Precog makes you better in cqc

[Dantee]

Nope. Naruto would win 100%. Sasuke would need to take out that EMS.

Naruto would lose 100% feats prove it.

 

[KingHashirama]

Why do you think Kishimoto made sure Sasuke didn't have his sword for the final fight? This is why.

same reason he made sure Naruto didn't go on the offense, and only counter Sasuke.

Same reason he had Sasuke beg Naruto to lose.

Same reason he had Naruto say "hey man this fight wasn't about winning"

Same reason why Sasuke wankers be on stupid shit about "he admit lost in morals".


Reason : Sasuke is weaker than Naruto and it wouldn't have made a shit of a difference if he had a sword.

Naruto would lose 100% feats prove it.

what feats prove it?

The feats of them being near equal each other in a death state in cqc?


Just like Madara needs EMS to match Hashirama in CQC, Sasuke needs EMS to be better than NAruto in CQC, and then Naruto goes into SM.. then its back to equal.

 

[Dantee]

same reason he made sure Naruto didn't go on the offense, and only counter Sasuke.

Same reason he had Sasuke beg Naruto to lose.

Same reason he had Naruto say "hey man this fight wasn't about winning"

Same reason why Sasuke wankers be on stupid shit about "he admit lost in morals".


Reason : Sasuke is weaker than Naruto and it wouldn't have made a shit of a difference if he had a sword.



what feats prove it?

The feats of them being near equal each other in a death state in cqc?


Just like Madara needs EMS to match Hashirama in CQC, Sasuke needs EMS to be better than NAruto in CQC, and then Naruto goes into SM.. then its back to equal.

So your argument is bringing up HAshirama? You're an idiot. :lol: Sasuke has way more impressive feats in 3t compared to BAse Naruto. Naruto only had comparable feats since gaining SM. Madara pretty much confirmed EMS Sasuke > SM Naruto in cqc. Naruto would need RSM for the edge, Sasuke uses EMS/Rinnegan and they are pretty much on par.

 

[KingHashirama]

So your argument is bringing up HAshirama? You're an idiot. :lol:

Selective reading won't get you far.

You were asked 2 questions:


what feats prove it?

The feats of them being near equal each other in a death state in cqc?

Calling someone an idiot, when you can't even properly read.. won't get you far.

 

[Dantee]

Selective reading won't get you far.

You were asked 2 questions:


what feats prove it?

The feats of them being near equal each other in a death state in cqc?

Calling someone an idiot, when you can't even properly read.. won't get you far.

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when did BAse Naruto do this?

or fight off a bijuu enhanced individual at base

or was able to fight off Mifunes quick draw

Narutos base mode is unimpressive. He needs clones for what he lacks in base. That's his go to move in that state.

 

[itsxtrayy]

bruh....

Don't say what's bolded in a "matter of fact" fashion then say, "just about". It makes you sound like a jackass.


I can see why most people dont bother with you if you take things to the extreme or say silly shit like this.

That's not extreme, you just don't understand how overpowered Naruto and Sasuke are, and I said "just about" because they can't take everyone without their other powers, but it's a fact that Base Adult Naruto and Sasuke are ridiculously powerful compared to their fellow ninja's. If you don't believe me, go to the battle forum and make a gauntlet thread of Base Naruto and Sasuke vs every hi jonin/Kage level opponent you can think of, and see what the consensus is, they'd win most fights with straight blitzes right off the back.

 

[KingHashirama]

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when did BAse Naruto do this?

or fight off a bijuu enhanced individual at base

or was able to fight off Mifunes quick draw

Narutos base mode is unimpressive. He needs clones for what he lacks in base. That's his go to move in that state.

Might as well shove in part 1 feats, and how Sasuke wrecked Naruto in Cqc at the start of the manga. Since we are putting feats that happened before any rikudou power up or the war.


@Bold, when was he put in that situation?

 

[Dantee]

So bro, all them pre-war arc feats huh.

Might as well shove in part 1 feats, where Naruto needed Sasuke saving him. Or how Sasuke wrecked Naruto in Cqc at the start of the manga.

Lol what pre war arc feats???Lmao all of them was in SM. Who can naruto defeat in BAse, I bet Sasuke could make mincemeat out of them with 3tomoe alone.

 

[itsxtrayy]

same reason he made sure Naruto didn't go on the offense, and only counter Sasuke.

