Prime Obito vs Naruto or Sasuke

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Juubito has big chance... but he lack great deal of raw power which Madara had to supply his attacks/techniques.

Juubito with kamui is very haxxed and incredible dangerous so it can go either way. However Juubito may not last long enough if he is forced to go all out at them. Naruto is incredible powerfull., so it will be very hard for Juubito to gain upperhand.

Juubito with Kamui may win against Sasuke, unless Sasuke swap with him when Juubito will try to nuke him with Juubidama, then Juubito may kill himself before he can react and switch to itangibility.

However If Juubito had Almost compltere Juubi just like Madara then Sasuke loose, while against Naruto it can go either way.

Of course, Prime Hagoromo neg or low diff.
 

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I owned you atleast you gave up instead of dragging on something you were getting destroyed at. You act as if that debate was even a serious debate plus i picked the underdog.

Owning me=/=Not replying to me and then claiming you owned me.

Lol, still got shitted on tho.
 

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Owning me=/=Not replying to me and then claiming you owned me.

Lol, still got shitted on tho.
Calm down Kg why you so mad though? Lol you didn't even reply to my last post. You just don't know how hard im laughing over here cuzzo.
 

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Obito will defeat them like fodders. Naruto tho
 

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No, I didn't. You'd realize that if you actually read the post.

I'm still seeing no proof that he reacted to the attack, just more nonsense. Sasuke didn't show or hint or state that he can teleport objects around. He only showed that he can swap places and that he can teleport himself. But let me guess, Madara can see into the future amirite? Lmao.


And once again, no proof that he reacted. Unless you provide this, I suggest you just stop posting.

Ok, I won't bother you with my posts, especially that you've as much proof for your case as I do for mine, which is 0 - because it wasn't stated black on white what exactly happened, yet you're acting as if your theory was superior.

Also, even if Sasuke could blitz JJ Obito, it wouldn't do shit, because we've already seen JJ Obito blowing half of his own body with TBB and surviving it like np. And actually, with full intel for both sides, the only way Sasuke could blitz Obito would be in the very first moment of their fight which obviously ISN'T HAPPENING since the starting distance is 50m. With these conditions Sasuke has no way of ending the fight before Obito manages to activate his Kamui - sword assault isn't enough to put Obito down and using some other offensive technique before teleportation is equal to giving Obito enough time to react before your 'blitz' would happen.
 

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Ok, I won't bother you with my posts, especially that you've as much proof for your case as I do for mine, which is 0 - because it wasn't stated black on white what exactly happened, yet you're acting as if your theory was superior.

What theory? There is no theory. I'm merely stating what was shown in the manga. Madara got blitzed, as he failed to react. Its really that simple. You claim he knew what happened before it happened based on the dialogue, but that makes no sense.

Also, even if Sasuke could blitz JJ Obito, it wouldn't do shit, because we've already seen JJ Obito blowing half of his own body with TBB and surviving it like np.

When he was berserk. Madara, a superior Juubi Jin, almost died from getting half his body blown off. Obito isn't going to survive being cut into multiple pieces.

And actually, with full intel for both sides, the only way Sasuke could blitz Obito would be in the very first moment of their fight which obviously ISN'T HAPPENING since the starting distance is 50m. With these conditions Sasuke has no way of ending the fight before Obito manages to activate his Kamui - sword assault isn't enough to put Obito down and using some other offensive technique before teleportation is equal to giving Obito enough time to react before your 'blitz' would happen.

50m is already in Sasuke's range, so that part is irrelevant, and no, using an offensive technique before using his teleportation doesn't give Obito enough time to react, nor will it change anything. If he goes intangible and stays that way, 5 minutes later he gets blitzed and killed. If he becomes tangible at any point, Sasuke can teleport him right in front of his Susanoo's blades as he swings them, and Obito gets cut in to four pieces.
 

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And here we go with your repeating the same bullshit. All those scans were the same, except for Goshun Mawashi, which isn't what we are talking about here. Deny=/=Counter. You claiming I denied it with no reply=Concession.


I already told you that Kamui isn't instant, and that the larger the object, the more chakra you have to build up and the longer the warp. I got no rebuttal.


You have to activate it first buddy. Danzo released it , and then Danzo had to to survive since he couldn't reactivate Izanagi in time. Karin explains it as well.




