Prime Kakashi > Any previous Hokage (Hashirama included)

[Brother Numpsay]

Regarding the topic people are bringing up here about Kamui-ing Kaguya directly, it may not have been possible since she has a comparable portal technique. Kind of like how Obito told Kakashi Kamui wouldn't work on him directly (right before he grabbed Sasuke to implant EMS in his eyes), it may be the case with Kaguya. Yes, he was able to warp the arms on her beast, but I guess it isn't the same as warping her actual body directly.

Just a rationalization and some food for thought.

Or that they are overestimating long range Kamui snipe speed

 

[Raijingan]

Why didnt he just Kamui snipe Kaguya's head off?

Because the manga has

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[Black Wolf]

Long-range Kamui snipe speed has warped BM Naruto clones in a hail of projectiles, flying rocks, and a variety of other distractions and warped Gedo Mazo's arm mid-summon. Double Kamui would naturally be even faster. Hell, Kakashi himself physically "blitzed" Kaguya in this chapter, and he isn't as fast as Kamui or double Kamui.

I'm inclined to believe that Kaguya's Kamui-like ability makes it impossible to Kamui her body directly.

 

[Vega]

Taijutsu.
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That's not a counter. Hiruzen also neutralizes Kakashi's brain GG.

 

[Migster257]

That's not a counter. Hiruzen also neutralizes Kakashi's brain GG.

Kakashi doesn't need a brain.
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[24farone]

It's funny that all of team 7 got rikudou chakra power ups Sakuras new power up confirmed ...

 

[Vega]

Kakashi doesn't need a brain.
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lol.
Alright he neutralizes his immune system, Hiruzen proceeds to defeat him with an Old Man's sneeze.

 

[SageOfTheTenPaths]

I love Kakashi, but Hashirama destroys Kakashi.

 

[Migster257]

lol.
Alright he neutralizes his immune system, Hiruzen proceeds to defeat him with an Old Man's sneeze.

It's funny because you need your immune system less than you need your brain.
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[Demonic.]

Slap yourself. They all shit on Kakashi. Wanna know why? Cause they're edos. Kamui rakiri aint doing sh*t. Kakashi gets raped. Kakashi is still a fodder. Jimmies will be rustled.

 

[Demonic.]

I love Kakashi, but Hashirama destroys Kakashi.

Jiraiya fans are smart!

 

[Vega]

It's funny because you need your immune system less than you need your brain.
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When I said Hiruzen neutralizes his brain I meant in the sense similar as if Kakashi gets a lobotomy, though he could neutralize even further and make him Brain-Dead.Without an immune system Kakashi literally dies via bacteria/germs
Anyways this Hiruzen just neutralizes his Sharingan

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[pateuvasiliu]

I love Kakashi, but Hashirama destroys Kakashi.

Nah.

Hashirama has to be stationary for Sage Mode and Shinsuusenju.

That means Kamui takes him out.

 

[xxSAGExx]

So, current Kakashi has:

-Ghost mode (No atack can touch him, with this, no PS is needed)

-Kamui snipe (kakashi's classic kamui, he can warp thins insanely fast from a safe distance, for example the gedo mazo's arm)

-Kamui shurikens (Allowing him to use more than 1 kamui simultaniously, this could be helpfull against multiple enemies, he doesn't need to warp each one at a time, he warps more than one at the same time)

-Kamui raikiri enhaced with sage powers(Black raikiri, stronger than the normal version, and you must add that he can't get any damages while he uses it, since his body is intangible)

-Speed feat of blitzing Kaguya

-PS (usefull to fight big opponents, for example if he needs to face a summon and he can't warp it away and he doesn't want to waste a lot of chakra on Kamui shurikens, he uses PS slash)

-All his previous abilities (Inteligence, speed and a big arsenal)

Prime Kakashi is god level, seriously. You can't touch him because he will go ghost mode, you can't get near him because you get crushed by his susanoo. You must be INSANELY FAST to dodge his kamui snipe (He warped the gedo mazo's arm faster than Madara's kuchiyose, and all his previous kamui feats), and he can use Kamui shurikens on more than one target at the same time.

