Prime Kakashi can Kamui Snipe while Intangible

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you are the one ignorant and in addition in denial. All right stay in denial I won't force you to accept manga.

Your fanfic in your head,I will let you enjoy it.



Exactly and with Obito it is pure assumption as well. However Kakashi is unable to do that as manga has shown

Lol Butthurt and can't counter anything and XD Lol at the neg, you're retarded now Obito was suppose to go intangible ? wouldn't that ash bone kill Naruto instead, this guy.

 

[Scryed]

The parts of his body that overlap with other objects are what's sent to the other dimension.

If an invisible object were to overlap with his head, he would appear to be headless since his head would be in Obito's dimension.

I don't think he chooses what parts go to the other dimension. It's just whatever happens to overlap with his body (Obito's hand going through Rin's face).

It's the same technique coming from the same eye. That's probably why Obito couldn't warp away (because he was already using his Kamui in that eye to become "intangible")

So yeah, I also believe that the "intangibility" mode could be used while trying to snipe with the other eye. His body will remain in the real world until an object overlaps with another part of his body. If you remember, Tobi was using outer path chains while half of his body was in his dimension. That's because the other half (The half that had his arms using the chains) was still in the real world.


So my guess is t hat Kakashi/Obito would be able to snipe others as long as something doesn't overlap with their left eye.

 

[KCMNaruto]

Lol Butthurt and can't counter anything and XD Lol at the neg, you're retarded now Obito was suppose to go intangible ? wouldn't that ash bone kill Naruto instead, this guy.

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Also you finally have shown your true face, huh. You are just whining too make yourself look bad so anyone will agree with you or you just try to act smart while being butthurt, honestly I have no idea which is the worse.

I didn't even mention Obito's case in my post, as it was logical for him be solid. Anyway Kishi would arrange this in other way still allowing Obito to phase and snipe but Kishi didn't do that. You are the one retarted who do everything to defend your favourite character even go in denial if needed.

I won't go further in childlish argument with you. You have lost as manga disagree with you.

Think what you want/like, but it doesn't make it fact.

Also I won debate with you, so don't reply to me as I won and I will not respond to you anymore unless you bring me scan of doing it.

Oh, by the way the burden of proof is on you and OP so have a nice time

The parts of his body that overlap with other objects are what's sent to the other dimension.

If an invisible object were to overlap with his head, he would appear to be headless since his head would be in Obito's dimension.

I don't think he chooses what parts go to the other dimension. It's just whatever happens to overlap with his body (Obito's hand going through Rin's face).

It's the same technique coming from the same eye. That's probably why Obito couldn't warp away (because he was already using his Kamui in that eye to become "intangible")

So yeah, I also believe that the "intangibility" mode could be used while trying to snipe with the other eye. His body will remain in the real world until an object overlaps with another part of his body. If you remember, Tobi was using outer path chains while half of his body was in his dimension. That's because the other half (The half that had his arms using the chains) was still in the real world.


So my guess is t hat Kakashi/Obito would be able to snipe others as long as something doesn't overlap with their left eye.

Great try I would realy clap to this, respect man.

Anyway there was point at which Gyuuki was covering Obito trying to squeeze him while he was phasing so Obito could have not any part present in real world yet Outer path chains still worked.

Also Kamui user may be able to use any attack while phasing bar Kamui warp in any way. This is clearly what the manga has shown. Also I believe He rather choose which part of his body are overalapping and which not.

In the end, Manga dispproved that idea but don't be sad, if attack just pass through him fast then he become tangible almost right away and then can snipe. One or two more seconds wasted but still OP as hell in my opinion, unless you try to wank him so much so he is the strongest character in NV then please don't waste other guys's time on this forum.

EDIT: also the Konan statement was "You have to become colid before use teleport" - she didn't specify partially solid or have usable part of body solid is just enough so he has to be WHOLE solid to use warp.

 

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Also you finally have shown your true face, huh. You are just whining too make yourself look bad so anyone will agree with you or you just try to act smart while being butthurt, honestly I have no idea which is the worse.

I didn't even mention Obito's case in my post, as it was logical for him be solid. Anyway Kishi would arrange this in other way still allowing Obito to phase and snipe but Kishi didn't do that. You are the one retarted who do everything to defend your favourite character even go in denial if needed.

I won't go further in childlish argument with you. You have lost as manga disagree with you.

Think what you want/like, but it doesn't make it fact.

Also I won debate with you, so don't reply to me as I won and I will not respond to you anymore unless you bring me scan of doing it.

Oh, by the way the burden of proof is on you and OP so have a nice time

How does the manga disagree with me? huh a scan with Obito have One eye? please at least attempt to do better you're clearly ignoring the both eyes have two different abilities while trying to use a old scan which have no meaning on the argument as having both eyes debunks it.