The barrier didn't tank a Juubidama, it sucked the force of the attack up and shot it through the roof. The same chakra arms that fodderized that barrier got slapped away by Yin and Yang Kurama. Not doing shit to Perfect Susanoo.



Still haven't gotten any proof for this either. Concession is accepted on this point.
When did Madara activate it? Danzo had to do that because his was going off automatically or did you forget? Kakashi took time because he didn't have enough chakra to do it off rip Obito who is a Juubi Jin won't have this problem obviously. Bigger the object the longer it takes to warp get that bullshit out of here Kakashi warped Hachibi just as fast as they warp anything else try again. So Sasuke's fraction of dead Hagoromo chakra>Juubi's? Gtfoh.
 

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When did Madara activate it? Danzo had to do that because his was going off automatically or did you forget?

Danzo's Izanagi wasn't going on and off. It was on because he activated it and off because he released it. Where are you even getting this nonsense from.

Madara had his pre set, completely irrelevant here.


Kakashi took time because he didn't have enough chakra to do it

Baseless assumption. If he didn't have enough chakra to do it, then he wouldn't have been able to try it or do it.


Bigger the object the longer it takes to warp get that bullshit out of here Kakashi warped Hachibi just as fast as they warp anything else try again.

Fine, not like it matters since he still has to build chakra up.

So Sasuke's fraction of dead Hagoromo chakra>Juubi's? Gtfoh.

He got all of Hagoromo's Yin Chakra, not a fraction. Once again, read the manga before you reply.
 

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What theory? There is no theory. I'm merely stating what was shown in the manga. Madara got blitzed, as he failed to react. Its really that simple. You claim he knew what happened before it happened based on the dialogue, but that makes no sense.

You have 0 proof that it wasn't Madara's plan all along other than 'the first impression of what happened'.

When he was berserk. Madara, a superior Juubi Jin, almost died from getting half his body blown off. Obito isn't going to survive being cut into multiple pieces.

But he tanked it like np. JJ Madara had bones, blood and everything, while JJ Obito doesn't. I don't care why - it's a fact.

50m is already in Sasuke's range, so that part is irrelevant, and no, using an offensive technique before using his teleportation doesn't give Obito enough time to react, nor will it change anything. If he goes intangible and stays that way, 5 minutes later he gets blitzed and killed. If he becomes tangible at any point, Sasuke can teleport him right in front of his Susanoo's blades as he swings them, and Obito gets cut in to four pieces.

isn't 50m. No way.

@Bold.

Show me where I ever stated that Obito wins. Don't put words in my mouth.
 

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You have 0 proof that it wasn't Madara's plan all along other than 'the first impression of what happened'.

You made the claim, you back it up. Madara showed NO hints of knowing what was about to happen. If you aren't going to back up your claim, then I'll accept your concession.



But he tanked it like np. JJ Madara had bones, blood and everything, while JJ Obito doesn't. I don't care why - it's a fact.

Obito doesn't have blood, yet I showed a scan of him spitting out blood..smh..Obito's bodily composition is no different from Madara's before the Juubi, why would it be afterwards.

isn't 50m. No way.
The portal isn't, but Obito and Sakura are a whole dimension away. So what is this scan supposed to prove?


Show me where I ever stated that Obito wins. Don't put words in my mouth.

Then you should have clarified. My bad.
 

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You can't react to instant. How many times do I have to repeat myself before you morons realize that fact. Minato is slower than Sasuke, so reacting to someone slower doesn't mean shit here. Especially when Madara, faster than Obito, got his shit blitzed.


Fanfic buddy. Its pathetic that the Obito supporters have to rely on fanfic to argue their points. When you can show me a scan of him summoning the Juubi and fighting with it, then we can talk. Until then, when he summons it, it becomes the Shinju as it did in canon. It automatically evolves, as it always did, in canon.



He already injured Madara with the Rikudo Chakra, so its irrelevant whether or not he has Senjutsu. But hey, this is the same clown who thinks that the body of the Jin can be hurt by Ninjutsu despite manga stating OVER AND OVER AGAIN that it doesn't. SM Rasengan put a hole in his back but a KCM Enton RS didn't do shit, but hey, I guess that just means you think Rasengan>Enton Rasengan. More reason not to take you seriously.


Like they did to the Kurama Avatars? Oh wait, they got slapped away. Lol, get this wank shit out of here.




Uchiha Kaenjin? You mean the barrier with no feats? Get this bullshit out of here. They rip through the barrier as if it wasn't there, and destroy the tree, or Naruto just tanks with the Gudo Dama just how Obito did.