Nope. Hashirama, Madara, Tobirama, Minato, Naruto, and Sasuke still take him down. Reread the chapter where Gai was fighting Madara, Kakashi stated that his MS was going blind and needs to be very close to use his Kamui and Kakashi lacks the stamina to last in a fight long. He can only stay intangible for 5 mins and Kakashi doesn't know that, strategic ninjas like Hashirama/Tobirama/Minato would all figure out that his Kamui wouldn't last long as Sasuke did with Danzo's Izanagi. Stamina is what takes Kakashi down the most then him going blind in at least his left eye which prevent him from sniping anyone.

Kakashi can't hit or react to Minato's and Tobirama's speed so he would burn himself out trying to hit them and failing since it doesn't matter if you could see their moves, if your body can't react then it's useless as Lee told Sasuke in part 1. Sasuke MS couldn't keep up with A speed and Sasuke speed and MS power are stronger than Kakashi who can't use the Sharingan as a Uchiha as stated by Itachi. Hashirama power took on PS+full Kurama, Kakashi PS is not close as powerful. Hashirama wood jutsus absorb chakra and can release pollen that renders you unconscious.

Naruto and Sasuke can attack from a distance until Kakashi burn out. Naruto's speed is too fast for Kakashi to actually hit him plus his clones makes it even harder; full Bijuu RS tbb will destroy PS and if Naruto attacks keep up for 5 mins then Kakashi is KO. Naruto also have the Bijuus to aid him in strategies. If Kakashi hits a clone with his Kamui shuriken then Kakashi can't go intangible without dying.

 

[EZQ]

On the subject, Kakashi probably didn't just kamui snipe kaguya away since she can use her S/T jutsu to come back from the other dimension. Her ST and kamui are linked as we saw on previous chapters.

 

[Black Wolf]

Slap yourself. They all shit on Kakashi. Wanna know why? Cause they're edos. Kamui rakiri aint doing sh*t. Kakashi gets raped. Kakashi is still a fodder. Jimmies will be rustled.

Well, I hope they enjoy living out the rest of eternity in the tetris dimension, because immortality or not, Kamui is essentially a "sealing jutsu" in this context.

 

[EZQ]

I love Kakashi, but Hashirama destroys Kakashi.

Any atacks Hashirama makes: Kakashi uses kamui and get's trough it, taking no damage. Hashirama can't touch him.

At the first chance Kakashi gets to kamui snipe Hashirama, he does it and the fight is over. We already saw how fast Kakashi can perform it on objects even bigger than human bodies.

DMS Kakashi > Hashirama

 

[Black Wolf]

Reread the chapter where Gai was fighting Madara, Kakashi stated that his MS was going blind and needs to be very close to use his Kamui and Kakashi lacks the stamina to last in a fight long.

It's hilarious that people find the need to use gimped versions of characters and pretend that is the status-quo. So I guess Konohamaru can beat Itachi and Jiraiya since they are a pile of dust / a floating carcass in the ocean?

Or to use a less extreme example, do we use bisected Tsunade as the status quo for that character? One-armed bleeding Jiraiya? Cacoon Raikage? It's pretty obvious you'd use the prime of a character, not the chakra depleted version of a character that has been fighting nonstop for the better part of 2 days.

He can only stay intangible for 5 mins and Kakashi doesn't know that, strategic ninjas like Hashirama/Tobirama/Minato would all figure out that his Kamui wouldn't last long as Sasuke did with Danzo's Izanagi.

You'd have to react to Kamui to be able to counter it, and Minato, the fastest person alive at one point, struggled with just a single Kamui being used by a 14 year old. Double Kamui in the hands of a more experienced user spells doom for anyone that does not possess BM Minato / Naruto / Sasuke level speed.

Kakashi can't hit or react to Minato's and Tobirama's speed so he would burn himself out trying to hit them and failing since it doesn't matter if you could see their moves, if your body can't react then it's useless as Lee told Sasuke in part 1.