Kishi would have made him do what? phase and let the bone kill Naruto? why would he run in front of them then just to let the bone phase through him? do you even read the manga?

Since you're reading comprehension seems to be lacking let me spell it out for you, the Eye that Kakashi use is the long range and it has no bearing on the other eye than Obito that has the short range warping and Intangibility get it now?
If youhave a scan that disproves that Double MS Kamui abilities can't be used together please post, it if not just move along

Also let me give you a little information as you seem to be lacking it, Obito nor Kakashi isn't my favourite characters they're not even top 5, but unlike you who has been *****in worse than KOL ever since Naruto healed Obito You're a hater plain and simple.

 

[dms_kakashi]

Yes I have been saying that many times.

 

[Scryed]

Read post above

Also you finally have shown your true face, huh. You are just whining too make yourself look bad so anyone will agree with you or you just try to act smart while being butthurt, honestly I have no idea which is the worse.

I didn't even mention Obito's case in my post, as it was logical for him be solid. Anyway Kishi would arrange this in other way still allowing Obito to phase and snipe but Kishi didn't do that. You are the one retarted who do everything to defend your favourite character even go in denial if needed.

I won't go further in childlish argument with you. You have lost as manga disagree with you.

Think what you want/like, but it doesn't make it fact.

Also I won debate with you, so don't reply to me as I won and I will not respond to you anymore unless you bring me scan of doing it.

Oh, by the way the burden of proof is on you and OP so have a nice time



Great try I would realy clap to this, respect man.

Anyway there was point at which Gyuuki was covering Obito trying to squeeze him while he was phasing so Obito could have not any part present in real world yet Outer path chains still worked.

Also Kamui user may be able to use any attack while phasing bar Kamui warp in any way. This is clearly what the manga has shown. Also I believe He rather choose which part of his body are overalapping and which not.

In the end, Manga dispproved that idea but don't be sad, if attack just pass through him fast then he become tangible almost right away and then can snipe. One or two more seconds wasted but still OP as hell in my opinion, unless you try to wank him so much so he is the strongest character in NV then please don't waste other guys's time on this forum.

EDIT: also the Konan statement was "You have to become colid before use teleport" - she didn't specify partially solid or have usable part of body solid is just enough so he has to be WHOLE solid to use warp.

Kinda hard to come to a conclusion since this isn't something we can actually test out though which is why either of us could be right.

Konan and everyone else in the past believed that he was actually becoming intangible. Even Kakashi believed that to be the case too until he found out that he was actually using Kamui to send his overlapping body parts to the other dimension.

The two eyes seem to work like this:

Right eye- Warping himself/others on contact. "Intangibility" mode.

Left eye- Warping himself/others on contact. Warping from a distance based on sight.


Konan was right when she said he had to be solid to warp away. She came to that conclusion from observing him all those years. Although even you have to admit that the reason could've been because Kamui was already being used to send parts of his body into his dimension. What that proved is that he can't warp himself away when he isn't "whole". I don't believe Obito himself chooses what parts go to the other dimension but I do believe it's like a mode that has to be turned on and off.

The reason I believe this is:

1. When Obito tried to touch Rin's face, his hand went through her unintentionally. Right afterwards, he turned his Kamui off to be able to make contact.

2. Rinnegan Obito vs Naruto and Killer Bee. When Naruto and Bee were being pushed back by his paths, Obito went ahead to try to make contact with Naruto. Suddenly, his hand went through Naruto. He had turned his Kamui on to make Gai's kick go through him. As a result, his hand went through Naruto as well.


With Distance Kamui, he's not warping himself nor does he have to warp something whole. I will agree that even with DMS, Obito can't warp himself away while something is overlapping with him. Simply because he has to be "whole". Also since I've noticed that his version of Kamui can't sever. When he warps something, he warps the entire thing unlike his distance one that severs parts if the portal is closed.

Distance Kamui isn't being used on himself nor is it being used through the same eye. He doesn't require contact, all he needs to do is be able to see and track his opponent through vision alone. As long as his eye isn't sent to the other dimension, I don't see why he can't use it.

But like I said, either of us could be right.

 

[KCMNaruto]

How does the manga disagree with me? huh a scan with Obito have One eye? please at least attempt to do better you're clearly ignoring the both eyes have two different abilities while trying to use a old scan which have no meaning on the argument as having both eyes debunks it.

Kishi would have made him do what? phase and let the bone kill Naruto? why would he run in front of them then just to let the bone phase through him? do you even read the manga?