"Enhanced by the Juubi's chakra" isn't an argument kiddo, its about time you and YounqDebater realized this.

The most pathetic arguments always come from you guys. Can't stick to canon since they know Obito gets shitted on if you go by canon.



Just like Madara did right? Oh wait, just more shitty fanfic from the pathetic Obito supporters. When it shows any kind of noticeable chakra build up, then you can talk, until then, try not to invent shit to support your shitty argument.


No, I didn't. You'd realize that if you actually read the post.


I'm still seeing no proof that he reacted to the attack, just more nonsense. Sasuke didn't show or hint or state that he can teleport objects around. He only showed that he can swap places and that he can teleport himself. But let me guess, Madara can see into the future amirite? Lmao.


And once again, no proof that he reacted. Unless you provide this, I suggest you just stop posting.




If repeating the same stuff that was already countered and slurping on Obito's wang is owning me....lmao. No wonder Kifflom shitted on you, can't debate for shit.

sigh.
You cant react to instant,however you can react to a split second after,which is exactly what he did. Madara didnt get blitzed,get your fanfic out of your head. When your marked the attack appears on your body,obito reacted between the rasengan appearing and it dealing damage to his body,thats far more reaction time needed to rape sasuke,especially if sasuke teleports,uses susanoo and strikes. Sasuke faster than bm minato?,in movement speed?yea right.

Fanfic that a perfect jinchuriki of the juubi can summon the juubi?,this is so pathetic that your this desperate,i guess shukaku cant use a bijudama right?. He activated IT which required the shinju,not the juubi,thus he made it go to shinju form,is that hard for you grasp?what do you mean evolve?,the shinju can freely turn to the juubi at any time,like it did against hagoromo and hamura you moron.

You mean the same manga that showed juubito damaged and regenerating from ninjutsu?,you mean the same manga that had juubito protecting his body from ninjutsu?,you mean the same manga that shows a juubi jin's body cant nullify ninjuytsu which the only reason it didnt work against the black balls?keep your fanfic on.pathetic. The enton rasengan blasted obito several feet,damaged his stomach,set him abalaze and kept him on the floor until his balls saved him.
the kurama avatars knocked them away before they could grab or hit them,v1 juubi already smacked kurama away with a chakra arm,i wonder how many limbs sasuke's susanoo has to knock multiple chakra arms Lol. You mean the same barrier that withstood a juubidama?yea keep being pathetic
so a rasengan from base naruto,will be equal to a bm rasengan?are you daft?,a mere kyubi cloak enhanced the SA's abilities by at least 3x,sasuke enhanced his chidori with hagoromo's chakra,and his susanoo too yet the juubi's jinchurikir cant make a more powerful barrier?if you are stupid,you will think that half of hagoromo's chakra is superior to the juubi's.
Juubito already sensed amaterasu long before it was activated,unless ofcourse in your fanfic,sasuke dosent mould or buildup any chakra to teleport . Madara already reacted and escaped sasuke's teleportationLol.

When you can actually bring up an argument,then you can talk.
 

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Danzo's Izanagi wasn't going on and off. It was on because he activated it and off because he released it. Where are you even getting this nonsense from.

Madara had his pre set, completely irrelevant here.




Baseless assumption. If he didn't have enough chakra to do it, then he wouldn't have been able to try it or do it.




Fine, not like it matters since he still has to build chakra up.



He got all of Hagoromo's Yin Chakra, not a fraction. Once again, read the manga before you reply.
Karin confirms Danzo Izanagi goes off automatically here( ) You have a point with the Madara thing but Obito can easily manage to do this against Sasuke since it doesn't take time at all plus you act as if Sasuke can move at light speed. The damage Sasuke can deal to Obito won't be killing damage seeing as Juubi Jins can get half of there body blown off and still live.

He stores the right amount of chakra up also he didn't take time to warp Hachibi it only took time to warp Juubi because Juubi is far bigger than any Susanoo and Hachibi.
 

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You made the claim, you back it up. Madara showed NO hints of knowing what was about to happen. If you aren't going to back up your claim, then I'll accept your concession.

Interpretation is a subjective thing. To me he showed hints of EXPECTING what was about to happen, one page earlier he decided not to wait any longer with getting his eye back, was aware (at least) partially about Sasuke's Rinnegan and its power, heard Naruto and Sasuke's plan, gave them time to execute everything while standing still and doing nothing and then fooled them and achieved exactly what he wanted.

