Preta path vs susanoo (best defense)

[Blaze Release]

Look I honestly would not want preta to be able to absorb the meteor, because one that would be OP and two that would look hilarious. But the fact remains that preta can absorb chakra that materializes even into physical substance such as fire, wind, or even oil, so until proven otherwise, if the meteor is made from chakra it can be absorbed.

The metoer isnt made from chakra, its from space. Even if it was made from chakra, how would pretha path absorb it. Its solid, he cannot. Even if he absorbs the first one (which i believe he cannot), where would he absorb the second one lmao.

If you havent noticed it has absrobed 2 forms of rasengan, oil+fire and 8 tailed demon cloak. All these would also get absorbed by samahada.

Ask yourself whether samahada can absorb a metoer because they more or less have the same qualities

 

[lanakau888]

The metoer isnt made from chakra, its from space. Even if it was made from chakra, how would pretha path absorb it. Its solid, he cannot. Even if he absorbs the first one (which i believe he cannot), where would he absorb the second one lmao.

If you havent noticed it has absrobed 2 forms of rasengan, oil+fire and 8 tailed demon cloak. All these would also get absorbed by samahada.

Ask yourself whether samahada can absorb a metoer because they more or less have the same qualities

There's a big difference between preta and samehada. Samehada gets a hole blasted in it and its user gets his chest ripped apart when it tries to absorb V2 lariat, and even then it only absorbs the full cloak. Preta, on the other hand, gets hit with lariat, absorbs the entire cloak and the user not only doesn't get damaged at all, but goes from being a skinny cripple to being in his prime.

Samehada gets pissed after just absorbing enough fire to cut a fireball in half. Preta effortlessly absorbs a sage-mode fire technique big enough to obscure his entire field of vision.

Of course samehada can't absorb a meteor, but preta path can absorb materialized chakra and until you can prove the space rock is not created by chakra, but summoned by chakra, it can be absorbed since preta path has absorbed faaaaaaaar more dense chakra (v2 cloak, rasenshuriken).

 

[Blaze Release]

There's a big difference between preta and samehada. Samehada gets a hole blasted in it and its user gets his chest ripped apart when it tries to absorb V2 lariat, and even then it only absorbs the full cloak. Preta, on the other hand, gets hit with lariat, absorbs the entire cloak and the user not only doesn't get damaged at all, but goes from being a skinny cripple to being in his prime.

Samehada gets pissed after just absorbing enough fire to cut a fireball in half. Preta effortlessly absorbs a sage-mode fire technique big enough to obscure his entire field of vision.

Of course samehada can't absorb a meteor, but preta path can absorb materialized chakra and until you can prove the space rock is not created by chakra, but summoned by chakra, it can be absorbed since preta path has absorbed faaaaaaaar more dense chakra (v2 cloak, rasenshuriken).

Both having more or less the same abilities, absorbing chakra/ninjutsu's.

If madara formed the metoers we wouldve seen the formation of it. Similar to chibaku tensei, but i came out of know were. Actually from space, since it was from the sky but also its a metoer. Thats where they come from. He mustve summoned them.

Secondly you agreed that chibaku tensei cannot be absorbed and this tech is more or less similar to the metoers

 

[lanakau888]

Both having more or less the same abilities, absorbing chakra/ninjutsu's.

If madara formed the metoers we wouldve seen the formation of it. Similar to chibaku tensei, but i came out of know were. Actually from space, since it was from the sky but also its a metoer. Thats where they come from. He mustve summoned them.

Secondly you agreed that chibaku tensei cannot be absorbed and this tech is more or less similar to the metoers

But then we go back to my prior arguments:

- Meteors lacking speed of reentry
- meteors lacking thermal energy of reentry
- Abysmal chances of perfectly circular meteors that are identical to be summoned.

So when we look back at it we both have equal pros and cons as to why preta would and wouldn't absorb it.

No chibaku tensei is not more or less like the meteor since we actually know that it uses chakra-less mass to create a giant sphere.

As much as we have debated preta's ability to absorb the meteor, I find the argument pointless since susanoo can't tank the meteors or chibaku tensei.

 

[Blaze Release]

But then we go back to my prior arguments:

- Meteors lacking speed of reentry
- meteors lacking thermal energy of reentry
- Abysmal chances of perfectly circular meteors that are identical to be summoned.

So when we look back at it we both have equal pros and cons as to why preta would and wouldn't absorb it.

No chibaku tensei is not more or less like the meteor since we actually know that it uses chakra-less mass to create a giant sphere.

