidGamer65]

Did a noob just say obito cant go BM?,

He has no Bijuu Mode.

and juubi's chakra wont increase obitoe's techs?,

Never said that.

and juubito going berserk is the only reason why he healed from being blown in half?,

No fucking shit since a stronger Jin was almost killed from having half his body blown off.

that sasuke can cut obito multiple times before obito can react?

If Sasuke uses BOTH his PS blades, swings them and warps Obito right in the way, then no, he won't react.

that obito with the juubi's chakra level will have to take some time to warp sasuke's ps when kakashi with a kyubi cloak warped hachibi almost normally?

Sasuke's PS>>>Hachibi in size. Not to mention the larger the object, the more chakra you have to build up. So that is an irrelevant comparison. Chakra amount isn't going to change the fact you need to build up. Kakashi had enough to warp the Juubi away, does that mean he didnt need to build it up? Oh wait, it does.

 

[Nattana]

Holes on his palms?

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Its the former. But the former is irrelevant as Sasuke was more than 50m way from Obito and Sakura.

We don't know how exactly separate dimensions are counter in terms of 'distance covered', especially that when Madara trolled Naruto|Sasuke with Limbo and got away quite a distance, Sasuke couldn't use his Rinnegan to catch up instantly. Mind you, that wasn't dimensions away.

 

[moihican]

He has no Bijuu Mode.
he is a perfect jinchuriki with a bijuu inside him,but has no bijuu mode?. Which perfect jinchuriki dosent have a bijuu mode?


Never said that.
'"Enhanced by the Juubi's chakra" isn't an argument kiddo, its about time you and YounqDebater realized this.' your words.


No fucking shit since a stronger Jin was almost killed from having half his body blown off.
a berserk juubito couldnt control his bijuu,couldnt nullify ninjutsu,couldnt think straight,yet a perfect jin obito somehow gets weaker healing?,by this crappy logic mindless juubito>juubidara. Juubito easily brushed off being blown in half,fact,just because you dont like it dosent make it false


If Sasuke uses BOTH his PS blades, swings them and warps Obito right in the way, then no, he won't react.
like he did to kaguya right?,sasuke cant even use his ST while susanoo is on.if he has,refresh my memory,and how will he get the time to swing ps blades randomly when juubito is on his ass?,you do realize that sasuke needs to buildup chakra to warp something right?and obito is both a sensor and a dojutsu user?



Sasuke's PS>>>Hachibi in size. Not to mention the larger the object, the more chakra you have to build up. So that is an irrelevant comparison. Chakra amount isn't going to change the fact you need to build up. Kakashi had enough to warp the Juubi away, does that mean he didnt need to build it up? Oh wait, it does.

and juubito is much more above kakashi in chakra amount,if kn0 kakashi warped hachibi easily,juubito who has a thousand times more chakra than kakashi would warp something of sasuke's susanoo size easily,and his susanoo isnt that much bigger than a bijuu if at all it is.

 

[Unorthodox]

Damn loool they went Innnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

i dont know about Sasuke losing now Kidgamer brought some great arguments to the table imo

 

[genii96]

No, it doesn't.

-Minato still had to move to stab Obito.

-Minato still had to move to cut Obito when he was about to revive Madara with Rinne Tensei.

Between the Rasengan appearing and dealing damage to his body? If the Rasengan touches him it deals damage, so its pretty much the same process. There is no in between. Besides, he knew they were coming before they came, which further discredits this nonsense of him reacting to something that was instantaneous.

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He also guarded his back.

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Yup. Pure fanfic. The Shinju only turned into the Juubi because Kaguya willed it, not because the tree itself willed it. That was already cleared up by Black Zetsu.

When you can show me scans of the Juubi being summoned for battle then we can talk. Until then, get the fanfic bullshit out of here. The Juubi has always automatically transformed, this time would be no different. It automatically becomes the Shinju until the manga shows otherwise.

Obito can already use all the abilities of the Juubi without the Juubi itself, no reason he'd be able to summon it for battle when the manga never showed such.




Manga already stated that only Senjutsu and Taijutsu work on the Jin's body. I'm not going to debate something manga characters have stated over and over again.

Enton Rasengan barely did shit to him while the SM Rasengan put a hole in his back. Meaning the Jin's body doesn't get hurt, or at the very least,heavily resists Ninjutsu attacks. Case and point.

It has its swords to cut them, so no, it doesn't need to knock them back.

Uchiha Kaenjin took a Juubidama? lmfao, what the hell kind of manga are you reading?




Never said the barriers would be equal. When you can get proof Uchiha Kaenjin is going to get so strong that it'll protect from Naruto and Sasuke's attacks then we can talk. Oh wait, you can't. It has no feats on its own let alone buffed by Juubi Chakra. Lol.



If you are stupid, you will actually believe the shit that comes out of your mouth. I already posted my reasoning. If you aren't going to counter, stfu and don't reply.


Amaterasu=/=Teleportation. Madara, Kaguya, nor Naruto never sensed shit nor did they indicate they sensed shit. So I'm not going to believe that it has such a noticeable build up that it can be sensed by sensor type Ninja.