It clearly wasn't a coincidence, but it's your right to have your own opinion on what happened, so let's leave it.

Obito doesn't have blood, yet I showed a scan of him spitting out blood..smh..Obito's bodily composition is no different from Madara's before the Juubi, why would it be afterwards.

It's obviously inconsistency. He had nothing human-like after half of his body was blown off AND not a single drop of blood dripped from the holes in his palms for example.

The portal isn't, but Obito and Sakura are a whole dimension away. So what is this scan supposed to prove?

So they were a whole dimension away, but these 20~ meters he had to run were so important that they decided whether he could use his Rinnegan or not? It doesn't make any sense.

Then you should have clarified. My bad.

Ko, np.
 

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Karin confirms Danzo Izanagi goes off automatically here(x)

No she doesn't. She only talks about how long he can keep the jutsu up. He automatically respawns when he dies while Izanagi is activated, but it doesn't change the fact it has to be activated, as shown in my previous post, where Danzo releases it, and he can be killed. If it was automatic, he wouldn't have needed Mokuton for the Susanoo arrow.

You have a point with the Madara thing but Obito can easily manage to do this against Sasuke since it doesn't take time at all plus you act as if Sasuke can move at light speed.
You don't know how Madara pre set his Izanagi, so you can't say that it takes time, and no, I never said he moves at light speed. I just he just gets blitzed because someone on his speed tier got blitzed as well.

The damage Sasuke can deal to Obito won't be killing damage seeing as Juubi Jins can get half of there body blown off and still live.

Sasuke can teleport him right in front of his Susanoo's blades as he swings them, and Obito gets cut in to four pieces.

He isn't surviving getting cut into four pieces, nor would he survive getting half his body blown off if he wasn't going berserk.

He stores the right amount of chakra up also he didn't take time to warp Hachibi it only took time to warp Juubi because Juubi is far bigger than any Susanoo and Hachibi.

Exactly, which means he'll have to store up the same amount first to warp away a larger object. Sasuke's PS is also much larger than the Hachibi, so it'll take time as well.
 

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Interpretation is a subjective thing. To me he showed hints of EXPECTING what was about to happen, one page earlier he decided not to wait any longer with getting his eye back, was aware (at least) partially about Sasuke's Rinnegan and its power, heard Naruto and Sasuke's plan, gave them time to execute everything while standing still and doing nothing and then fooled them and achieved exactly what he wanted

No, he didn't. Its not subjective at all. An exclamation point above his head doesn't mean he figured out what was going on.


It's obviously inconsistency. He had nothing human-like after half of his body was blown off AND not a single drop of blood dripped from the holes in his palms for example.

Yeah, because the Juubi was taking over his body, hence his body going through that weird transformation before he became perfect.


So they were a whole dimension away, but these 20~ meters he had to run were so important that they decided whether he could use his Rinnegan or not? It doesn't make any sense.


He tried to run, but couldn't make it before the portal closed. So he ended up switching places with Sakura's jacket to bypass his range limit.
 

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Yeah, because the Juubi was taking over his body, hence his body going through that weird transformation before he became perfect.

There were still holes on his palms that weren't dripping blood.

He tried to run, but couldn't make it before the portal closed. So he ended up switching places with Sakura's jacket to bypass his range limit.

So basically you're saying that Sasuke despite knowing that that portal was the only chance for him to ever go back to the others AND having teleportation in his disposal, chose to try his luck and tried to run instead?

If that's what you meant, then it leaves us with Sasuke either not being able to teleport or switch from such distance OR him being extremely stupid.
 

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You cant react to instant,however you can react to a split second after,which is exactly what he did. Madara didnt get blitzed,get your fanfic out of your head. When your marked the attack appears on your body,obito reacted between the rasengan appearing and it dealing damage to his body,thats far more reaction time needed to rape sasuke,especially if sasuke teleports,uses susanoo and strikes. Sasuke faster than bm minato?,in movement speed?yea right.

No, it doesn't.

-Minato still had to move to stab Obito.

-Minato still had to move to cut Obito when he was about to revive Madara with Rinne Tensei.

Between the Rasengan appearing and dealing damage to his body? If the Rasengan touches him it deals damage, so its pretty much the same process. There is no in between. Besides, he knew they were coming before they came, which further discredits this nonsense of him reacting to something that was instantaneous.


