Prime Hiruzen takes a Gauntlet

[Lariatoo]

Location: Open Field
Distance: 20 meters
Intel: Manga

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Now, for some common grounds:


By "Prime Hiruzen", I mean that the Third will have:

Theoretic info on all of Konoha's techniques
Ability to perform any non clan related ninjutsu from Konoha that does not require a kekkei genkai
This means that he cannot do jutsus like Flying Thunder God (Fuuinjutsu), Eight Gates (Taijutsu), Mokujin (Kekkei Genkai) or Susanoo (Dojutsu), but can do jutsus like Raikiri, Rasengan, Raiton Bunshins, etc.

Tsunade's chakra and stamina reserves

Can summon up to ten Kage bunshin simultaneously.


The Gauntlet:

1. Tsunade
2. Deidara
3. Danzo (KA restricted)
4. Sasori (starts with Third Kazekage out)
5. Kakuzu
6. War Arc Kakashi
7. Oonoki
8. Gengetsu
9. Third Raikage
10. War Arc Gaara
11. Hoshikage Kisame
12. Mū
13. Tobirama (with one Genin level Edo Tensei)

 

[KidGamer65]

Hiruzen should lose to Gaara, Gengetsu, Kisame, Tobirama, and maybe Mu.

 

[Milliana]

I agree. ^^

 

[RustledJimmies]

Oi, KG, you got a fan^

OT: Probably stops at Gengetsu.

 

[super yang]

prime hiruzen clears w/ just the 4 to 5 bunshins he is already capable of.

Hoshigaki* Kisame is the correct spelling...

 

[EZQ]

1. Tsunade
2. Deidara
3. Danzo (KA restricted)
4. Sasori (starts with Third Kazekage out)
5. Kakuzu
6. War Arc Kakashi (if kamui is not restricted)
7. Oonoki
8. Gengetsu
9. Third Raikage
11. Hoshikage Kisame
12. Mū
13. Tobirama (with one Genin level Edo Tensei)

He loses to the bold ones

 

[EZQ]

1. Tsunade
2. Deidara
3. Danzo (KA restricted)
4. Sasori (starts with Third Kazekage out)
5. Kakuzu
6. War Arc Kakashi (if kamui is not restricted)
7. Oonoki
8. Gengetsu
9. Third Raikage
11. Hoshikage Kisame
12. Mū
13. Tobirama (with one Genin level Edo Tensei)

He loses to the bold ones

EDIT: Deidara stands a chance with c4 if there's no knowledge

EDIT 2: Didn't see gaara. He beats him too.

EDIT 3: Sandaime raikage could possibly tank anything hiruzen has.

Lol the more i look the list the more i realize Hiruzen loses

 

[KingHashirama]

Loses to Tobirama at the end.

 

[EZQ]

Hiruzen should lose to Gaara, Gengetsu, Kisame, Tobirama, and maybe Mu.

I see no counter to Kakashi's kamui, and i don't see him beating the 3rd raikage with those power ups.

 

[KidGamer65]

I see no counter to Kakashi's kamui, and i don't see him beating the 3rd raikage with those power ups.

Lmao, knew I was forgetting some people.

 

[Draegod]

Why cant he use FTG and 8 gates again when the databook states otherwise?

OT; he Clears if all characters are in character and no bs "Kamui GG"

 

[KCN]

Why cant he use FTG and 8 gates again when the databook states otherwise?

OT; he Clears if all characters are in character and no bs "Kamui GG"

Lol, that's proven false by the manga. If he could use FTG Minato wouldn't have had to teleport him during the war multiple times. No implications he can use it at all.

 

[Draegod]

Lol, that's proven false by the manga. If he could use FTG Minato wouldn't have had to teleport him during the war multiple times. No implications he can use it at all.

He doesn't have pre prepped Kunais and seals all over the world. And again, he hasn't shown even 20% of the jutsu he is stated by manga to have. Hiruzen who is smarter then Minatao, older, and was around when the ninja (2nd) invinted it! He not only was LITERALLY TAUGHT BY THE 2ND he even went as far as to learn Minato's Ace move from never ever ever using it (since it is a one time use). You literally have zero proof to think he can't use it just because you haven't seen it and all his other jutsu. It's databook and manga fact off hype he has it. Period.

 

[Black Mamba]

1. Tsunade
2. Deidara
3. Danzo (KA restricted)
4. Sasori (starts with Third Kazekage out)
5. Kakuzu
6. War Arc Kakashi
7. Oonoki
8. Gengetsu
9. Third Raikage
10. War Arc Gaara
11. Hoshikage Kisame
12. Mū
13. Tobirama (with one Genin level Edo Tensei)

Bold wins and maybe Oonoki

 

[Zexion~]

Loses to Deidara or Kisame.

 

[Lariatoo]

Why cant he use FTG and 8 gates again when the databook states otherwise?

OT; he Clears if all characters are in character and no bs "Kamui GG"

Thank you!