He got blitzed, he failed to react to the attack and only escaped AFTER he was struck. That's not reacting moron.

that was his shadow clone which tobirama already said was slower when attacking using ftg.
There was no movement here from minato

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not to mention slashing damage requires force to damage which further explains why he didnt warp on his body directly,wheras a rasengan is rapidly spinning,and causes damage even if force isnt applied,try putting a drill on your palm and see what happens. Actually there is a little time frime inbetween,minato was hit,then quickly warped away before he was damaged.
Him realizing they are about to warp means nothing,he didnt make the chakra arms before they warped,nor did he make a black chakra shield when they warped,he made it the next page.

When you can prove a perfect jin cant call his bijuu then you can talk. If kaguya could tell it to turn,juubito who has full and utter control cant?,and he already summoned the juubi and made it go shinju.mangafact.all perfect jins can use their bijuus powers without going full bijuu form.

Not doing much damage=/=not doing damage at all, he was clearly damaged by the rasengan,he was clearly healing. He clearly had to protect his body from his juubidamas. An attack empowered by hagoromo's chakra will easily damage a juubi jin's body.ninjutsu damages them fact. His swords easily get caught by the chakra arms,not to mention obito can attack much faster than sasuke's susanoo. The hokage barrier blocked a juubidama you moron,wheras his chakra arms tore it up.
Sigh,the barrier was able to stop hachibi's blow on the mazo. The juubi's chakra and power is well above half of an old hagoromo,his barroers can even withstand his own bijudamas,but ofcourse,sasuke breaks the barrier like its nothing because its sasuke. If sasuke tries to use PS,juubito can simply intercept and smash it. His normal attacks are doing shit to it,so either way,he is screwed.kaguya was hit by amaterasu,guess obito would get hit too huh?
. Lmao for sasuke to teleport a human sized object he certainly has to buildup some chakra,what r u saying chakta needed to warp is not noticeable now?moron.,not to mention obito has a dojutsus that can even see the chakra in his eye.

He escaped before he was hit you imbecile,by the time they noticed he was already a distance away.

 

[KidGamer65]

that was his shadow clone which tobirama already said was slower when attacking using ftg.
There was no movement here from minato

Lol, is this a joke? A KCM Clone is going to move faster than a Base Minato despite whatever speed difference there is with clones, which only refers to their reaction speed as that is the only thing that can make Hiraishin slower in the sense that it is activated later than usual.

No movement from Minato=No stab. No movement=No force=No Kunai going through his stomach.

not to mention slashing damage requires force to damage which further explains why he didnt warp on his body directly,wheras a rasengan is rapidly spinning,and causes damage even if force isnt applied,try putting a drill on your palm and see what happens. Actually there is a little time frime inbetween,minato was hit,then quickly warped away before he was damaged.

If I put the tip of a drill on my palm, it'll only scratch me. If I push the drill, then it'll go through my hand. Juubito wouldn't have a hole in his back if they didn't slam the Rasengan into his back. First you say there is no movement, thus its instant, then you say that it isn't instant, now we're back to "its instant" even though no one can react to instant.

Him realizing they are about to warp means nothing,he didnt make the chakra arms before they warped,nor did he make a black chakra shield when they warped,he made it the next page.

So now you are saying Juubito not only reacted to an instant attack, he managed to shoot out his chakra arms in an instant.....lmfao, what the hell? Juubito realizing they are about to warp doesn't mean nothing, he saw and he was able to act beforehand. Tobirama agrees with me, and disagrees with this nonsense.

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"That's because we telegraphed that attack" They made it obvious they were attacking with Hiraishin, so he was able to react, meaning he used his chakra arms beforehand.

When you can prove a perfect jin cant call his bijuu then you can talk. If kaguya could tell it to turn,juubito who has full and utter control cant?,and he already summoned the juubi and made it go shinju.mangafact.all perfect jins can use their bijuus powers without going full bijuu form.

Kaguya created it using her will and the Shinju. The Juubi has shown to evolve on its own, not on the orders of anyone else. When the Juubi is summoned and used for battle then we can talk, until then whatever Bijuu Mode he might have is the Shinju and nothing else.

Lol, Killer B can't use Bijuu Dama without going full Bijuu Mode. So no, he can't use all its abilities without entering their full Bijuu form.

Not doing much damage=/=not doing damage at all, he was clearly damaged by the rasengan,he was clearly healing. He clearly had to protect his body from his juubidamas. An attack empowered by hagoromo's chakra will easily damage a juubi jin's body.ninjutsu damages them fact.

The fact he only took an extremely minuscule amount of damage from the Enton Rasen Shuriken while a weaker attack damaged him that badly is proof that the Juubi Jinchuuriki's body can't be hurt, or at the very least, injured by Ninjutsu. There are statements that agree with me, no need for me to try and debate this.

Based on what? The only reason it'll damage a Jin's body is because Ninjutsu can't be negated.

-It didn't work.

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-Ninjutsu doesn't work.

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-Senjutsu does.

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-Only Senjutsu or physical damage from Taijutsu works on him.

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Not gonna debate manga fact, I'll just ignore any rebuttal you try to come up with to counter manga FACT.

His swords easily get caught by the chakra arms,not to mention obito can attack much faster than sasuke's susanoo. The hokage barrier blocked a juubidama you moron,wheras his chakra arms tore it up.

Shockwaves tear that shit apart, forget about any "Catching the sword" nonsense. And Obito hasn't shown any feat that would lead me to believe he can attack with chakra arms faster than Sasuke can attack with Susanoo when Sasuke cut up the CT rock many times as Naruto's BD explosion occured.