Since you're reading comprehension seems to be lacking let me spell it out for you, the Eye that Kakashi use is the long range and it has no bearing on the other eye than Obito that has the short range warping and Intangibility get it now?
If youhave a scan that disproves that Double MS Kamui abilities can't be used together please post, it if not just move along

Also let me give you a little information as you seem to be lacking it, Obito nor Kakashi isn't my favourite characters they're not even top 5, but unlike you who has been *****in worse than KOL ever since Naruto healed Obito You're a hater plain and simple.

oh no again,

First, yes it still have meaning and hold truth. "And it takes longer to suck yourself in... Than another person or object..." quote reffer to just one eye. However "To teleport, you must first materialize" quote doesn't reffer to specific eye or ability. Of course by default and based on context Konan would refer to one-eye which Obito had that time, however it is only our way of interpreation of manga fact, which even if likely is no proof this applying to both eyes unless disproved by manga scans or statement.

2. I don't know what is wrong with you, seriously dude. I am keep mentioning Kakashi powered by Obito's chakra would be made use of Phasing while sniping Kaguya'a attack at Naruto by Kishi if he wanted it. Yes it was simple as Kaguya shooting only one ash bone at Kakashi so he would be phasing and sniping, yet Kishi has never stated he can or has shown it on panel.

3. I have never questioned Obito's use of both Kamui at the same time. I only assumed based on manga fact that Intangibility ability as hax as it is, could work on completly another conditions make it impossible to use eye's power for any warp until he won't get solid fully. Don't ask me how it does make sense, this is no real world so no real logic need to be applied. Kishimoto may adjust it working to his whim/view and we have to deal with it. Lastly burden proof is on you to post scan where Kamui user is phasing while sniping(warping from distance).

4. Me disliking Kakashi's power up from Obito has nothing to do with that thread, however manga fact does.
Stop finding excuse and etiher accept manga or show me something which debunk that statement, I will wait patiently.

Kinda hard to come to a conclusion since this isn't something we can actually test out though which is why either of us could be right.

Konan and everyone else in the past believed that he was actually becoming intangible. Even Kakashi believed that to be the case too until he found out that he was actually using Kamui to send his overlapping body parts to the other dimension.

The two eyes seem to work like this:

Right eye- Warping himself/others on contact. "Intangibility" mode.

Left eye- Warping himself/others on contact. Warping from a distance based on sight.


Konan was right when she said he had to be solid to warp away. She came to that conclusion from observing him all those years. Although even you have to admit that the reason could've been because Kamui was already being used to send parts of his body into his dimension. What that proved is that he can't warp himself away when he isn't "whole". I don't believe Obito himself chooses what parts go to the other dimension but I do believe it's like a mode that has to be turned on and off.

The reason I believe this is:

1. When Obito tried to touch Rin's face, his hand went through her unintentionally. Right afterwards, he turned his Kamui off to be able to make contact.

2. Rinnegan Obito vs Naruto and Killer Bee. When Naruto and Bee were being pushed back by his paths, Obito went ahead to try to make contact with Naruto. Suddenly, his hand went through Naruto. He had turned his Kamui on to make Gai's kick go through him. As a result, his hand went through Naruto as well.


With Distance Kamui, he's not warping himself nor does he have to warp something whole. I will agree that even with DMS, Obito can't warp himself away while something is overlapping with him. Simply because he has to be "whole". Also since I've noticed that his version of Kamui can't sever. When he warps something, he warps the entire thing unlike his distance one that severs parts if the portal is closed.

Distance Kamui isn't being used on himself nor is it being used through the same eye. He doesn't require contact, all he needs to do is be able to see and track his opponent through vision alone. As long as his eye isn't sent to the other dimension, I don't see why he can't use it.

But like I said, either of us could be right.

@ the bold part is essentialy main point while the manga support my statement. It wasn't stated specificaly that Obito can not use close wrap only while phasing, however it was stated generaly that he need to be solid to teleport/warp, it was not specified so it apply to both Kamui until manga shows or states otherwise.

Interesting explanation and point of view, I can give you a little doubt but it still hold strong and have meaning.

However leaving his eyes solid would still allows someone to hit him canceling snipe/long range wrap in the worst case.

I really like your explanation so it questionable, however the manga statement support my case so for now I have to lean more towards mine statement. Actually I can say I am sure but your reply gives me some thoughts, however with no manga support your words have no meaning.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Cant disagree.
Kamui GG

 

[KCMNaruto]

Cant disagree.
Kamui GG

great opinion buddy

 

[Scryed]

oh no again,

First, yes it still have meaning and hold truth. "And it takes longer to suck yourself in... Than another person or object..." quote reffer to just one eye. However "To teleport, you must first materialize" quote doesn't reffer to specific eye or ability. Of course by default and based on context Konan would refer to one-eye which Obito had that time, however it is only our way of interpreation of manga fact, which even if likely is no proof this applying to both eyes unless disproved by manga scans or statement.

2. I don't know what is wrong with you, seriously dude. I am keep mentioning Kakashi powered by Obito's chakra would be made use of Phasing while sniping Kaguya'a attack at Naruto by Kishi if he wanted it. Yes it was simple as Kaguya shooting only one ash bone at Kakashi so he would be phasing and sniping, yet Kishi has never stated he can or has shown it on panel.

