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Hello guys, I know that most of you have enough of Hiruzen's threads as we have still almost two complete weeks ahead before new release of chapter will come. We can only endure these fanboys threads.. especially claiming that Hiruzen can do KKG, KKT for example: "Hiruzen can use Sussano" is just cheap joke and laughable at the best. I sincerely appologize for bringing this gentle and over-used stuff about Prime Hiruzen character, as the most of people have already enough hearing or reading about him... and yet his hype foreshadows that more will come undoubtedly. I will try to keep it as short as it is possible... so let's move on as I display and explain in details my theory about "Prime Hiruzen".
SPECIAL ABILITIES : KKG, KKT, Jinchurki, Tailed beasts, Sage mode, Stolen or implanted powers, 'Special linage' etc.
As you can see above Hiruzen only lack 5 points at categories in Databook which can be affected by age as they are physical traits/abilities which are based on how good is your body at differents tasks. These categories are: Strength, Speed and Stamina.
Now, let's take a look at what the manga states or shows about difference between Prime Hiruzen and Old Hiruzen, here I go:
Stamina part:
^^ Even Anbu knows that Hiruzen was utilizing shadow clones in his fighting style... which could be any of the best reasons why Hiruzen was unable to use other Hidden leaves techniques.
Hiruzen had to know that without clone he can use only one technique at time... so it would be ineffective and only loss of chakra of which he could NOT let himself against Dead moving corpse with rechargable amount of chakra.
Strength part:
^^ Hiruzen is surprised to finds Moneky King Enma transformed into adamantine staff to be such heavy which clearly shows drop in Hiruzen's Strength.
Speed part:
Sadly I found nothing about drop on Hiruzen's speed part ;/ However from logical point of view agging process make our bodies weaker so we can NOT move as fast as young... so it could be hint.
^^ Hiruzen speaks it himself: "I must do something about the souls that are trapped by Edo tensei OR IT IS NOT USE" , "I will have to use Youndaime Technique..., there is no other way"
Hiruzen clearly shows to us readers that any other way or attack used to harm Orochimaru would have no use as Edo Tensei would still work.
^^ Here he further confirms this statement as he thinks about Killing Orochimaru not stop Edo Tensei. It proves that Hiruzen was able to kill Orochimaru or at least has chance but he know it would not affect Edo tensei which was key factor in this battle.
^^ Even Orochimaru notices that Hiruzen is going to kill himself anyway by using techniques as they put GREAT STRAIN on his old body. "I have never seen you strain so much " - Orochimaru's quote
^^ Hiruzen's heroic and remarkable actions led Hiruzen closer and closer to death as each technique used by Hiruzen put more and more strain on his body. Using Shadow clones technique is his old age speed up his dying moment.
^^ After performing Reaper death seal Hiruzen knew perfectly that he is gonna die anyway and he can not move until Shinigami begin the process. Hiruzen didn't dodged attacks in darkness because he could not until process begin and he not countered because he knows that using anything will only speed up his death and he wanted so much to end Orochimaru and correct his mistake.
^^ Orochimaru even ask Hiruzen "why didn't you avoid it ?" Hiruzen shortly replies that "I will die anyway".
OF COURSE I AM NOT STATING OROCHIMARU CAN NOT WIN... because he was toying with Hiruzen as he was not participating in the battle only used Edo Tensei but from opposite point of view Hiruzen was restricted and held back too... because Edo Tensei requires specific way to get rid of them and besides he was too old and last the reason he had to first cancel Edo Tensei then face Orochimaru.
^^ Very powerfull Earth release and Fire release techniques just one after another in short amount of time, also these both techniques are most likely S rank class. Hiruzen is able to use Shadow clones technique and looks like he posses great mastery in using it.
^^ Great weapon's mastery, Great combat skills almost unmatched. Amazing fighting skills and ability to block attack while standing in place.
^^ Even Orochimaru knows that once you go in close combat with Hiruzen... you getting death wish.
^^ The proffesor monicker and "Knowing and being able to use all the jutsu that exists in Konoha"- quote
^^ Of course manga proved to us that Hiruzen has all five affinities which is great feat by itself.