Lol. It

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, it didn't "tank" it. Moron. Read the damn manga.

Sigh,the barrier was able to stop hachibi's blow on the mazo.

So its best feat is blocking a punch from Hachibi...lol.

The juubi's chakra and power is well above half of an old hagoromo,

Gonna need some evidence or your reasoning.

his barroers can even withstand his own bijudamas

His Six Red Yang Encampment can take the impact of his Bijuu Dama and shoot it out of the barrier. That's not Uchiha Kaenjin, so don't try and equate that shit to this.

,but ofcourse,sasuke breaks the barrier like its nothing because its sasuke.

He breaks the barrier cause it has no feats, and your shitty argument is trying to equate this to the strongest barrier shown in the manga.

If sasuke tries to use PS,juubito can simply intercept and smash it.

Juubito gets cut to pieces just like that meteor if he tries this idiotic tactic. He can't smash through Madara's Perfect Susnaoo let alone Sasuke's.

His normal attacks are doing shit to it,so either way,he is screwed.kaguya was hit by amaterasu,guess obito would get hit too huh?

Normal attacks? He doesn't need normal attacks, he has Susanoo, which smashes his featless Kaenjin.

Kaguya let herself get hit cause she can absorb chakra. Obito had to block.

Lmao for sasuke to teleport a human sized object he certainly has to buildup some chakra,what r u saying chakta needed to warp is not noticeable now?moron.,not to mention obito has a dojutsus that can even see the chakra in his eye.

Based on? Oh wait, nothing. 3 notable sensors never noticed shit. Obito isn't noticing shit either. No one ever noticed Minato building up chakra when he teleports himself either. Get this shit out of here.

He escaped before he was hit you imbecile,by the time they noticed he was already a distance away.

Allow me to read the fucking manga to you, cause you clearly aren't doing that shit yourself. Events occur in numbered order.

1. This is the real Madara. Not a clone as he is visible in normal colors.

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2. Sasuke warps the REAL Madara in between him and Naruto.

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3. Madara switches out with his Limbo clone that was residing in his body.

-Real Madara is shown in red, the spot where the Limbo was left behind is shown in blue.

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So. Tell me oh wise one, how the hell did Madara move before getting hit? The manga shows him moving afterwards. Not to mention they realized he moved the moment he moved, hence the exclamation marks and hence Naruto saying "He moved?"

 

[KidGamer65]

and juubito is much more above kakashi in chakra amount,if kn0 kakashi warped hachibi easily,juubito who has a thousand times more chakra than kakashi would warp something of sasuke's susanoo size easily,and his susanoo isnt that much bigger than a bijuu if at all it is.

Pretty sure there is a reply to this somewhere in this thread. Go find it, I'd prefer not to have to repeat myself...and lol at the bold. His largest v3 Susanoo was the size of the Kurama Avatar. PS is much larger.

he is a perfect jinchuriki with a bijuu inside him,but has no bijuu mode?. Which perfect jinchuriki dosent have a bijuu mode?

Nope. Unless you want to count the God Tree.

'"Enhanced by the Juubi's chakra" isn't an argument kiddo, its about time you and YounqDebater realized this.' your words.

I said that its not an argument, not that it doesn't enhance anything.

a berserk juubito couldnt control his bijuu,couldnt nullify ninjutsu,couldnt think straight,yet a perfect jin obito somehow gets weaker healing?,by this crappy logic mindless juubito>juubidara. Juubito easily brushed off being blown in half,fact,just because you dont like it dosent make it false

That is exactly what happened. The Juubi taking over mutated his body briefly, that's a fact. A stronger Jin, almost died from having injuries not as severe as the ones berserk Obito had. And how does this make Mindless Juubito>Rikudo Madara? Weaker healing=/=less strength.

I don't like it nor do I hate it. I'm only proving my point here.

like he did to kaguya right?,sasuke cant even use his ST while susanoo is on.if he has,refresh my memory,and how will he get the time to swing ps blades randomly when juubito is on his ass?,you do realize that sasuke needs to buildup chakra to warp something right?and obito is both a sensor and a dojutsu user?

1. Kaguya>Obito in every way, shape and form. So stop.

2. bold is fanfic. And Juubito isn't going to stop him from swinging his blade.

2. No reason why he can't. Nothing was shown or stated or implied that would prevent him from doing so. Gonna need some evidence for that claim of yours.

 

[Haizaki]

Lol wow. Just wow. This was thrashed.

 

[ARGUS]

He should be, especially that Juubito has an advantage of not having human body.

Firstly, Madara had no intel on Sasuke's Rinnegan. It's obviously harder to react to something you know nothing about. Secondly, as you mentioned yourself, he was rushing at Sasuke with his already godlike speed, so combined with point no.1 a.k.a. surprise - he just got impaled.

With full intel - nothing like that would've ever happened. And since I'm guessing Obito has full intel on Sasuke AND since he's not already rushing at him - it'd be much easier to react to something that ISN'T instant - which is an actual attack.

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no reaction from him at all, and

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meaning that it wasnt even his S/T jutsu,
madara failed to react to Sasuke, and thats that,,
Juubitos reactions are inferior to Madaras, and is sufferring the same fate as madara
@Bold - this is pure speculation,

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, furthermore he didnt just get surprised,

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, there was no reaction from him at all, not to mention that sasuke can merge his attacks through his S/T jutsu similar to how he did in the above scan and use them to attack instantlly which obito isnt reacting to

lol Obito can simply put them in the barrier. and nuke the shit out of them with juubi dama. also sasuke can't teleport out as he said he can only swap with things that are in his FOV.