Same reason he had Sasuke beg Naruto to lose.

Same reason he had Naruto say "hey man this fight wasn't about winning"

Same reason why Sasuke wankers be on stupid shit about "he admit lost in morals".


Reason : Sasuke is weaker than Naruto and it wouldn't have made a shit of a difference if he had a sword.



what feats prove it?

The feats of them being near equal each other in a death state in cqc?


Just like Madara needs EMS to match Hashirama in CQC, Sasuke needs EMS to be better than NAruto in CQC, and then Naruto goes into SM.. then its back to equal.

Naruto was stronger than Sasuke at that point and time I never said he wasn't, but if you think base Naruto is matching Sasuke in cqc when he has his sword you're tripping.

 

[itsxtrayy]

Might as well shove in part 1 feats, and how Sasuke wrecked Naruto in Cqc at the start of the manga. Since we are putting feats that happened before any rikudou power up or the war.

Naruto barley has any cqc feats, his most notable base feat is holding off deva path while waiting for his sage mode battery. Gaara rescue arc he punched armless deidara, but it was a clay clone. Orochimaru arc he was in kyuubi mode most of the time then Sasuke wrecked team 7 when they met up. Immortal arc he trained, then landed rasenshuriken. He fought Kabuto briefly during Itachi pursuit arc, but they couldn't capture him. Then he learns sage mode and never fights in base again except for chapter 698.

 

[Pukkake Pokayo]

I never mentioned chidori you moron, don't you see the quotations? I WAS QUOTING HIM. he said: "ofc. Sasuke is trash using Chidori and cqc without sharingan's pre-cog." I said: "So Sasuke is trash in cqc without his sharingan, huh?" I deliberately left chidori out for a reason, reading comprehension my friend.

He said Sasuke is trash in cqc without sharingan he didn't say Sasuke without sharingan is trash in cqc compared to Sasuke with his sharingan activated. I hope I don't have to explain the difference to you, but i'll spell it out just incase. One is a general statement that means his skills are trash in regards to everyone, the other is a comparison to himself. Even if as an adult, he's "trash" in cqc without his sharingan compared to him using it, that doesn't mean he's trash compared to other people. Stop trying to twist words.

Quoting somethimg is still mentioning/bringing up something/using it as an argument, you idiot XD

You thought he was totally underestimating Sasuke because you're riding his **** or w/e the reason was for the sensitivity lel

@Bold: Are you retarded? Talking about comprehension when you can't even tell what people are debating & why. Wtf else would Nips be basing the claim off, you half-wit. Sasuke needs dojutsu vs top tiers. That's where it makes the difference. He clearly doesn't need it for jonin or lower. You think people just say shit without any basis? **** outta here...Nips obviously didn't mean trash without sharingan compared to genin. Use your head, ffs. The thread is about precog & cqc. Which was a waste of time btw.

 

[To Whatever]

That's not extreme, you just don't understand how overpowered Naruto and Sasuke are, and I said "just about" because they can't take everyone without their other powers, but it's a fact that Base Adult Naruto and Sasuke are ridiculously powerful compared to their fellow ninja's. If you don't believe me, go to the battle forum and make a gauntlet thread of Base Naruto and Sasuke vs every hi jonin/Kage level opponent you can think of, and see what the consensus is, they'd win most fights with straight blitzes right off the back.

Did you not say some silly shit as your first reply? Besides that Kage level is subjective. Base mode with no senjutsu/kyuubi or dojutsu against people like hashi, madara, ay, minato and others.

But you seem to have enough time on your hands to start a gauntlet on that. Be my guest.

Fallout 4 is calling my name

I never mentioned chidori you moron, don't you see the quotations? I WAS QUOTING HIM. he said: "ofc. Sasuke is trash using Chidori and cqc without sharingan's pre-cog." I said: "So Sasuke is trash in cqc without his sharingan, huh?" I deliberately left chidori out for a reason, reading comprehension my friend.

He said Sasuke is trash in cqc without sharingan he didn't say Sasuke without sharingan is trash in cqc compared to Sasuke with his sharingan activated. I hope I don't have to explain the difference to you, but i'll spell it out just incase. One is a general statement that means his skills are trash in regards to everyone, the other is a comparison to himself. Even if as an adult, he's "trash" in cqc without his sharingan compared to him using it, that doesn't mean he's trash compared to other people. Stop trying to twist words.

also about bolded*

anyone with a brain could figure out that was who i was comparing him to. I usd Kb as proof in another post as well.