However some of people mindlessly assume that it means literally as complete truth. Of course every hype or statement keep a bit of truth... so essence of this statement is true but hype exeggarating it is not.
Can Hiruzen perform KKG techniques ?
^^ MANGA DISAGREE
NO KKG: means NO Doujutsu related techniques, No KKG nature element techniques, NO KKG techniques !
Can Hiruzen perform KKT technique ?
^^ MANGA DISAGREE
Can Hiruzen use any Jinchurki moves or techniques using special summonings ?
Of course No... as Hiruzen has never had Tailed beast in himself sealed or he can not summon dog to use Inzuka clan techniques involving dogs... without dogs YES but with NOT.
Can Hiruzen use Sage mode ?
^^ only three places are known allowing to use Sage mode...and none of them is related to monkeys in any way.
Can Hiruzen use Rasengan or Chidori ?
^^ No unless he learn them at first glance. Reason: Rasengan and Chidori were created when Hiruzen was past his Prime age.
Can Hiruzen use FTG ?
^^ Most likely not...as it not fit his style or he didn't have time for that... but this is debatable.
Can Hiruzen use Hidden secret clan techniques ?
The answer: YES, HE CAN
Most likely Hiruzen can also merge with Monkey King Enma entering MONKEY MODE !
CONCLUSION: Hiruzen can use every Konoha techniques including Hidden secret clan techniques EXCEPT KKG, KKT, Jinchurki moves, Bijuu moves, Sage mode moves, Techniques needing special summoning
^^ Monicker "God of Shinobi" shared by Sarutobi along with Rikudou Sennin and Hashirama Senjuu. People wrongly assume that having the same tittle means that they will have same abilities. I mean if Hashirama and Rikudou have mountain busters techniques or above then Hiruzen has to have them too.
WRONG ! The God of shinobi monicker given to Hiruzen express how good he is with basic abilites or no hax techniques and HOW Can he bring basic techniques to GODLY LEVEL NEVER SEEN ABOVE or how can use AMAZING COMBINATION PUTTING COMBINED ATTACKS at Godly level.
Thanks for reading guys ! (Yes, I am finally done with it. I hope it clear some doubts and throw better light at Hiruzen in his prime age and how to look at him.)
Please share your thoughts
SPECIAL ABILITIES : KKG, KKT, Jinchurki, Tailed beasts, Sage mode, Stolen or implanted powers, 'Special linage' etc.
Databook's stats - Possibility of getting full 40 points reaching status of "perfectly-rounded" shinobi
| Databook | Ninjutsu | Taijutsu | Genjutsu | Intelligence | Strength | Speed | Stamina | Handseals | Total |
| First | 5 | 5 | 5 | 5 | 3 | 3 | 3 | 5 | 34 |
| Second | 5 | 5 | 5 | 5 | 3 | 3 | 3 | 5 | 34 |
As you can see above Hiruzen only lack 5 points at categories in Databook which can be affected by age as they are physical traits/abilities which are based on how good is your body at differents tasks. These categories are: Strength, Speed and Stamina.
Now, let's take a look at what the manga states or shows about difference between Prime Hiruzen and Old Hiruzen, here I go:
Stamina part:
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^^ Even Anbu knows that Hiruzen was utilizing shadow clones in his fighting style... which could be any of the best reasons why Hiruzen was unable to use other Hidden leaves techniques.
Hiruzen had to know that without clone he can use only one technique at time... so it would be ineffective and only loss of chakra of which he could NOT let himself against Dead moving corpse with rechargable amount of chakra.
Strength part:
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^^ Hiruzen is surprised to finds Moneky King Enma transformed into adamantine staff to be such heavy which clearly shows drop in Hiruzen's Strength.
Speed part:
Sadly I found nothing about drop on Hiruzen's speed part ;/ However from logical point of view agging process make our bodies weaker so we can NOT move as fast as young... so it could be hint.
Edo Tensei technique - Special factor in Hiruzen vs Orochimaru's battle
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^^ Hiruzen speaks it himself: "I must do something about the souls that are trapped by Edo tensei OR IT IS NOT USE" , "I will have to use Youndaime Technique..., there is no other way"
Hiruzen clearly shows to us readers that any other way or attack used to harm Orochimaru would have no use as Edo Tensei would still work.