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Naruto and sasuke are not making it out of this thing in one piece while Obito bombards them. u can see the power of a single pre-mature juubi dama.

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and sasuke can use his PS slashes to cut the tree in half, and his slashes also have more than enough power to damage jjuubito and break the barrier,
Sasuke can also use his shockwaves to redirect the blast towards obito, so its not as easy as ur claiming it out to be, especially seeing the fact that Sasukes PS had the speed to travel as fast as TBBRS, meaning that he can also dodge them, and land his PS slashes quicker than Obito releases the tree and fires off TBB

well his arguments are usually pulled out of his a*s and not backed by manga facts so ye, Lol

Lol Hes better than yu,

 

[ARGUS]

sigh.
You cant react to instant,however you can react to a split second after,which is exactly what he did. Madara didnt get blitzed,get your fanfic out of your head.

Umm Madara got blitzed by Sasuke multiple times, whether be it with or without intel

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,he also got severed in half by

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, seeing how he got

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, and Madaras reaction feats are superior to Obitos, meaning that obito is sufferring the same (if not even worse) fate.,

When your marked the attack appears on your body,obito reacted between the rasengan appearing and it dealing damage to his body,thats far more reaction time needed to rape sasuke,especially if sasuke teleports,uses susanoo and strikes. Sasuke faster than bm minato?,in movement speed?yea right.

Lol the bold is pure wrong, youre implying that FTG = Sasukes S/T jutsu,
yet

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but in his much superior form got blitzed by Sasuke, with or without his S/T jutsu,
besiides Juubito reacting to FTG doesnt mean that he can react to Sasukes S/T jutsu, that is wrong,
and yes Sasuke is faster than BM minato most likely in terms of movement speed

 

[TRE MERCER]

No she doesn't. She only talks about how long he can keep the jutsu up. He automatically respawns when he dies while Izanagi is activated, but it doesn't change the fact it has to be activated, as shown in my previous post, where Danzo releases it, and he can be killed. If it was automatic, he wouldn't have needed Mokuton for the Susanoo arrow.


You don't know how Madara pre set his Izanagi, so you can't say that it takes time, and no, I never said he moves at light speed. I just he just gets blitzed because someone on his speed tier got blitzed as well.

Actually she does that's the whole point of Danzo turning it off when the battle wasn't intense. Ever time he activated he acted quick.(

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)-(

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). Danzo is clearly rushing and being reckless because he know's his time in very short. Also Danzo eye closed automatically here without even being killed.(

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). Obito has shown greater reaction feats than Juubi Jin Madara so you using him isn't helping your case at all.

Sasuke can teleport him right in front of his Susanoo's blades as he swings them, and Obito gets cut in to four pieces.

He isn't surviving getting cut into four pieces, nor would he survive getting half his body blown off if he wasn't going berserk.



Exactly, which means he'll have to store up the same amount first to warp away a larger object. Sasuke's PS is also much larger than the Hachibi, so it'll take time as well.

How is he going to teleport Obito and activate Susanoo before Obito goes intangible? You even said going intangible is instant so how is Sasuke going to do all of this before something instant happens?

Did a noob just say obito cant go BM?,and juubi's chakra wont increase obitoe's techs?,and juubito going berserk is the only reason why he healed from being blown in half?,that sasuke can cut obito multiple times before obito can react?that obito with the juubi's chakra level will have to take some time to warp sasuke's ps when kakashi with a kyubi cloak warped hachibi almost normally?
This has to be the worst D-riding ive ever seen,

Ot: juubito wins

He act as if Sasuke can more at the speed of light.

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no reaction from him at all, and

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meaning that it wasnt even his S/T jutsu,
madara failed to react to Sasuke, and thats that,,
Juubitos reactions are inferior to Madaras, and is sufferring the same fate as madara
@Bold - this is pure speculation,

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, furthermore he didnt just get surprised,

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, there was no reaction from him at all, not to mention that sasuke can merge his attacks through his S/T jutsu similar to how he did in the above scan and use them to attack instantlly which obito isnt reacting to

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and sasuke can use his PS slashes to cut the tree in half, and his slashes also have more than enough power to damage jjuubito and break the barrier,
Sasuke can also use his shockwaves to redirect the blast towards obito, so its not as easy as ur claiming it out to be, especially seeing the fact that Sasukes PS had the speed to travel as fast as TBBRS, meaning that he can also dodge them, and land his PS slashes quicker than Obito releases the tree and fires off TBB



Lol Hes better than yu,

Madara clearly reacted to Sasuke speed he just didn't bother dodging because he needed his other eye.(

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). Clearly reacted to Sasuke's speed he even had time to compliment him on it as well. Sasuke foot speed it inconsistent seeing as he couldn't even make a 20-30 ft run out of that sand dimension.(

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). Obito going intangible vs Sasuke teleporting him right off bat can go hand in hand but once you add Sasuke striking speed Obito wins this battle. If Sasuke wants to hurt Obito he's going to have to have an offence ready right after he teleports which won't get Obito before he can go intangible. Weather he takes his blade out or makes Susanoo either way Obito is going to be intangible already. L0l @ Sasuke redirecting a Juubidama blast with his Ps sword. Stop an uncharged Juubidama made an explosive bigger than Naruto's Rasenbijuudama which made Sasuke Ps look like a ant next to basketball.