Of course Kakashi can react to Tobirama's and Minato's speed; hell, pre-power up Kakashi reacted in tandem with BM Minato to Black Zetsu. If we're talking pure movement speed, Kakashi is probably faster than Tobirama and Minato; he outright blitzed Kaguya via frontal attack in the current chapter, and she failed to react. He was also reacting to Kaguya's bones being launched from the portals. He mentally reacted to Juubi Madara charging at him.

Kakashi's reflexes are among the best in the manga.

Sasuke MS couldn't keep up with A speed and Sasuke speed and MS power are stronger than Kakashi who can't use the Sharingan as a Uchiha as stated by Itachi.

Sasuke physically reacted to V1 Raikage and mentally reacted to V2 Raikage via Susano'o / Amaterasu shield. He never failed to react to the Raikage, and neither would MS Kakashi, let alone current Rikudo empowered Kakashi.

Hashirama power took on PS+full Kurama, Kakashi PS is not close as powerful. Hashirama wood jutsus absorb chakra and can release pollen that renders you unconscious.

Kakashi would never try fighting Hashirama in a power-struggle. He will utilize Kamui intangibility and warping to attack rather than trying to outgun him. Kakashi can escape the pollen via intangibility.

 

[EZQ]

Nope. Hashirama, Madara, Tobirama, Minato, Naruto, and Sasuke still take him down. Reread the chapter where Gai was fighting Madara, Kakashi stated that his MS was going blind and needs to be very close to use his Kamui and Kakashi lacks the stamina to last in a fight long. He can only stay intangible for 5 mins and Kakashi doesn't know that, strategic ninjas like Hashirama/Tobirama/Minato would all figure out that his Kamui wouldn't last long as Sasuke did with Danzo's Izanagi. Stamina is what takes Kakashi down the most then him going blind in at least his left eye which prevent him from sniping anyone.

Kakashi can't hit or react to Minato's and Tobirama's speed so he would burn himself out trying to hit them and failing since it doesn't matter if you could see their moves, if your body can't react then it's useless as Lee told Sasuke in part 1. Sasuke MS couldn't keep up with A speed and Sasuke speed and MS power are stronger than Kakashi who can't use the Sharingan as a Uchiha as stated by Itachi. Hashirama power took on PS+full Kurama, Kakashi PS is not close as powerful. Hashirama wood jutsus absorb chakra and can release pollen that renders you unconscious.

Naruto and Sasuke can attack from a distance until Kakashi burn out. Naruto's speed is too fast for Kakashi to actually hit him plus his clones makes it even harder; full Bijuu RS tbb will destroy PS and if Naruto attacks keep up for 5 mins then Kakashi is KO. Naruto also have the Bijuus to aid him in strategies. If Kakashi hits a clone with his Kamui shuriken then Kakashi can't go intangible without dying.

You are forgetting a couple of things:

-Kakashi awakened his MS again, he is no blind anymore, this is showed on the last chapter when he uses Kamui on Kaguya's portal from a far distance.

-Kakashi has now both eyes, wich means the warping speed is the double.

-Kakashi can get close enough to snipe with no difficulty, since his PS can tank anything at least for a few seconds (what is taked to kamui snipe)

* So, Kakashi beats Hashirama, via kamui snipe. If Hashirma tries to go SM, bam* he is suddenly on the other dimension. If Hashirama tries to make wood diversions, Kamui shurikens at the diversions and then warps Hashirama. Any atack Hashirama makes won't touch kakashi.
Kakashi beats Tobirama, he's new speed feats and reaction speed feats showing he can keep up with kaguya are proof that he wouldn't have a lot of troubles with Tobirama. Also, None of Tobirama's atacks can hurt Kakashi either.
Kakashi vs BM minato is a hard one, i give this to Kakashi anyways for the same reasons that he beats tobirama... Minato can't touch Kakashi.
About hiruzen, Kakashi rapes him, the same with Tsunade.

When did i say Kakashi beats naruto or sasuke?

 

[24farone]

Kakashi beats the kage
Prolly not at once and minato and hashirama would definitely give him a tough time
But as we can see kakashis susanoo wields weapons that warps you into kamuis dimension minato can counter those weapons with his speed so this honestly is tough because minato has already proven to counter the intangible part of kamui is like to see how he does against it together hashirama is just boss I put money for a good fight maybe win