3. I have never questioned Obito's use of both Kamui at the same time. I only assumed based on manga fact that Intangibility ability as hax as it is, could work on completly another conditions make it impossible to use eye's power for any warp until he won't get solid fully. Don't ask me how it does make sense, this is no real world so no real logic need to be applied. Kishimoto may adjust it working to his whim/view and we have to deal with it. Lastly burden proof is on you to post scan where Kamui user is phasing while sniping(warping from distance).

4. Me disliking Kakashi's power up from Obito has nothing to do with that thread, however manga fact does.
Stop finding excuse and etiher accept manga or show me something which debunk that statement, I will wait patiently.




@ the bold part is essentialy main point while the manga support my statement. It wasn't stated specificaly that Obito can not use warp while phasing, however it was stated generaly that he need to be solid to teleport/warp, it was not specified so it apply to both Kamui until manga shows or states otherwise.

Interesting explanation and point of view, I can give you a little doubt but it still hold strong and have meaning.

However leaving his eyes solid would still allows someone to hit him canceling snipe/long range wrap in the worst case.

I really like your explanation so it questionable, however the manga statement support my case so for now I have to lean more towards mine statement. Actually I can say I am sure but your reply gives me some thoughts, however with no manga support your words have no meaning.

If someone were to hit him in the stomach while he's trying to snipe, then that part of his stomach will be sent to Kamui. His left eye on the other hand will remain in the real world. He won't be able to warp himself away since he needs to be whole to do so but all his distance Kamui needs is to for him to see his opponent.


I also came to my conclusion from things that happened in the manga like you did. We simply interpreted the manga differently.

But you could be right since what has happened in the manga hasn't contradicted your point.

If you were to say that Obito can make himself intangible but leave his hand tangible to attack then I would disagree. Simply because what has been shown is that turning that mode on sends any overlapping bodypart to the other dimension. Otherwise he would've been able to touch Naruto while Gai's kick was going through his head. That includes the other moments where Gai kept him intangible to prevent being touched by him through his combos.

 

[KCMNaruto]

If someone were to hit him in the stomach while he's trying to snipe, then that part of his stomach will be sent to Kamui. His left eye on the other hand will remain in the real world. He won't be able to warp himself away since he needs to be whole to do so but all his distance Kamui needs is to for him to see his opponent.


I also came to my conclusion from things that happened in the manga like you did. We simply interpreted the manga differently.

But you could be right since what has happened in the manga hasn't contradicted your point.

If you were to say that Obito can make himself intangible but leave his hand tangible to attack then I would disagree. Simply because what has been shown is that turning that mode on sends any overlapping bodypart to the other dimension. Otherwise he would've been able to touch Naruto while Gai's kick was going through his head. That includes the other moments where Gai kept him intangible to prevent being touched by him through his combos.

Interesting indeed.

so Do you mean that the moment something overlap with any part of his body then his whole body become intangible, in other way he become whole or fully phasing, so he can not use phasing on only part of his body ?

Anyway thanks for nice debate. I would give your explanation try, however manga disproved it so let's stick to it together for now

 

[Scryed]

Interesting indeed.

so Do you mean that the moment something overlap with any part of his body then his whole body become intangible, in other way he become whole or fully phasing, so he can not use phasing on only part of his body ?

Anyway thanks for nice debate. I would give your explanation try, however manga disproved it so let's stick to it together for now

No problem.

Think of it like this. Remember what Kakashi said, Obito isn't actually intangible. The parts of his body that overlap with something else were sent to the dimension making it appear as if he were. He's not actually etheral as if he were a hologram. That body part is just not there.


1. Obito turns that Kamui mode on.

2. He is still in the real world while that mode is on.

3. An invisible object passes through his head.

4. He suddenly appears to be headless.

5. As the invisible object passes, his head begins to reappear again.



The reason why it would be this way is because his head was transported to his dimension. It literally isn't there. The rest of his body on the other hand is still in the real world because nothing is overlapping with it. All the objects that have passed through him were not invisible/transparant so no one at the time had no way of knowing that his body parts literally disappear. Everyone, including Konan, believed he became like a hologram.

Although when this mode is active, he can't turn it off if any part of his body is still in the other dimension. His Kamui would still be active so he wouldn't be able to use it for anything else (He wouldn't be able to warp himself away while a part of him is in his dimension). Konan exploited this by making paper bombs continually pass through him even though she didn't realize it was the same ability nor did she know he wasn't actually etheral. What she exploited though was that his limit was 5 min.


If he were actually able to warp himself away with one eye while his legs are in his dimension through that Kamui mode from the other eye, then his legs will be severed since they aren't present with him. He would only be transporting the part of him that's there and since his legs wouldn' t be there...you get the idea.