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^^ Here he further confirms this statement as he thinks about Killing Orochimaru not stop Edo Tensei. It proves that Hiruzen was able to kill Orochimaru or at least has chance but he know it would not affect Edo tensei which was key factor in this battle.
Orochimaru did NOT beat Hiruzen or NOT BRING him any close to danger of death state
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^^ Even Orochimaru notices that Hiruzen is going to kill himself anyway by using techniques as they put GREAT STRAIN on his old body. "I have never seen you strain so much " - Orochimaru's quote
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^^ Hiruzen's heroic and remarkable actions led Hiruzen closer and closer to death as each technique used by Hiruzen put more and more strain on his body. Using Shadow clones technique is his old age speed up his dying moment.
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^^ After performing Reaper death seal Hiruzen knew perfectly that he is gonna die anyway and he can not move until Shinigami begin the process. Hiruzen didn't dodged attacks in darkness because he could not until process begin and he not countered because he knows that using anything will only speed up his death and he wanted so much to end Orochimaru and correct his mistake.
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^^ Orochimaru even ask Hiruzen "why didn't you avoid it ?" Hiruzen shortly replies that "I will die anyway".
OF COURSE I AM NOT STATING OROCHIMARU CAN NOT WIN... because he was toying with Hiruzen as he was not participating in the battle only used Edo Tensei but from opposite point of view Hiruzen was restricted and held back too... because Edo Tensei requires specific way to get rid of them and besides he was too old and last the reason he had to first cancel Edo Tensei then face Orochimaru.
Hiruzen - The great expert of Taijutsu and Ninjutsu, Bukijutsu and probably Genjutsu also(5 points in Databook in Genjutsu category)
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^^ Very powerfull Earth release and Fire release techniques just one after another in short amount of time, also these both techniques are most likely S rank class. Hiruzen is able to use Shadow clones technique and looks like he posses great mastery in using it.
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^^ Great weapon's mastery, Great combat skills almost unmatched. Amazing fighting skills and ability to block attack while standing in place.
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^^ Even Orochimaru knows that once you go in close combat with Hiruzen... you getting death wish.
The God of shinobi, The Proffesor monickers/tittles - Explanation
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^^ The proffesor monicker and "Knowing and being able to use all the jutsu that exists in Konoha"- quote
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^^ Of course manga proved to us that Hiruzen has all five affinities which is great feat by itself.
However some of people mindlessly assume that it means literally as complete truth. Of course every hype or statement keep a bit of truth... so essence of this statement is true but hype exeggarating it is not.
Can Hiruzen perform KKG techniques ?
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^^ MANGA DISAGREE
NO KKG: means NO Doujutsu related techniques, No KKG nature element techniques, NO KKG techniques !
Can Hiruzen perform KKT technique ?
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^^ MANGA DISAGREE
Can Hiruzen use any Jinchurki moves or techniques using special summonings ?
Of course No... as Hiruzen has never had Tailed beast in himself sealed or he can not summon dog to use Inzuka clan techniques involving dogs... without dogs YES but with NOT.
Can Hiruzen use Sage mode ?
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^^ only three places are known allowing to use Sage mode...and none of them is related to monkeys in any way.
Can Hiruzen use Rasengan or Chidori ?
^^ No unless he learn them at first glance. Reason: Rasengan and Chidori were created when Hiruzen was past his Prime age.
Can Hiruzen use FTG ?
^^ Most likely not...as it not fit his style or he didn't have time for that... but this is debatable.
Can Hiruzen use Hidden secret clan techniques ?
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The answer: YES, HE CAN
Most likely Hiruzen can also merge with Monkey King Enma entering MONKEY MODE !
CONCLUSION: Hiruzen can use every Konoha techniques including Hidden secret clan techniques EXCEPT KKG, KKT, Jinchurki moves, Bijuu moves, Sage mode moves, Techniques needing special summoning
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^^ Monicker "God of Shinobi" shared by Sarutobi along with Rikudou Sennin and Hashirama Senjuu. People wrongly assume that having the same tittle means that they will have same abilities. I mean if Hashirama and Rikudou have mountain busters techniques or above then Hiruzen has to have them too.