 

[itsxtrayy]

Quoting somethimg is still mentioning/bringing up something/using it as an argument, you idiot XD

You thought he was totally underestimating Sasuke because you're riding his **** or w/e the reason was for the sensitivity lel

@Bold: Are you retarded? Talking about comprehension when you can't even tell what people are debating & why. Wtf else would Nips be basing the claim off, you half-wit. Sasuke needs dojutsu vs top tiers. That's where it makes the difference. He clearly doesn't need it for jonin or lower. You think people just say shit without any basis? **** outta here...Nips obviously didn't mean trash without sharingan compared to genin. Use your head, ffs. The thread is about precog & cqc. Which was a waste of time btw.

Lol, smh, you're half right. Me quoting him is "still mentioning/bringing up something" but it's not "using it as an argument" especially when I clearly left the chidori part out of my reply. You quote people for various reason's, plenty of which don't mean you're using that quote as an argument. For example: you can quote a sentence you disagree/agree with or a sentence you're about to rebut. Neither of those situations is using a sentence you quoted as your own argument.

Smh, I explained the difference. I can't read his mind and with all the Sasuke underestimization on the forum I have no idea who he's caliing his cqc trash in comparison to. (I can make guesses or I can ask him to clarify which he replied "it's something he absolutely needs if he's going to fight anyone of moderate tier.") Like I said, Sasuke underestimization, he thinks Adult Sasuke needs his sharingan to fight people of "moderate tier" which means an average ninja (moderate means average in this context) absolutely ridiculous. As dantee posted above, Sasuke took out hundreds of average ninja in the beginning of part 2 without leaving a drop of blood. The logical conclusion is that he thinks Adult Sasuke's sharinganless cqc is on par with "moderate tiers" since he believes the sharingan is something Sasuke "absolutely needs" if he's going to fight people of only that level.

Finally, depending on the starting distance the only people Sasuke needs his sharingan against are demi-god and up tier characters. (And considering that most fights in the series start at relatively close distances) He and Naruto blitz prime Hashirama, Ay, onoki, Minato, Killer Bee, any Madara who isn't JJ, Gaara, etc... and anyone else you wan't to name who isn't a Juubi Jin or Otsutsuki. (maybe not dms obito/kakashi if they start with phasing right away, and 8th gate Gai, but he can be blitzed before he even activates the gates) Look at the fused Momoshiki fight, their footspeed is so fast they uproot giant roots and destroy rocks with their takeoff, that footspeed blitzes everyone I named, let's not even talk about shunshin.

 

[itsxtrayy]

Did you not say some silly shit as your first reply? Besides that Kage level is subjective. Base mode with no senjutsu/kyuubi or dojutsu against people like hashi, madara, ay, minato and others.

But you seem to have enough time on your hands to start a gauntlet on that. Be my guest.

Fallout 4 is calling my name



also about bolded*

anyone with a brain could figure out that was who i was comparing him to. I usd Kb as proof in another post as well.

No, I didn't, your ignorance of Naruto and Sasuke's powers doesn't make me saying they can beat all the kages (1 on 1 of course) in their base forms "some silly shit."

I asked you to clarify about adult Sasuke and this is what you said "I mean as the series went on he's obviously gained skill to fight people without sharingan but it's something he absolutely needs if he's going to fight anyone of moderate tier." You say adult Sasuke needs his sharingan to fight people of moderate tier. Do you understand what moderate means? You're the one saying "silly shit."

 

[unknownvillain1254]

It enhances it but he doesn't rely on it. Sharigan doesn't give you skill.

I'm guessing you forgot the lee fight

 

[Ripple Hole]

Lol what pre war arc feats???Lmao all of them was in SM. Who can naruto defeat in BAse, I bet Sasuke could make mincemeat out of them with 3tomoe alone.

He beat Pain in base.

 

[Warlocks]

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[PT1990]

Of course it does. Only when the enemy is much faster than you precognition becomes useless.

 

[Dantee]

I'm guessing you forgot the lee fight

Point proven.

 

[Gerkak]

Yes pre cog does improve cqc