Pre-Hagoromo Naruto (BSM) vs. Hashirama.

[SageOfTheTenPaths]

Troll thread, Hashirama stomps neg-diff

 

[shelke]

Hashirama takes BSM Naruto even at base level. Madara had him restrained firmly in BM. I cannot see which feat from BSM far outclasses BM. Still seems like fan-fiction to me. Naruto couldn't evade wood dragon then, he isn't doing it now. Speed is irrelevant, when Hashirama can outlast BSM's 8 minute limit. That is the only limit it could ever put out.

Flower tree world is a great counter as well.

 

[Romy9]

Hashirama takes BSM Naruto even at base level. Madara had him restrained firmly in BM. I cannot see which feat from BSM far outclasses BM. Still seems like fan-fiction to me. Naruto couldn't evade wood dragon then, he isn't doing it now. Speed is irrelevant, when Hashirama can outlast BSM's 8 minute limit. That is the only limit it could ever put out.

Flower tree world is a great counter as well.

Nah, Madara was too calm and not giving a f*ck to be restrained firmly. He let him do it because Obito was about to Rinne Tensei. Naruto can simply evade Wood Dragon with his speed, it's not irrelevant. You forget about Oodama and Biju FRSs that can deal with Hashirama's major techniques quite easily. I agree with the outlasting thing since Hashirama probably has a lot more chakra than base Naruto.

 

[Torche]

Nah, Madara was too calm and not giving a f*ck to be restrained firmly. He let him do it because Obito was about to Rinne Tensei. Naruto can simply evade Wood Dragon with his speed, it's not irrelevant. You forget about Oodama and Biju FRSs that can deal with Hashirama's major techniques quite easily. I agree with the outlasting thing since Hashirama probably has a lot more chakra than base Naruto.

I thought I'd just add this food for thought. Not really looking to get into the debate. But, Naruto's negative emotion sensing would help tremendously, especially for dodging those bothersome Mokuton things. It'd be easier to dodge in the cloaked form, rather than transformed. Just thought I'd add that!

 

[Romy9]

I thought I'd just add this food for thought. Not really looking to get into the debate. But, Naruto's negative emotion sensing would help tremendously, especially for dodging those bothersome Mokuton things. It'd be easier to dodge in the cloaked form, rather than transformed. Just thought I'd add that!

That's great, I didn't think of that. I don't know, man, I'm starting to lean towards Naruto more because I can't see what would Hashirama use to beat him. They both have power and stamina, but Naruto has speed as well.

 

[Torche]

That's great, I didn't think of that. I don't know, man, I'm starting to lean towards Naruto more because I can't see what would Hashirama use to beat him. They both have power and stamina, but Naruto has speed as well.

Yeah, I think everyone has overlooked that feat. I still think it goes probably 60-40% in Naruto's favour.

 

[Sakura x Ino]

Base Naruto stomps Sage Mode Hashirama with 1,000,000 shadow clones

 

[Romy9]

Base Naruto stomps Sage Mode Hashirama with 1,000,000 shadow clones

The clones could make a distraction but Hashirama would destroy them with ease.

 

[KCMNaruto]

Bloodlusted BSM Naruto speedblitz Base Hashirama killing him, Hashirama only chance is if Naruto won't use his speed to full extent. If Naruto is in character Base Hashirama may have chance.

SM Hashirama takes this mid diff, hard diff if Naruto unleash massive amount of clones speedblitzing around.
Without Buddha SM Hashirama may get draw with BSM Naruto using army of clones
Without Buddha and Wood god gates BSM Naruto beats SM Hashirama hard diff

nuff said

 

[Romy9]

Bloodlusted BSM Naruto speedblitz Base Hashirama killing him, Hashirama only chance is if Naruto won't use his speed to full extent. If Naruto is in character Base Hashirama may have chance.

SM Hashirama takes this mid diff, hard diff if Naruto unleash massive amount of clones speedblitzing around.
Without Buddha SM Hashirama may get draw with BSM Naruto using army of clones
Without Buddha and Wood god gates BSM Naruto beats SM Hashirama hard diff

nuff said

Since it's all out, they both use everything at their disposal.

I think Hashirama may be accustomed to the levels of that kind of speed because of Tobirama's Hiraishin, but then again, Naruto's normal speed is of the same if not better level.
Most likely, their power techniques would decide the outcome but Hashirama doesn't have anything of Oodama or Biju FRS magnitude. Naruto would wreck the WD and the Buddha statue.

 

[shelke]

Nah, Madara was too calm and not giving a f*ck to be restrained firmly. He let him do it because Obito was about to Rinne Tensei. Naruto can simply evade Wood Dragon with his speed, it's not irrelevant. You forget about Oodama and Biju FRSs that can deal with Hashirama's major techniques quite easily. I agree with the outlasting thing since Hashirama probably has a lot more chakra than base Naruto.

He couldn't dodge the Wood Dragon even in BM:

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Couldn't get out of it, and almost lost all of his Avatar:

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He could barely manage two BM clones to aid kakashi and Bee:

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[WalksInShadows]

i don't see how it would end for him any differently against Hashirama that it did against Madara. Doesn't need much analysis.

 

[BlacLord™]

Hashirama dealt with EMS Madara and 100% Kyuubi simultaenously, you really think 50% Kyuubi + TSM matches up to that?

Since it's all out, they both use everything at their disposal.

I think Hashirama may be accustomed to the levels of that kind of speed because of Tobirama's Hiraishin, but then again, Naruto's normal speed is of the same if not better level.
Most likely, their power techniques would decide the outcome but Hashirama doesn't have anything of Oodama or Biju FRS magnitude. Naruto would wreck the WD and the Buddha statue.

Hiraishin is practically instant, you can't be faster than instant.

BSM Naruto already got caught by the less accustomed Madara's Wood Dragon, never mind from it's native user.

 

[Vicmann]

Hashirama has Senjutsu too and Mokuton could supress Kyuubi's chakra. Naruto would be left with almost nothing against him.

 

[lanakui8]

Hashirama is stronger, plain and simple. If Naruto was stronger, someone would have said something about Naruto surpassing Hashirama instead of getting statements like "he might become a better hokage than my brother".