Also take this into count please...
You do realize that they landed several major blows on Oars? They shattered his entire spine and rendered one of his arms unusable.
Blueno lost track of Luffy after Luffy used Gear 2, in base form, Luffy was even with Blueno. I'm not even sure you've ever read One Piece.
Using your logic; Pre-gears Luffy>Enel and Enel>Lucci so therefore Pre-gears Luffy>Lucci.
Last four scans were all I needed, as soon as Luffy times out Lucci went for the kill.
He kept his distance from luffy, he stayed away from him above the ship.
Even if Moria is not inside of Oars at the beginning, the shadows that he was controlling were.
Zombie oars is Luffy's shadow and Moria's controlling a dead unfrozen giant.
Zoro and Sanji didn't, so that means chopper/usopp>>>Zoro/Sanji now?
Zoro just finish fighting a Wano zombie swordsmen, what does slamming into a wall have to do with anything?
Zoro, Sanji, Robin, and rest didn't just stand there either...
No, none of their Soru beats G2 Luffy, but it definitely beats Chopper and Ussop's speed, and those two could dodge Oars. Moriah has never displayed CoO, so he wouldn't know if Blueno is opening a door behind him until it's too late. You're just in denial at this point and refuse to admit that ABC logic doesn't always work.
You're using ABC logic :|
ABC logic doesn't always work, it does work sometimes. You just need to think the matchup through to determine if ABC logic works or not. It doesn't work for CP9 vs Oars, but it does for CP9's ability to dodge Oars since Chopper and Ussop dodged him.
1. He didn't just stay mid-ranged from Luffy, immediately after Luffy came out and destroyed the battleship, Lucci got into close range and mauled him, Luffy still had Gear 3 activated when Rob Lucci was in close quarters mauling him. You said he remained on the ground until Luffy timed out, I proved you incorrect. Twice now on the same point. That's that. Scans show Lucci not only getting up as I said, but engaging in close combat with Luffy.
Nope, look at the scan again. Luffy was chasing Moriah's shadow at the beginning of the fight, Moriah nor his shadow were there the entire time, just the end.
What....I said does Oars have Luffy's shadow(Dumb question he HAS to), and if Moriah is present. I said you were wrong in that Moriah HAS to be there, I didn't say he wasn't there, just that he doesn't have to be
Gear 2 is Soru dude, and Rob Lucci kept up with Gear 2 Luffy quite well, he even managed to outmaneuver and land blows on Luffy while he was using Gear 2. Soru isn't slower than Gear 2, Blueno's Soru is. Rob Lucci's Soru was the same as Luffy's Soru.
And?? Zoro didn't get any significant injuries from battling Ryuma, so what does it matter? He still fell unconscious from a lesser attack that Lucci was able to fight through.
You're right, it's a different situation because this situation requires not just brute strength, but effective abilities and intelligence, and CP9 has it in spades.
I wasn't calling you anything or accusing you of doing something so I don't see how "no I'm not" applies to anything in my post. You were saying that since SHs>CP9, and since Oars gave the SHs including Brook a tough fight, then that would mean that Oars beats them. You didn't take their abilities into consideration. They all have good enough Soru, so they can easily dodge any of Oars attacks. Kalifa can use her powers to make Oars feet slippery so that he will be stuck on the ground. Then, Kaku uses his attack that cut the Tower of Law in half on Oars, since Oars cant dodge it then. Now that Oars was cut in two, Kalifa washes away his arms' strength, and then CP9 breaks every bone in his body since he cant do anything.
1. It's just as a matter of size as it is abilities, they're to small and lack the firepower to do anything
Oars can sense them and blitz dodge. He has the exact same battle experience and multiplied speed/power of Luffy
He can look and see.
Let me point out the issue with that: All of them move in unison as a team. Their individual attacks aren't enough to do efficient damage. So that means that they all have to slow down and move at the speed of the slowest one of them all, Fukurou. And I assure you Oars can react to him. So that they all strike at the same time, as a team.
Fails at the first step. Zoro's speed is near double Fufus speed and Oz cleanly dodged and countered an attack of his. Then he detects the others, and uses GGN Gattling. They're fast, but against something of that size and speed it will mean nothing.
Mind showing me some feats of intelligence? If they were so smart, they could've outsmarted each Strawhat to beat them. They don't rely on their brains nearly as much as you're giving them credit for. Their flaw as Zoro(?) pointed out is being too reliant on their techniques and generally underestimating their opponents own strength.
Lol I wasn't talking about this match I was responding to something else.
You were basically putting words in my mouth, saying that because this logic works for this type of match, it will work for everybody else. so I said no, I'm not saying that Pre-gears Luffy>Enel and Enel>Lucci so therefore Pre-gears Luffy>Lucci.
