KCMNaruto
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Hello guys, after I read the lastest chapter I was clearly impressed and schocked with Hiruzen's new feat. I am not banwadagoner because I always believed in Hiruzen but always treated his hype rather as hiperbole containing truth. I saw many threads created talking about Hieuzen while some of them try to speculate about truth hidden behind his hype, sadly most of them are overrating him by exxegerating his power and arsenal of techniques. I am sorry if it us obvious fir some of you but I am going to clear doubts behind hype proving sime points while debunking others. Here I go:
1) We know that Hiruzen didnt have 5(max) points in category of databook which could and was affected by age. I mean strength, speed, stamina, so imo Prime Hiruzen would perfectly rounded shinobi in all categories giving him 40/40 possible points.
2) Until today hiruzen's hype as proffesor was questioned but the new feat making able to use all five basic elements make it much more believable and most likely truth. However sadly as it happens many times when new impressive feat is recieved by certain character then it is easily to exeggarate him/her too much. Now I will list techniques or abilities which theoretically Prime Hiruzen is capable of.
Prime Hiruzen CAN :
- use all five nature elements at godly level. (fire at Madara's level, water at kisame/Mei/Tobirama's level.)
basically every technique using elements could be used. Lightining shroud of raikage for example
- use Nara clan, Akamichi clan and Yamanaka clan abbilities
- use Inzuka clan abillities excluding need for summon.
- use all hyuuga clan abillities which DONT NEED byakugan to be used
- use other minor not kkg, kkt techniques
- use many more Monkey King Enma transformations
- use eight gates depending if they were created before or after his prime age
- possible fusion with monkey king enma as Kisame could with Samehada.
- Kurenai genjutsu and other types of genjutsu. Maybe bringer of darkness technique also.
Prime Hiruzen CAN NOT:
- use kkg, kkt or doujutsu involving techniques and abillities no matter in what form.
Amaterasu, tsukyiomi etc. Hiruzen can not use
Reason: need for special genetic trait
- use all techniques created by Kushina or Minato. Rasengan and most likely ftg which need special marks.
Reason: they were created after Hiruzen prime age
- use of sage mode or senjutsu in any form.
Reason: Three places where you can learn sm were specified and monkeys were not mentioned.
use sussano in any form
Reason: Hiruzen has never had ms so even eyeless sussano argument does not help him.
- use of Shino's clan techniques as all of them need for bugs to be involved.
Reason: lack of specific summon contract.
Well I can not find any more technique or ability which could require to be listed so I will stop at it. Clearly the main Hiruzen's strength lays in his Monkey King Enma summon and also possible combinations of usual techniques used in unique way at godly or very high level.
Now I will try to display where Prime Hiruzen could be put in top list of the strongest characters ever.
Top 10 list of the strongest shinobi ever(excluding: sosp, sosp sons, shisui, kakashi's Dad and of course Edo tensei technique)
1. Juubi Jin Obuto
2. Alive Rinnegan Madara
3. Alive SM Hashirama
4. BSM Naruto/ BM Minato
5. Sasuke
6. Nagato
7. DSM Kabuto
8. Itachi
9. Killer bee
10. Tobirama/ Prime Hiruzen
I know that some of you will disagree but this is my opinion. Prime Hiruzen would only loose to THE MOST POWERFULL kkg, kkt users also jinchurki or sm but Only in Kabuto's case. It makes him truly amazing and impresive as he lack special DNA nor he stole anything but still he keeps such high place .
Hiruzen's legend is hidden begind normall shinobi reaching peak of possible abillities and being able to use and combine them as godly atracks.
Thanks for reading !
Sorry for lack of summary and aby grammar or literral mistakes as I am on my phone.
Please share your thoughts
1) We know that Hiruzen didnt have 5(max) points in category of databook which could and was affected by age. I mean strength, speed, stamina, so imo Prime Hiruzen would perfectly rounded shinobi in all categories giving him 40/40 possible points.
2) Until today hiruzen's hype as proffesor was questioned but the new feat making able to use all five basic elements make it much more believable and most likely truth. However sadly as it happens many times when new impressive feat is recieved by certain character then it is easily to exeggarate him/her too much. Now I will list techniques or abilities which theoretically Prime Hiruzen is capable of.
Prime Hiruzen CAN :
- use all five nature elements at godly level. (fire at Madara's level, water at kisame/Mei/Tobirama's level.)
basically every technique using elements could be used. Lightining shroud of raikage for example
- use Nara clan, Akamichi clan and Yamanaka clan abbilities
- use Inzuka clan abillities excluding need for summon.
- use all hyuuga clan abillities which DONT NEED byakugan to be used
- use other minor not kkg, kkt techniques
- use many more Monkey King Enma transformations
- use eight gates depending if they were created before or after his prime age
- possible fusion with monkey king enma as Kisame could with Samehada.
- Kurenai genjutsu and other types of genjutsu. Maybe bringer of darkness technique also.
Prime Hiruzen CAN NOT:
- use kkg, kkt or doujutsu involving techniques and abillities no matter in what form.
Amaterasu, tsukyiomi etc. Hiruzen can not use
Reason: need for special genetic trait
- use all techniques created by Kushina or Minato. Rasengan and most likely ftg which need special marks.
Reason: they were created after Hiruzen prime age
- use of sage mode or senjutsu in any form.
Reason: Three places where you can learn sm were specified and monkeys were not mentioned.
use sussano in any form
Reason: Hiruzen has never had ms so even eyeless sussano argument does not help him.
- use of Shino's clan techniques as all of them need for bugs to be involved.
Reason: lack of specific summon contract.
Well I can not find any more technique or ability which could require to be listed so I will stop at it. Clearly the main Hiruzen's strength lays in his Monkey King Enma summon and also possible combinations of usual techniques used in unique way at godly or very high level.
Now I will try to display where Prime Hiruzen could be put in top list of the strongest characters ever.
Top 10 list of the strongest shinobi ever(excluding: sosp, sosp sons, shisui, kakashi's Dad and of course Edo tensei technique)
1. Juubi Jin Obuto
2. Alive Rinnegan Madara
3. Alive SM Hashirama
4. BSM Naruto/ BM Minato
5. Sasuke
6. Nagato
7. DSM Kabuto
8. Itachi
9. Killer bee
10. Tobirama/ Prime Hiruzen
I know that some of you will disagree but this is my opinion. Prime Hiruzen would only loose to THE MOST POWERFULL kkg, kkt users also jinchurki or sm but Only in Kabuto's case. It makes him truly amazing and impresive as he lack special DNA nor he stole anything but still he keeps such high place .
Hiruzen's legend is hidden begind normall shinobi reaching peak of possible abillities and being able to use and combine them as godly atracks.
Thanks for reading !
Sorry for lack of summary and aby grammar or literral mistakes as I am on my phone.
Please share your thoughts
