Prime Hiruzen takes a Gauntlet

[KingHashirama]

What if they were all ill or impaired at the time of this announcement and people simply ran with the belief like they believed Hashirama to be a myth? I kinda see why you're respected and feared, you are really foolish.

On topic: Prime hiruzen doesn't exist and even if he's allowed to exist his feats go as far as old hiruzen. Just as much as prime Chiyo doesn't exist. I agree with Chikara, he stops at Deidara because he doesn't have enough feats to counter everything Deidara has to offer.

1 issue, nobody in Hashirama's time believed Hashirama to be a myth. People after Hashirama's generation believed Hashirama's powers were myth, not Hashirama Senju himself. No clue why you calling me the foolish one when you don't have your information correct.


Prime Hiruzen does exist, he taught the Sanin. Him not having any combat feats is a different thing. Nontheless he was the Shinobi no Kami, hence the strongest of his time , which includes jabronis like 3rd Kazekage, 3rd Raikage and etc.

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Lmao, i'm the fanboy? Sure boy... Tsunade > Itachi after all.

@bold: This shows your ignorance on its fullest. Feats are even more cannon than portrayal and hype, Amaterasu should be the strongest ninjutsu if we go by hype, lol.

3rd raikage is bijuu level, he stalemated the Hachibi, Hiruzen is a baby compared to the 3rd Raikage.

Me claiming Tsunade > Itachi, due to a certain belief, doesn't make me a fanboy, because i'm not on the Itachi side. Just means I have a different opinion. You trying to go against CANON, because your constant love for the raikages is so high.. does mean you are fanboying.


Dude stalemated Hachibi cute.. because the dude couldn't seal it way. Now did we see this in the manga? no.. it was told by Hachibi and the other dude.. But you take that as a "feat".. yet you deny Hiruzen being the strongest of his time?


"Hiruzen is a baby compared to the 3rd Raikage".. idiot read the manga . Your fan-fiction bullshit is going against the manga. Hiruzen was the God of Shinobi. Whether you wanna admit it or not.. He was laying the smackdown on the 3rd Raikage, and was above every other Kage during his time.

 

[Volor]

1 issue, nobody in Hashirama's time believed Hashirama to be a myth. People after Hashirama's generation believed Hashirama's powers were myth, not Hashirama Senju himself. No clue why you calling me the foolish one when you don't have your information correct.


Prime Hiruzen does exist, he taught the Sanin. Him not having any combat feats is a different thing. Nontheless he was the Shinobi no Kami, hence the strongest of his time , which includes jabronis like 3rd Kazekage, 3rd Raikage and etc.

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lol
Read properly, I never said people in Hashirama's time.

Understand properly, My point wasn't weather Hashirama or power was a myth but that a myth can become the general belief and be spread around as truth.

Reason properly, How do you know that was Hiruzens prime state or the time when he was in his prime? youre making it all up beacuse there's no information that says """Hiruzen was in his prime between x-x years""". So you could be wrong and making a referrencing a non-prime hiruzen as prime-Hruzen.

 

[EZQ]

Lol if your simple minded then yea he stands no chance. But if you realize that he has ino clans ability to take control over you no diff you would see it's as easy as pie! Will go into details considering I have free time if you would like?

:l

First of all, he can't make that jutsu, its blood related, only Yamanakas can do it. Its a secret jutsu of the clan, even if its not kekkei genkai it doesn't mean Hiruzen can perform it, he can't make secret techniques of each clan if he is not a part of them. Hiruzen can't use Choji's expansion jutsu, nor Kiba's doggy jutsu, nor Shikamaru's shadow jutsu, etc...

Even if he could make them, what makes you think he's good at using it? If he could master it to "take control over the opponent no diff" he would have done it. If he is able to do it, he's not an expert, so this would happen:

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Ino has been using that jutsu for a long time and it didn't even work properly, that jutsu is sh*t. Against kage level oponents, that kind of jutsu does not work properly, and there's no reason to think Hiruzen can perform that jutsu even better than a Yamanaka.

So

1- Hiruzen can't perform secret clan's jutsus.
2- Even if he could, there's no reason to believe he is an expert with them, thus it wouldn't work in someone on bijuu tiers.

 

[EZQ]

"Hiruzen is a baby compared to the 3rd Raikage".. idiot read the manga . Your fan-fiction bullshit is going against the manga. Hiruzen was the God of Shinobi. Whether you wanna admit it or not.. He was laying the smackdown on the 3rd Raikage, and was above every other Kage during his time.

Lmao, okay, tired of your BS. Lets make it an official debate. 3rd Raikage vs Hiruzen, you can add Hiruzen all his hype power ups you want. Lets just do it.

(And i don't even like the raikages, i just this avatar looked Badass)

PD: Itachi >>> Tsunade and its CANNON. Because feats are cannon and by feats Itachi shits on tsunade.