 

[genii96]

Umm Madara got blitzed by Sasuke multiple times, whether be it with or without intel

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,he also got severed in half by

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, seeing how he got

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, and Madaras reaction feats are superior to Obitos, meaning that obito is sufferring the same (if not even worse) fate.,


Lol the bold is pure wrong, youre implying that FTG = Sasukes S/T jutsu,
yet

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but in his much superior form got blitzed by Sasuke, with or without his S/T jutsu,
besiides Juubito reacting to FTG doesnt mean that he can react to Sasukes S/T jutsu, that is wrong,
and yes Sasuke is faster than BM minato most likely in terms of movement speed

sasuke lunged at mafara who is backing him,madara turns around completely,makes a complete sentence,yet you say he was blitzed?lmao
madara already escaped sasule's attempted s/t blitz

madara was never marked,a kunai was thrown near him,obito was marked.unlike ftg sasuke cant warp on his body,something that will get him killed.

 

[ARGUS]

Madara clearly reacted to Sasuke speed he just didn't bother dodging because he needed his other eye.(

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). Clearly reacted to Sasuke's speed he even had time to compliment him on it as well. Sasuke foot speed it inconsistent seeing as he couldn't even make a 20-30 ft run out of that sand dimension.(

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).

Wrong, Madara tracked sasukes speed, however he failed to react to it any way whatsoever
if he couldve reacted to it,, then he wouldnt have ended up being severed in half, and he even

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Sasukes foot speed being inconsistent doesnt matter,, the fact is that he blitzed juubi madara through S/T jutsu and his foot speed, and thats all there is to it, the same guy whose reflexes are higher than juubitos, meaning that the same is happenning to obito here

Obito going intangible vs Sasuke teleporting him right off bat can go hand in hand but once you add Sasuke striking speed Obito wins this battle. If Sasuke wants to hurt Obito he's going to have to have an offence ready right after he teleports which won't get Obito before he can go intangible. Weather he takes his blade out or makes Susanoo either way Obito is going to be intangible already.

Lol what, the bold is just wrong,
Kamui is clearly much much slower than sasukes S/T jutsu, and yes, his

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, as there was clearly no reaction from madara at all, nor could he react in any way,
and his

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despite him not even using his S/T jutsu here
an inferior madara shat on FTG which is faster than Kamui, yet a superior madara failed to react to Sasukes S/T,
i think even a kid could understand that sasukes S/T jutsu is faster than Kamui
meaning that whenever they clash, sasuke would be the one landing the blow, and with Obito failing to even react to his S/T jutsu similar to how madara couldnt, he is clearly not outspeeding sasuke ,

L0l @ Sasuke redirecting a Juubidama blast with his Ps sword. Stop an uncharged Juubidama made an explosive bigger than Naruto's Rasenbijuudama which made Sasuke Ps look like a ant next to basketball.

Sasuke can cut the tree from his PS slash before Obito even fires off the TBB,
his PS also has the durability to tank the TBB, and his PS has enough speed to evade the TBB
as for the explosion being bigger, that doesnt mean thhat susanoo cant tank it,
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, however madaras PS was just fine afterwards, so ur logic there isnt helpful

 

[ARGUS]

sasuke lunged at mafara who is backing him,madara turns around completely,makes a complete sentence,yet you say he was blitzed?lmao
madara already escaped sasule's attempted s/t blitz

Madara only tracked him, however his reflexes werent enough to allow him to react to Sasukes attack,,
if he wouldve been able to react, then he wouldnt have been seveered in half,
Madara was cut in half,

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he clearly didnt have the reflexes to be able to do so before getting cut in half
so if u think madara reacted to this attack,, then read the manga properly

madara was never marked,a kunai was thrown near him,obito was marked.unlike ftg sasuke cant warp on his body,something that will get him killed.

The kunai was right near madara, and thats when Tobirama executed his FTG slash,
madaraa reacted to FTG in his RT form by sensing the oncoming attack, but failed to react to sasukes S/T jutsu and thats that, meaning that Obito is sufferring the same (if not even worse) fate than Madara
sasuke doesnt need to warp his body, if Obito is close enough then he can use

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and can also use his PS slashes to attack Obito with

 

[moihican]

Pretty sure there is a reply to this somewhere in this thread. Go find it, I'd prefer not to have to repeat myself...and lol at the bold. His largest v3 Susanoo was the size of the Kurama Avatar. PS is much larger.
lets just say his PS is 10x a bijuu's size,which btw is false. Juubito has several times more chakra than full bm naruto,let alone kn0 kakashi,so if kakashi could warp a bijuu that easily juubito will warp susanoo even easier.simple.


Nope. Unless you want to count the God Tree.
he has both juubi and shinju,as they are practically one entity,not to mention he already brought out the juubi how can the juubi's jin not be able to call forth the juubi,that makes sense to you?. Hagoromo was also its jin for a long time,yet it was the juubi,not the shinju which he took the chakra from and sealed its body,clearly its jin can switch between as juubito already showed.


I said that its not an argument, not that it doesn't enhance anything.
the argument was that the juubi's power would enhance the barrier to block sasuke's attacks,how is that not an argument?