 

[KCN]

He doesn't have pre prepped Kunais and seals all over the world. And again, he hasn't shown even 20% of the jutsu he is stated by manga to have. Hiruzen who is smarter then Minatao, older, and was around when the ninja (2nd) invinted it! He not only was LITERALLY TAUGHT BY THE 2ND he even went as far as to learn Minato's Ace move from never ever ever using it (since it is a one time use). You literally have zero proof to think he can't use it just because you haven't seen it and all his other jutsu. It's databook and manga fact off hype he has it. Period.

I can show you 20 different databook entries that are BS, but knowing you you'll never admit you're anyways so there's no point. Hiruzen not having pre marked and prepped Kunai around the world is irrelevant. Did Tobirama have pre prepped Kunai and seals around the world? No. All Hiraishin takes is a simple touch of the palm in order to create a seal and Hiruzen's never shown or even been implied to be able to do so. Minato and Tobirama also allowed each other to establish a link in order for them to use each other's seals. Surely they could've done the same with "God of Shinobi" Hiruzen. allowing him to freely teleport at will? Come on dude, calling something a "manga fact" despite it not being shown in the manga is quite stupid.

Him being trained by Tobirama means nothing when you consider the fact that Danzo, along with Kagami and some random Akimichi was too. Do they know FTG as well? Hiruzen being able to use RDS doesn't mean he can use FTG. It simply means he can use RDS. Manga fact, unlike him being able to use FTG.

 

[Draegod]

I can show you 20 different databook entries that are BS, but knowing you you'll never admit you're anyways so there's no point. Hiruzen not having pre marked and prepped Kunai around the world is irrelevant. Did Tobirama have pre prepped Kunai and seals around the world? No. All Hiraishin takes is a simple touch of the palm in order to create a seal and Hiruzen's never shown or even been implied to be able to do so. Minato and Tobirama also allowed each other to establish a link in order for them to use each other's seals. Surely they could've done the same with "God of Shinobi" Hiruzen. allowing him to freely teleport at will? Come on dude, calling something a "manga fact" despite it not being shown in the manga is quite stupid.

Him being trained by Tobirama means nothing when you consider the fact that Danzo, along with Kagami and some random Akimichi was too. Do they know FTG as well? Hiruzen being able to use RDS doesn't mean he can use FTG. It simply means he can use RDS. Manga fact, unlike him being able to use FTG.

Soooo Minato can teach his Fodder Students FTG but Tobirama cannot teach some one who had more potential then him self a Simple formula??? Minato Taught Hiruzen RDS but wouldn't or rather Hiruzen wouldn't know how to do FTG despite having the only two users info at his disposal? LMAo Really?

Tobirama had plenty of chances to use FTG yet didnt until JUubito formed. Did that mean he couldn't up to that point despite being stated to use FTG 150 chapters prior? Not only have less powerful, smarter and less credible ninjas learned FTg, Hiruzen literally has documentation on all Konaha Jutsu's (manga fact) and seen Minato grow up, was trained by tobirama.

Now whether he has shown it or not means nothing since you think he can use all other konoha jutsu despite never shown used them; be consistent! It's either you think he can use konaha jutsu that aren't KKG, or you you think he can only use the 10/15 jutsu he has shown in the manga despite the manga and databook stating otherwise. You can't choose to believe what you wanna believe based on your personal benefit. Simple.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

I dont know why people think he loses to these guys. They probably dont know how broken he will be, mixing up Konoha jutsus.

He clears. The only one I am iffy about is dealing with Muu's invisibility and facing his Mentor with ET.

 

[KCN]

Soooo Minato can teach his Fodder Students FTG but Tobirama cannot teach some one who had more potential then him self a Simple formula??? Minato Taught Hiruzen RDS but wouldn't or rather Hiruzen wouldn't know how to do FTG despite having the only two users info at his disposal? LMAo Really?

Tobirama had plenty of chances to use FTG yet didnt until JUubito formed. Did that mean he couldn't up to that point despite being stated to use FTG 150 chapters prior? Not only have less powerful, smarter and less credible ninjas learned FTg, Hiruzen literally has documentation on all Konaha Jutsu's (manga fact) and seen Minato grow up, was trained by tobirama.

Now whether he has shown it or not means nothing since you think he can use all other konoha jutsu despite never shown used them; be consistent! It's either you think he can use konaha jutsu that aren't KKG, or you you think he can only use the 10/15 jutsu he has shown in the manga despite the manga and databook stating otherwise. You can't choose to believe what you wanna believe based on your personal benefit. Simple.

First of all, as the bodyguards of the Hokage Minato chose to teach it to them in case of an emergency. That's a specific scenario, not something you attribute to Hiruzen. Secondly, it took all 3 of them combined to use it, so again, they weren't taught in the traditional sense. And now I hit you with some guessing games since you like to play it as well. Prove to me with MANGA Kushina never taught Hiruzen RDS. You can't, and thus everything on your part becomes conjecture.

Smh... what? You're talking about Tobirama like he isn't the creator of the jutsu, and unlike your buddy Hiruzen he's been shown to use it... repeatedly.

No evidence.