 

[KingHashirama]

Lmao, okay, tired of your BS. Lets make it an official debate. 3rd Raikage vs Hiruzen, you can add Hiruzen all his hype power ups you want. Lets just do it.

(And i don't even like the raikages, i just this avatar looked Badass)

PD: Itachi >>> Tsunade and its CANNON. Because feats are cannon and by feats Itachi shits on tsunade.

Moron you can't debate it. This a gauntlet based on the manga.

"Feats are cannon".. thank you for telling me genius. Only issue is feats are only shown against certain people. You won't know how Tsunade deals with Amaterasu or genjutsu, unless you put her into that scenario. But this is too hard for morons like your to comprehend. You can make an itachi vs Tsunade thread and i'll be happy to defend Tsunade with the small amount of on-screen feats she has.. since thats the only reason you are going to stand a chance with Itachi is if the opponent has less combat feats or just plain out inferior in power.


Cannon : Hiruzen was the God of Shinobi

Cannon : 3rd Raikage existed during Hiruzen's God of Shinobi reign

Cannon: Hiruzen was stronger than the 3rd Raikage


Morons like you don't even understand the difference between a hype and a feat. For someone to attain the title of a "God of Shinobi", something only 3 ninja in the entire Ninja history have done, they must be the strongest alive and immensily powerful. We have never seen Hiruzen in his prime, nontheless he has the accomplishment of being powerful enough to attain the title of God of Shinobi, something your precious 3rd Raikage failed at getting, despite your wank on "Bijuu tier".. which alot of characters besides him are as well.


PS: Kishimoto, will never make Itachi >>> Tsunade, as hes not dumb like some fans who think 3-tomoe Itachi can low-diff Tsunade.

 

[Draegod]

:l

First of all, he can't make that jutsu, its blood related, only Yamanakas can do it. Its a secret jutsu of the clan, even if its not kekkei genkai it doesn't mean Hiruzen can perform it, he can't make secret techniques of each clan if he is not a part of them. Hiruzen can't use Choji's expansion jutsu, nor Kiba's doggy jutsu, nor Shikamaru's shadow jutsu, etc...

Even if he could make them, what makes you think he's good at using it? If he could master it to "take control over the opponent no diff" he would have done it. If he is able to do it, he's not an expert, so this would happen:

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Ino has been using that jutsu for a long time and it didn't even work properly, that jutsu is sh*t. Against kage level oponents, that kind of jutsu does not work properly, and there's no reason to think Hiruzen can perform that jutsu even better than a Yamanaka.

So

1- Hiruzen can't perform secret clan's jutsus.
2- Even if he could, there's no reason to believe he is an expert with them, thus it wouldn't work in someone on bijuu tiers.

1st off it isn't a KKG, 2nd Hiruzen for a fact is stated Twice to be alble to Use all Jutsu in Konoha including Hidden Clan jutsu (fact from kishi in the databook). That killed your post since you were ill informed on Facts.

Next you bring up the JUUBI breaking out of it yet was still controled even if only a second... Are you saying The 3rd is comparable to the Juubi? Then there is the fact Hiruzen is smarter then everyone in the leaf and does't half ass anything. He perfectly used Minato's RDS after never ever ever practicing it once! To think a Kage lv of his caliber wouldn't use a jutsu at it's full potential when its facts he used other jutsu's perfectly makes you look like you're reaching!

Prime Databook Hiruzen>>>>>>3rd Raikage!

 

[EZQ]

1st off it isn't a KKG, 2nd Hiruzen for a fact is stated Twice to be alble to Use all Jutsu in Konoha including Hidden Clan jutsu (fact from kishi in the databook). That killed your post since you were ill informed on Facts.

Next you bring up the JUUBI breaking out of it yet was still controled even if only a second... Are you saying The 3rd is comparable to the Juubi? Then there is the fact Hiruzen is smarter then everyone in the leaf and does't half ass anything. He perfectly used Minato's RDS after never ever ever practicing it once! To think a Kage lv of his caliber wouldn't use a jutsu at it's full potential when its facts he used other jutsu's perfectly makes you look like you're reaching!

Prime Databook Hiruzen>>>>>>3rd Raikage!

Kay, you said it yourself! Databook is the biggest shit Kishi has made in his entire life. If we go by databook, Amaterasu is as hot as the sun.

Your arguments died right there.

And ino was controlling Obito, not the juubi. Failure of post. Hiruzen can't use the secret clan's techniques.

And of course you can't practice RDS, if you do you die. Minato performed it too with no problem, does that mean he can master any technique? No.

 

[Draegod]

Kay, you said it yourself! Databook is the biggest shit Kishi has made in his entire life. If we go by databook, Amaterasu is as hot as the sun.

Your arguments died right there.

And ino was controlling Obito, not the juubi. Failure of post. Hiruzen can't use the secret clan's techniques.

And of course you can't practice RDS, if you do you die. Minato performed it too with no problem, does that mean he can master any technique? No.