That is exactly what happened. The Juubi taking over mutated his body briefly, that's a fact. A stronger Jin, almost died from having injuries not as severe as the ones berserk Obito had. And how does this make Mindless Juubito>Rikudo Madara? Weaker healing=/=less strength.

I don't like it nor do I hate it. I'm only proving my point here.
now you contradict yourself. First off you say madara,because he is a stronger jin,can heal better than juubito,yet argue that juubito who is stronger than his mindless form cant heal better?. Now you say that weaker healing and less strength arent related when it was your point of arfument?.by that same logic,juubito's superior healing still stands despite being weaker than madara. You cant go both ways. Either you say mindless juubito is above juudara due to your "stronger jin" argument,or you just accept manga facts and see juubito has better healing and that it dosent relate to his strength over madara,as you also said,both ways your arguments are beaten


1. Kaguya>Obito in every way, shape and form. So stop.

2. bold is fanfic. And Juubito isn't going to stop him from swinging his blade.

2. No reason why he can't. Nothing was shown or stated or implied that would prevent him from doing so. Gonna need some evidence for that claim of yours.

1) dosent matter,power=/=size. For s/t techs it is size that matters,kaguya is human sized,teleporting her will be just as easy as teleporting a fodder of the same size. Teleporting kurama would be harder than teleporting kaguya because she is much smaller. Minato teleported both the juubi's and kyubi's bijudamas regardless of their power. So yea,he cant do it by feats.

2) it isnt,all ninjutsus require chakra moulding/buildup. Juubito erases susanoo from existence or just smashes it

3)just like how nothing hints to juubito being unable to summon the juubi right?,yet you deny that. Unlike juubito the actual arguments against sasuke using his s/t while using susanoo is more compelling than otherwise.

To teleport an object,you build up enough chakra first. You yourselfalready said kamui requires a chakra buildup,yet deny that sasuke's own dosent?. When he was told to teleport sakura and himself,jhe wasted time why?,because he had to now build up chakra to compensate for sakura. All ninjutsus require chakra moulding/buildup.

 

[KidGamer65]

Actually she does that's the whole point of Danzo turning it off when the battle wasn't intense. Ever time he activated he acted quick.(x)-(x). Danzo is clearly rushing and being reckless because he know's his time in very short. Also Danzo eye closed automatically here without even being killed.(x). Obito has shown greater reaction feats than Juubi Jin Madara so you using him isn't helping your case at all.

Are you even reading the manga?

-Danzo activates Izanagi, once its active when he dies he automatically comes back.

-If its not active, as shown in the scan I already posted, he can be killed.

-Izanagi is active for 1 whole minute, during that minute the user cannot die, obviously the eye closes by itself because the jutsu is active. Its not "you die and then the eye closes" lmao. I suggest you read up on how this jutsu works before we talk. Danzo being reckless has nothing to do with the point here.

Obito can't react to Sasuke, so he isn't going to activate Izanagi in the first place.

So when we are done spouting BS, we start spouting more BS......lol.

-Juubito's best feat is reacting to a strike from slower people.

-Madara was following Eighth Gate Gai's speed and blocked his initial strike, who is way faster in terms of movement and striking speed than BSM Naruto and BM Minato.

Pre Jin Madara showed better speed feats than Obito w/o Juubi. He has better movement speed feats too. Adding the Juubi doesn't change that, in fact it makes the gap wider since Rikudo Madara>Juubito.

How is he going to teleport Obito and activate Susanoo before Obito goes intangible? You even said going intangible is instant so how is Sasuke going to do all of this before something instant happens?

OBITO CAN'T REACT. How many times am I going to have to state this before you stop asking the same question? No reaction=No intangibility. Its instant, but Obito activating it isn't instant.

 

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lets just say his PS is 10x a bijuu's size,which btw is false. Juubito has several times more chakra than full bm naruto,let alone kn0 kakashi,so if kakashi could warp a bijuu that easily juubito will warp susanoo even easier.simple.

Doesn't matter. Kakashi had enough to warp the Juubi, and he still had to build chakra up. Juubito having more chakra doesn't change the fact he still has to build chakra up to warp something that large.

he has both juubi and shinju,as they are practically one entity,not to mention he already brought out the juubi how can the juubi's jin not be able to call forth the juubi,that makes sense to you?. Hagoromo was also its jin for a long time,yet it was the juubi,not the shinju which he took the chakra from and sealed its body,clearly its jin can switch between as juubito already showed.

Shinju is the final form of the Juubi. He called the Juubi and it evolved into its final form, the Shinju. Until you get me feats, I'm not tryna hear it. Shinju is the closest thing Obito has to a Bijuu Mode. Hagoromo is irrelevant here, especially since he sealed the Juubi, as a whole, inside himself. He only separated the chakra from its body when he was making the Bijuu.

the argument was that the juubi's power would enhance the barrier to block sasuke's attacks,how is that not an argument?

There is no proof that the barrier would be able to block Sasuke's attacks with a buff. "Its Juubi enhanced" isn't a counter argument.

now you contradict yourself. First off you say madara,because he is a stronger jin,can heal better than juubito,yet argue that juubito who is stronger than his mindless form cant heal better?. Now you say that weaker healing and less strength arent related when it was your point of arfument?.by that same logic,juubito's superior healing still stands despite being weaker than madara. You cant go both ways. Either you say mindless juubito is above juudara due to your "stronger jin" argument,or you just accept manga facts and see juubito has better healing and that it dosent relate to his strength over madara,as you also said,both ways your arguments are beaten

Nope. I never said that. I only pointed out that he was a stronger Jin, not that he heals better because he is a stronger Jin. So I'm not contradicting myself, you're just misunderstanding my post.