WRONG ! The God of shinobi monicker given to Hiruzen express how good he is with basic abilites or no hax techniques and HOW Can he bring basic techniques to GODLY LEVEL NEVER SEEN ABOVE or how can use AMAZING COMBINATION PUTTING COMBINED ATTACKS at Godly level.
Extent of Prime Hiruzen powers and difference between Old Hiruzen and Prime Hiruzen.
Prime Hiruzen is term used reffering to Hiruzen in his Prime age when he possesed big amount of chakra, great physcial strength and most likely he was much faster then his Old age. Mastery over rest of Databook categories did NOT change, however having small stamina make Old Hiruzen UNABLE TO BRING OUT HIS FULL POTENTIAL, also fighting against Edo Tensei played key role here.
Prime Hiruzen's fighting style was mainly focused at using Shadow clones as Orochimaru noticed and noted in battle against Hiruzen. His Might depended most likely on using many shadow clones being able to use almost all Konoha techniques with some expections allowing him to pull out GODLY and very powerfull combination of attacks. Having such big amount of abilities Prime Hiruzen was able to counter almost any technique expect haxxed/blessed moves which makes him so strong and dangerous in other's People eyes.
Prime's Hiruzen taijutsu was even better then in his Old state, idk about Genjutsu as it is hard to say and Ninjutsu I already stated that he was much better.
Prime Hiruzen's fighting style was mainly focused at using Shadow clones as Orochimaru noticed and noted in battle against Hiruzen. His Might depended most likely on using many shadow clones being able to use almost all Konoha techniques with some expections allowing him to pull out GODLY and very powerfull combination of attacks. Having such big amount of abilities Prime Hiruzen was able to counter almost any technique expect haxxed/blessed moves which makes him so strong and dangerous in other's People eyes.
Prime's Hiruzen taijutsu was even better then in his Old state, idk about Genjutsu as it is hard to say and Ninjutsu I already stated that he was much better.
SUMMARY :
- Prime Hiruzen is very likely to get all 40 points(which is max in databook) being only perfectly-rounded shinobi in entire Manga. Even if some get it too, then at least he will be only one without SPECIAL ABILITIES who reach such accomplishment
- Old Hiruzen lost to Orochimaru but Orochimaru didn't beat him(he could but was toying with him)
- The Battle of Orochimaru against Hiruzen can not meassure full potential of either shinobi as Orochimaru was playing while using Edo to do everything for him while Hiruzen was forced to used special mean to get rid of Edo Tensei as other means would bring nothing.
- The main difference and hindrance for Old Hiruzen in compare to Prime Hiruzen was much smaller stamina which NOT ALLOWED him to use shadow clones NEEDED TO PERFORM ALL VAST AMOUNT OF Techniques Hiruzen know
- Prime Hiruzen's fighting style mainly focuses on using Shadow clones techniques at massive scale which each clone being able to use different techniques which together work as deadly combination.
- Prime Hiruzen's taijutsu, ninjutsu and bukijutsu was top notch as even Old Hiruzen's performance was great
- Prime Hiruzen is same as Old Hiruzen but with bigger amount of chakra, better speed and much greater physical strength
- Tittle of Proffesor given to Hiruzen reffered to being able to use any Konoha techniques before Hiruzen reached his Prime age EXCEPT KKG, KKT, Jinchurki moves, Sussano(Hiruzen has never had MS), Sage mode, Techniques need Special Summoning
- Monicker "God of shinobi" does not mean that Hiruzen can use mountain buster techniques, no Kishi wanted to express Hiruzen uniqual greatness in other way. By using and mastering basic skills/abilities to Godly level and being able to use them in different awesome and deadly combinations is tastament of Prime Hiruzen's power.
Thanks for reading guys ! (Yes, I am finally done with it. I hope it clear some doubts and throw better light at Hiruzen in his prime age and how to look at him.)
Please share your thoughts
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