You don't get it do you? Read the Original post! This thread isn't about what was shown in the manga (considering no ninja has ever shown there full aresenal ever), he stated non KKG and jutsu's like ftg etc. He never stated anything else, he is using a portion (he still is restricting him) of the databook Hiruzen.

You seem to be hella scared at the fact Databook Kishi Hiruzen would shit on Aye, is that why you are freaking out and ignoring databook and Manga hype? Clearly that is what this thread is about, not feats in manga Hiruzen. And i've never stated " Databook is the biggest shit Kishi has made in his entire life" don't know where you got that from. This thread is about Hype Hiruzen not old Hiruzen.

Databook specifically states he can use hidden clan techs yet you wanna still deny it? Did you think this thread was about old limited Hiruzen?

 

[PuppyDogGeneral]

Kay, you said it yourself! Databook is the biggest shit Kishi has made in his entire life. If we go by databook, Amaterasu is as hot as the sun.

You're comparing two totally different things.

The Databook claimed Amaterasu was as hot as the Sun; the manga showed that to be untrue therefore it classifies as nothing but hype however: The Databook and Manga both state and support that during his prime; Hiruzen was Strongest of the 5 Kage. It was never denounced, meaning, what "You" think doesn't change that. True we do not know:

- The state of the Kages at the time
- Hiruzen's potential at the time


But that doesn't give you the right to assume he was weaker than any of them at the time based on feats he performed as an old man. FACT is: As long as it's during his prime then at that point he was stronger than all other Kage's individually.

Databook specifically states he can use hidden clan techs yet you wanna still deny it? Did you think this thread was about old limited Hiruzen?

Babygurl, we gotta put some limit on that jutsu thing tho. After tobirama died, Hiruzen was around 18. This was a non-prime Hiruzen as he wouldn't have access to learn clan techniques at that time.
Tsunade, Jiraiya and Orochimaru became genin at age 6 andtThere's 18 years between them (51 in part 1) and Hiruzen (69 in part 1) Meaning Hiruzen was 24 when he started teaching them.

There's no way in 6 years that Hiruzen could have been hokage, done hokage duties (meetings, handle village affairs) have a wife to look after and a child and still had the time available to learn all of Konoha's jutsu.

 

[King Of Pop]

hiruzen hype threads are always lengthy

 

[Rιver]

Smh. .

 

[EZQ]

You don't get it do you? Read the Original post! This thread isn't about what was shown in the manga (considering no ninja has ever shown there full aresenal ever), he stated non KKG and jutsu's like ftg etc. He never stated anything else, he is using a portion (he still is restricting him) of the databook Hiruzen.

You seem to be hella scared at the fact Databook Kishi Hiruzen would shit on Aye, is that why you are freaking out and ignoring databook and Manga hype? Clearly that is what this thread is about, not feats in manga Hiruzen. And i've never stated " Databook is the biggest shit Kishi has made in his entire life" don't know where you got that from. This thread is about Hype Hiruzen not old Hiruzen.

Databook specifically states he can use hidden clan techs yet you wanna still deny it? Did you think this thread was about old limited Hiruzen?

Why do everyone think i like Ay? Jesus christ he's just my avy because that pic is badass.

@bold: If he can use them it doesn't mean he can use them properly, if he could, he would have made a good use of them in the war. Hiruzen can't perform them

 

[EZQ]

You're comparing two totally different things.

The Databook claimed Amaterasu was as hot as the Sun; the manga showed that to be untrue therefore it classifies as nothing but hype however: The Databook and Manga both state and support that during his prime; Hiruzen was Strongest of the 5 Kage. It was never denounced, meaning, what "You" think doesn't change that. True we do not know:

- The state of the Kages at the time
- Hiruzen's potential at the time


But that doesn't give you the right to assume he was weaker than any of them at the time based on feats he performed as an old man. FACT is: As long as it's during his prime then at that point he was stronger than all other Kage's individually.



Babygurl, we gotta put some limit on that jutsu thing tho. After tobirama died, Hiruzen was around 18. This was a non-prime Hiruzen as he wouldn't have access to learn clan techniques at that time.
Tsunade, Jiraiya and Orochimaru became genin at age 6 andtThere's 18 years between them (51 in part 1) and Hiruzen (69 in part 1) Meaning Hiruzen was 24 when he started teaching them.

There's no way in 6 years that Hiruzen could have been hokage, done hokage duties (meetings, handle village affairs) have a wife to look after and a child and still had the time available to learn all of Konoha's jutsu.

Hiruzen as an edo didn't have all the age problems he had as alive, so we could say Edo Hiruzen should be on the level of Alive Hiruzen. And Edo Hiruzen didn't show anything to say he's better than the sandaime raikage.

//thread closed.

 

[KingHashirama]

Hiruzen as an edo didn't have all the age problems he had as alive, so we could say Edo Hiruzen should be on the level of Alive Hiruzen. And Edo Hiruzen didn't show anything to say he's better than the sandaime raikage.

And what did Edo raikage show??