Juubito doesn't have better healing than Jin Madara, its the same. The only reason he was able to heal from getting half his body blown off is because he was mutating. No reason to believe that Obito's healing is superior to Madara's, and Madara stated that almost getting half his body blown off could have been fatal.

1) dosent matter,power=/=size. For s/t techs it is size that matters,kaguya is human sized,teleporting her will be just as easy as teleporting a fodder of the same size. Teleporting kurama would be harder than teleporting kaguya because she is much smaller. Minato teleported both the juubi's and kyubi's bijudamas regardless of their power. So yea,he cant do it by feats.

Oh, I thought that you were saying that Obito won't be blitzed because he didn't do it to Kaguya. lmao, read the manga and then get back to me. I've already posted a scan of him teleporting Madara and he already teleported Kaguya in the chapter Naruto used his Sexy Jutsu on her.

2) it isnt,all ninjutsus require chakra moulding/buildup. Juubito erases susanoo from existence or just smashes it

Like I've said, no sensor has ever noticed any kind of teleportation via sensing. Obito isn't a special case just because you want him to be, and go read above. Rikudo's Chakra is pretty much the same as Senjutsu, which Obito can't erase, and he doesn't have the strength feats to smash Madara's Susanoo let alone Sasuke's far superior one.

3)just like how nothing hints to juubito being unable to summon the juubi right?,yet you deny that. Unlike juubito the actual arguments against sasuke using his s/t while using susanoo is more compelling than otherwise.

Here's the difference buddy. Obito summoned one thing in canon, the Shinju. No reason to believe he can summon the Juubi. S/T teleports anything in Sasuke's range, there is no evidence that Sasuke can't use his S/T while inside his Susanoo.

Even if he can't, which he can, cleaving Obito in half with his Raiton blade is enough, he can even cut him more than once.

To teleport an object,you build up enough chakra first. You yourselfalready said kamui requires a chakra buildup,yet deny that sasuke's own dosent?. When he was told to teleport sakura and himself,jhe wasted time why?,because he had to now build up chakra to compensate for sakura. All ninjutsus require chakra moulding/buildup.

To teleport large objects. Not small objects or human sized objects.

Lol. Read the manga. He ran first, but when he couldn't make it, he teleported. When you people can show me any sensor sensing anything when an S/T user teleports themselves, then we can talk.

 

[Bronze]

Madara only tracked him, however his reflexes werent enough to allow him to react to Sasukes attack,,
if he wouldve been able to react, then he wouldnt have been seveered in half,
Madara was cut in half,

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he clearly didnt have the reflexes to be able to do so before getting cut in half
so if u think madara reacted to this attack,, then read the manga properly

You might as well read upon the definition of react, because I can say you have a hard time unable to understanding the meaning.

Reaction- something done, felt, or thought in response to a situation or event.

What Madara has done is exactly the definition. He reacted to Sasuke's intent of teleporting through him. While facing Kakashi's side, he turned his whole body around, completed his sentence, and put his hand upfront to block Sasuke. What he, however didn't do is, intercept Sasuke. Why? Because his other Rinnegan was more important to him.

In any case, Juubito possess the Rikudou's Senjutsu, so tracking Sasuke's teleporting intents is an easy job for him. Just as canonically reacting to FTG.​

 

[moihican]

Doesn't matter. Kakashi had enough to warp the Juubi, and he still had to build chakra up. Juubito having more chakra doesn't change the fact he still has to build chakra up to warp something that large.
the juubi's finger is larger than hachibi,something of that size will require some time for kakashi's level of chakra with a mere kn0 shroud. Kakashi was only warping human sized things quickly,after getting a buff he warped bijuu sized things quickly. Plus the juubi is much much larger than sasuke's susanoo anyway


Shinju is the final form of the Juubi. He called the Juubi and it evolved into its final form, the Shinju. Until you get me feats, I'm not tryna hear it. Shinju is the closest thing Obito has to a Bijuu Mode. Hagoromo is irrelevant here, especially since he sealed the Juubi, as a whole, inside himself. He only separated the chakra from its body when he was making the Bijuu.
no,he called the juubi and HE made it go shinju when HE acticated the IT,only the shinju can do it,thus the switched to it. Obito sealed the juubi as a whole in his body as well. Yea, he took the chakra of the JUUBI,not the shinju,which means he could switch between them.


There is no proof that the barrier would be able to block Sasuke's attacks with a buff. "Its Juubi enhanced" isn't a counter argument.
seeing as his barriers can block multiple juubidamas,each far more powerful than sasuke's offence,the burden of proof is on you.


Nope. I never said that. I only pointed out that he was a stronger Jin, not that he heals better because he is a stronger Jin. So I'm not contradicting myself, you're just misunderstanding my post.