As much as we have debated preta's ability to absorb the meteor, I find the argument pointless since susanoo can't tank the meteors or chibaku tensei.

Its true that due to its gravitational full of chibaku tensei susano would be useless. Id like to see a meteor go up against a complete susanoo though. Since it wasnt coming down at ridiculous speed, this effectively decreases its impact levels, thus greatly taking away its effectiveness

 

[lanakau888]

Its true that due to its gravitational full of chibaku tensei susano would be useless. Id like to see a meteor go up against a complete susanoo though. Since it wasnt coming down at ridiculous speed, this effectively decreases its impact levels, thus greatly taking away its effectiveness

using the word "effective" twice in the same sentence effectively lessens the effect that your post would have had on me. effectively.

Yep, I agree especially with madara's LVL1 susanoo surviving raikage's chop w/out damage that a complete susanoo surviving the meteor isn't impossible.

But still, if you weight their pros and cons, preta path is the better defense.

 

[Blaze Release]

using the word "effective" twice in the same sentence effectively lessens the effect that your post would have had on me. effectively.

Yep, I agree especially with madara's LVL1 susanoo surviving raikage's chop w/out damage that a complete susanoo surviving the meteor isn't impossible.

But still, if you weight their pros and cons, preta path is the better defense.

:flaw:. I dont think youve weight the pros and cons at all. Preta path can only absorb ninjutsu and not all ninjutsu. Its downfall is taijutsu.

Pretha path mightve absobred raikage's armour, but he still woudlve felt the full force of that punch. Sasunoo has shwon for feats incomplete. Yes including its latest feat, it took 2 kages to break 2 ribs of a v2 susanoo clearly shows how strong it is.

Not to forget its also an offensive technique. Itachi's having the legendary weapons and yasaka magatam. Sasuke's having the arrows, but also susanoo captured danzo and squeezed him to death twice. Madara's have a similar technique to yasaka magatama, but also its his susanoo that contributed to the metoers.

Its a splended offensive and defensive technqiue

 

[lanakau888]

:flaw:. I dont think youve weight the pros and cons at all. Preta path can only absorb ninjutsu and not all ninjutsu. Its downfall is taijutsu.

Pretha path mightve absobred raikage's armour, but he still woudlve felt the full force of that punch.

We've already seen that bee's lariat > A's lariat, and after being first hit with and then absorbing bees V2 lariat, nagato was undamaged, so no he will not feel the full force of the punch at all.

Sasunoo has shwon for feats incomplete. Yes including its latest feat, it took 2 kages to break 2 ribs of a v2 susanoo clearly shows how strong it is.

Not to forget its also an offensive technique. Itachi's having the legendary weapons and yasaka magatam. Sasuke's having the arrows, but also susanoo captured danzo and squeezed him to death twice. Madara's have a similar technique to yasaka magatama, but also its his susanoo that contributed to the metoers.

Its a splended offensive and defensive technqiue

But we are talking about defense. And if you want to factor in offense, then preta path can suck a person dry by just touching them. Also the big downfall with susanoo is stamina. Preta path makes the user stronger the more he/she is attacked, and can be activated while on the move, and is instant. A complete susanoo takes time to form and against powerful ninjutsu (rasenshuriken, dust release, tailed beast bomb, V2 lariat) you would have to have susanoo activated for a while in order to make it complete enough to tank those attacks, whereas preta can do it instantly.

 

[Blaze Release]

We've already seen that bee's lariat > A's lariat, and after being first hit with and then absorbing bees V2 lariat, nagato was undamaged, so no he will not feel the full force of the punch at all.


But we are talking about defense. And if you want to factor in offense, then preta path can suck a person dry by just touching them. Also the big downfall with susanoo is stamina. Preta path makes the user stronger the more he/she is attacked, and can be activated while on the move, and is instant. A complete susanoo takes time to form and against powerful ninjutsu (rasenshuriken, dust release, tailed beast bomb, V2 lariat) you would have to have susanoo activated for a while in order to make it complete enough to tank those attacks, whereas preta can do it instantly.

True but that wasnt a lariat A used on susanoo.

Anyway i must congratulate you, you have demonstrated how good a defence pretha path is, especially the fact that it can make its user stronger, whilst susanoo does the opposite.

Btw im not sure if you mean nagato pretha path or pretha path by itself

 

[lanakau888]

True but that wasnt a lariat A used on susanoo.

Anyway i must congratulate you, you have demonstrated how good a defence pretha path is, especially the fact that it can make its user stronger, whilst susanoo does the opposite.

Sounds a little too good to be true. Not sure if serious or trolling?