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He also guarded his back.



Fanfic that a perfect jinchuriki of the juubi can summon the juubi?,this is so pathetic that your this desperate,i guess shukaku cant use a bijudama right?. He activated IT which required the shinju,not the juubi,thus he made it go to shinju form,is that hard for you grasp?what do you mean evolve?,the shinju can freely turn to the juubi at any time,like it did against hagoromo and hamura you moron.
Yup. Pure fanfic. The Shinju only turned into the Juubi because Kaguya willed it, not because the tree itself willed it. That was already cleared up by Black Zetsu.

When you can show me scans of the Juubi being summoned for battle then we can talk. Until then, get the fanfic bullshit out of here. The Juubi has always automatically transformed, this time would be no different. It automatically becomes the Shinju until the manga shows otherwise.

Obito can already use all the abilities of the Juubi without the Juubi itself, no reason he'd be able to summon it for battle when the manga never showed such.


You mean the same manga that showed juubito damaged and regenerating from ninjutsu?,you mean the same manga that had juubito protecting his body from ninjutsu?,you mean the same manga that shows a juubi jin's body cant nullify ninjuytsu which the only reason it didnt work against the black balls?keep your fanfic on.pathetic. The enton rasengan blasted obito several feet,damaged his stomach,set him abalaze and kept him on the floor until his balls saved him.
the kurama avatars knocked them away before they could grab or hit them,v1 juubi already smacked kurama away with a chakra arm,i wonder how many limbs sasuke's susanoo has to knock multiple chakra arms Lol. You mean the same barrier that withstood a juubidama?yea keep being pathetic

Manga already stated that only Senjutsu and Taijutsu work on the Jin's body. I'm not going to debate something manga characters have stated over and over again.

Enton Rasengan barely did shit to him while the SM Rasengan put a hole in his back. Meaning the Jin's body doesn't get hurt, or at the very least, heavily resists Ninjutsu attacks. Case and point.

It has its swords to cut them, so no, it doesn't need to knock them back.

Uchiha Kaenjin took a Juubidama? lmfao, what the hell kind of manga are you reading?


so a rasengan from base naruto,will be equal to a bm rasengan?are you daft?,a mere kyubi cloak enhanced the SA's abilities by at least 3x,sasuke enhanced his chidori with hagoromo's chakra,and his susanoo too yet the juubi's jinchurikir cant make a more powerful barrier?

Never said the barriers would be equal. When you can get proof Uchiha Kaenjin is going to get so strong that it'll protect from Naruto and Sasuke's attacks then we can talk. Oh wait, you can't. It has no feats on its own let alone buffed by Juubi Chakra. Lol.

if you are stupid,you will think that half of hagoromo's chakra is superior to the juubi's.

If you are stupid, you will actually believe the shit that comes out of your mouth. I already posted my reasoning. If you aren't going to counter, stfu and don't reply.

Juubito already sensed amaterasu long before it was activated,unless ofcourse in your fanfic,sasuke dosent mould or buildup any chakra to teleport . Madara already reacted and escaped sasuke's teleportationLol.
Amaterasu=/=Teleportation. Madara, Kaguya, nor Naruto never sensed shit nor did they indicate they sensed shit. So I'm not going to believe that it has such a noticeable build up that it can be sensed by sensor type Ninja.

He got blitzed, he failed to react to the attack and only escaped AFTER he was struck. That's not reacting moron.

When you can actually bring up an argument,then you can talk.

When you can stop denying manga fact, then you can talk.
 

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Did a noob just say obito cant go BM?,and juubi's chakra wont increase obitoe's techs?,and juubito going berserk is the only reason why he healed from being blown in half?,that sasuke can cut obito multiple times before obito can react?that obito with the juubi's chakra level will have to take some time to warp sasuke's ps when kakashi with a kyubi cloak warped hachibi almost normally?
This has to be the worst D-riding ive ever seen,

Ot: juubito wins
 

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There were still holes on his palms that weren't dripping blood.

Holes on his palms?



So basically you're saying that Sasuke despite knowing that that portal was the only chance for him to ever go back to the others AND having teleportation in his disposal, chose to try his luck and tried to run instead?
That is exactly what happened.

If that's what you meant, then it leaves us with Sasuke either not being able to teleport or switch from such distance OR him being extremely stupid.


Its the former. But the former is irrelevant as Sasuke was more than 50m way from Obito and Sakura.
 
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