Juubito doesn't have better healing than Jin Madara, its the same. The only reason he was able to heal from getting half his body blown off is because he was mutating. No reason to believe that Obito's healing is superior to Madara's, and Madara stated that almost getting half his body blown off could have been fatal.
"A stronger Jin, almost died from having injuries not as severe as the ones berserk Obito had" pretty obvious what you meant by that. Obito DESTROYED the mutating part,a perfect jin pbito would be able to use his juubi's powers to the maximum which includes healing,not to mention the fact that he and juubi were fighting for control of his body,therefore the abilities would even be weaker than they should be. I dont care whether madara would have died,juubito obviously wouldnt



Oh, I thought that you were saying that Obito won't be blitzed because he didn't do it to Kaguya. lmao, read the manga and then get back to me. I've already posted a scan of him teleporting Madara and he already teleported Kaguya in the chapter Naruto used his Sexy Jutsu on her.
was he in his susanoo when he did that?,i thought so. Kaguya's reactions are shitty for her power actually. She got blizted by naruto,couldnt dodge rasenshurikens,has no experience in jutsus etc.


Like I've said, no sensor has ever noticed any kind of teleportation via sensing. Obito isn't a special case just because you want him to be, and go read above. Rikudo's Chakra is pretty much the same as Senjutsu, which Obito can't erase, and he doesn't have the strength feats to smash Madara's Susanoo let alone Sasuke's far superior one.
juubito has already sensed chakra buildup in sasuke's eye before,his s/t follows the same principle.
Lmao
rikudo's chakra natural energy combined=rikudo's senjutsu
rikudo's chakra without natural energy=just his chakra. Sasuke has the latter.chakra and senjutsu are two very different things. Sasuke got the eyes and chakra,naruto got the body and senjutsu. Madara said it clear as day,and didnt make mention of sasuke having senjutsu when he cut him. No mention or even hint of senjutsu for sasuke at all.so yes,it gets erased. Juubito already broke a barrier durable enough to halt a juubidama,and broke restrains strong enough to hold the juubi


Here's the difference buddy. Obito summoned one thing in canon, the Shinju. No reason to believe he can summon the Juubi. S/T teleports anything in Sasuke's range, there is no evidence that Sasuke can't use his S/T while inside his Susanoo.

Even if he can't, which he can, cleaving Obito in half with his Raiton blade is enough, he can even cut him more than once.

execept he didnt. He summoned the juubi,then had it go shinju mode,thus he SWITCHED between both of them.
On the other hand,sasuke has gotten his PS smashed twice,never teleported himself or anything when using susanoo etc. If sasuke attempts to teleport himself near juubito to attack,he gets killed,because juubito will easily strike faster than he will. If he attempts to teleport juubito to himself and manages to injure juubito,juubito heals and rips him in two.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Madara only tracked him, however his reflexes werent enough to allow him to react to Sasukes attack,,
if he wouldve been able to react, then he wouldnt have been seveered in half,
Madara was cut in half,

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he clearly didnt have the reflexes to be able to do so before getting cut in half
so if u think madara reacted to this attack,, then read the manga properly.

The fact that he talked to Sasuke before he hit him means he reacted are you dumb stupid slow or simple minded?

The kunai was right near madara, and thats when Tobirama executed his FTG slash,
madaraa reacted to FTG in his RT form by sensing the oncoming attack, but failed to react to sasukes S/T jutsu and thats that, meaning that Obito is sufferring the same (if not even worse) fate than Madara
sasuke doesnt need to warp his body, if Obito is close enough then he can use

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to attack Obito (which he is not reacting to)
and can also use his PS slashes to attack Obito with

Madara already knew that Tobirama could teleport he had no knowledge on Sasuke teleportation tech plus Sasuke striking speed shits on Tobirama's.

Are you even reading the manga?

-Danzo activates Izanagi, once its active when he dies he automatically comes back.

-If its not active, as shown in the scan I already posted, he can be killed.

-Izanagi is active for 1 whole minute, during that minute the user cannot die, obviously the eye closes by itself because the jutsu is active. Its not "you die and then the eye closes" lmao. I suggest you read up on how this jutsu works before we talk. Danzo being reckless has nothing to do with the point here.

I guess you have a point with the Danzo thing.

Obito can't react to Sasuke, so he isn't going to activate Izanagi in the first place.

So when we are done spouting BS, we start spouting more BS......lol.

-Juubito's best feat is reacting to a strike from slower people.

-Madara was following Eighth Gate Gai's speed and blocked his initial strike, who is way faster in terms of movement and striking speed than BSM Naruto and BM Minato.

I just can't take you serious after denying 4manga scans and then say you countered them when you only denied them. Your acting like Sasuke speed is ftl. Take a look here.(

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). Sasuke supreme teleporting tech was out-speeded by Kakashi Susanoo. Naruto nor Sasuke seen Kakashi coming at all and he managed to get to Sakura before Kakashi could teleport her. In the time it takes him to focus and teleport Obito would have already been intangible. Also every time Sasuke uses his s/tech he focus on the target in the time it takes him to focus Obito would have already went intangible which you yourself said is instant. Proof of him focusing on each and every target he teleports. (

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Pre Jin Madara showed better speed feats than Obito w/o Juubi. He has better movement speed feats too. Adding the Juubi doesn't change that, in fact it makes the gap wider since Rikudo Madara>Juubito.



OBITO CAN'T REACT. How many times am I going to have to state this before you stop asking the same question? No reaction=No intangibility. Its instant, but Obito activating it isn't instant.

Also how is he blitzing him at 150m? Manga disagree's with you on that one because a beaten and battered Obito reacted to Juubi Jin Madara who is much faster than Tobirama. So Gai is now faster than instant smh...