Btw im not sure if you mean nagato pretha path or pretha path by itself

Hmmm.... both should function the same.

 

[Blaze Release]

Sounds a little too good to be true. Not sure if serious or trolling?


Hmmm.... both should function the same.

Im serious, the fact that it can make its user stronger whislt susanoo does the opposite makes it better. But also the fact that it weakens the opponent aswell.

Anyway what i meant when i asked whether if its pretha path nagato or pretha path alone is that, if its pretha path nagato it doesnt have the weaknesses of pretha path on its own, due to fact that thats its only ability, but also its been said that taijutsu is most effective against it

 

[lanakau888]

Im serious, the fact that it can make its user stronger whislt susanoo does the opposite makes it better. But also the fact that it weakens the opponent aswell.

Anyway what i meant when i asked whether if its pretha path nagato or pretha path alone is that, if its pretha path nagato it doesnt have the weaknesses of pretha path on its own, due to fact that thats its only ability, but also its been said that taijutsu is most effective against it

Regardless if it is alone or not, we are just talking about preta path and its function as a defensive ability. It doesn't matter if nagato can use his rinnegan abilities or not since we are solely debating preta path. Its like bringing into account amaterasu and susanoo, or combining susanoo with another jutsu in order to make a better defense. We are only debating at a level where the only thing that matters is the preta path ability or susanoo, not how they function when combined with other abilities.

 

[Blaze Release]

Regardless if it is alone or not, we are just talking about preta path and its function as a defensive ability. It doesn't matter if nagato can use his rinnegan abilities or not since we are solely debating preta path. Its like bringing into account amaterasu and susanoo, or combining susanoo with another jutsu in order to make a better defense. We are only debating at a level where the only thing that matters is the preta path ability or susanoo, not how they function when combined with other abilities.

If thats the case then susanoo

 

[lanakau888]

If thats the case then susanoo

why? You know we are not talking about a shinobi with only preta path vs a shinobi with only susanoo. We are talking about various defensive scenarios and comparing the outcome using preta path vs susanoo. Preta path is the waay better choice in almost all of them.

 

[Blaze Release]

why? You know we are not talking about a shinobi with only preta path vs a shinobi with only susanoo. We are talking about various defensive scenarios and comparing the outcome using preta path vs susanoo. Preta path is the waay better choice in almost all of them.

What you say when you say pretha path is basically the fat guy who just has this ability. This ability alone isnt enough to beat your opponents. If ninjutsu doesnt work, its opponent will try taijutsu. Also pretha path can absorb ninjutsu and chakra, but whats the point if it cannot use them for offence.

Kiba's clan alone wouldve handed his ass to him, if it didnt retreat. Susaoo on the otherhand wouldve easily countered their techs, but also it can go on the offensive

 

[lanakau888]

What you say when you say pretha path is basically the fat guy who just has this ability. This ability alone isnt enough to beat your opponents. If ninjutsu doesnt work, its opponent will try taijutsu. Also pretha path can absorb ninjutsu and chakra, but whats the point if it cannot use them for offence.

Exactly the thread title is "best defense" meaning we put susanoo and preta path in different "defensive" scenarios and see which comes out as the better defensive tech in the most scenarios. We are not talking about offense at all.

So its not a match between who can beat the most opponents, preta path or susanoo, but a match between what technique will be most beneficial to the user when tanking different attacks or defending against different scenarios. And I say preta path is the victor.

 

[Blaze Release]

Exactly the thread title is "best defense" meaning we put susanoo and preta path in different "defensive" scenarios and see which comes out as the better defensive tech in the most scenarios. We are not talking about offense at all.

So its not a match between who can beat the most opponents, preta path or susanoo, but a match between what technique will be most beneficial to the user when tanking different attacks or defending against different scenarios. And I say preta path is the victor.

The fact that susano is also an offensive tech makes it the better defensive tech or have do you not believe in the saying "the best form of defence is offence"

 

[lanakau888]

The fact that susano is also an offensive tech makes it the better defensive tech or have do you not believe in the saying "the best form of defence is offence"

I knew this would be brought up, which is why I say we judge both in "defensive scenarios" in which it is susanoo tanking an attack vs preta path tanking an attack. Bah, I know this is getting way to restricted, and I'm starting to think its futile in debating this based off of anything besides instinct.

 

[Paintachi]

seriously susanoo is underrestimated.
remember it pierced nagato and oro in a few seconds both fights were fast.


Susanoo wins cause its offensive is verry powerfull along with totsuka. and its defence is complete.