[Theory] Pre Fruit Kaguya is stronger than Prime Madara

[Seventh Sama]

Isn't the Chakra amount the same?
Isn't Chakra like Energy?
Isn't the rule of Energy, like Transferring not Making or Creating?
If so, then Chakra should be the same.

Well, There should be more people now than a thousand years ago but then again lots of people did die in the warning states era to the point where the life expectancy of a shinobi was short and chakra doesn't transmigrate unless you're ashura or indra. But MR is wrong on the chakra fruit thing, Kaguya absorbed the worlds populations chakra almost twice and still wasn't stated to be at her prime.

 

[RedShadow]

Well, There should be more people now than a thousand years ago but then again lots of people did die in the warning states era to the point where the life expectancy of a shinobi was short and chakra doesn't transmigrate unless you're ashura or indra. But MR is wrong on the chakra fruit thing, Kaguya absorbed the worlds populations chakra almost twice and still wasn't stated to be at her prime.

Well.

Here we have it Ladies and Gentlemen.

 

[Orochimagus]

Stop giving Madara a handie.

Kaguya is an alien with superior physiology which gave birth to the Senju and Uchiha bloodlines which were just washed down versions of her. Madara as just a portion of Kaguya just cannot compete. She is immortal and has more power than anyone as stated by Hagoromo. There is no argument against the manga facts unless you are a fanboy; grow up and get off Madara's lap.

 

[SixPathsOfTobi]

The chakra amount is not equal even if everyone that has traces of the fruits chakra combined is the same amount as the original fruit, not all of them are on earth.. the army that kaguya needed which BZ was talking about was to fight the otsotsuki clan.

 

[Bronze]

Isn't the Chakra amount the same?
Isn't Chakra like Energy?
Isn't the rule of Energy, like Transferring not Making or Creating?
If so, then Chakra should be the same.

Nope. Chakra passing down to generations and generations is like the Natural Evolution. After Hagoromo became a Jinchuuriki, he spread Chakra to people, and this Chakra for thousand years had been dividing and dividing amongst the world. It is like Natural Evolution. Only Kaguya had Chakra in her era alongside her sons, but Chakra generations after is now shared amongst the world, making it superior.

 

[davidou]

Well,

Madara couldn't handle all that Chakra from IT. That's why he expanded rapidly. His body literally cannot store all that chakra.

If Madara ate the actual Fruit, he would have ballooned up and exploded.


Kaguya, even without chakra, was strong enough to eat the fruit and harness it's power.

It's not about strengh , it's about chakra control.
Kaguya has a better control of chakra than Madara.
That's obvious , because she has Byakugans.

She has huge powers but she has not the experience of tight fights like Madara , she doesn't use her huge powers very well , she isn't a good strategist in battle , she isn't a quick thinking women , she has emotions , Team 7 couldn't do anything against Madara , Kaguya was easier to beat than Madara.
That should be a proof that prime Madara was stronger than prime Kaguya , I'm not talking about pre-fruit Kaguya...

 

[davidou]

1/Isn't the Chakra amount the same?
2/Isn't Chakra like Energy?
3/Isn't the rule of Energy, like Transferring not Making or Creating?
4/If so, then Chakra should be the same.

1/No
2/In a sense.
3/Yes , individually , chakra is made of Physical and Spiritual Energy , if you have THIS physical energy and THIS spiritual energy , you can only make THIS amount of chakra , not more.
Does the source of chakra (physical and spiritual energy) work like energy?
I don't think so.
If every body trains his spiritual energy , making children to train their spirit , spiritual energy will be created.
If everybody do the exact same training day by day that Lee did , physical energy will be created.
The chakra amount on the Earth can change.

I bet Kaguya planned to wait a lot of time , 1000 years of wars will be enough for humans to create a lot of warriors , waiting for her field of chakra to be full of great ninjas , that time is a perfect time to harvest a huge amount of chakra , a lot more than the 1st time.

4/No.

 

[valandil988]

I would have to disagree.

Pre-Kaguya doesn't even make sense as a concept as Post-Kaguya was a new being.

You have to understand that Post Kaguya wasn't just Pre-Kaguya + Shinju powers. She became a whole new being near as we can tell.

This is true because Kaguya IS the juubi. The Juubi is a merging of both what Kaguya was and the Shinju together. Ergo it created a new being. Post-merge Kaguya.

This means that Kaguya essentially stopped existing as she originally did, it also helps explain why she would wish to try and kill her own offspring. That means if you didn't notice that she did not survive the fruit whole. Ergo in a fashion she is no better than Madara.

Trying to attain transcended powers like that always comes with a downside. In Madara's case Juubi-Kaguya was already the master of the Shinju and the Biju. In Kaguya's case she lost her own sense of being to become the juubi.

So Pre-Kaguya = Madara, both failed to control immense power and ultimately paid the price for that arrogance.

If we are talking battle potential then Madara makes Kaguya look like a moron. He was far superior in his own use of powers and strategy compared to Kaguya. She had immense power but seemingly had little brains.

 

[Seventh Sama]

I would have to disagree.

Pre-Kaguya doesn't even make sense as a concept as Post-Kaguya was a new being.

You have to understand that Post Kaguya wasn't just Pre-Kaguya + Shinju powers. She became a whole new being near as we can tell.

This is true because Kaguya IS the juubi. The Juubi is a merging of both what Kaguya was and the Shinju together. Ergo it created a new being. Post-merge Kaguya.

This means that Kaguya essentially stopped existing as she originally did, it also helps explain why she would wish to try and kill her own offspring. That means if you didn't notice that she did not survive the fruit whole. Ergo in a fashion she is no better than Madara.

Trying to attain transcended powers like that always comes with a downside. In Madara's case Juubi-Kaguya was already the master of the Shinju and the Biju. In Kaguya's case she lost her own sense of being to become the juubi.

So Pre-Kaguya = Madara, both failed to control immense power and ultimately paid the price for that arrogance.

If we are talking battle potential then Madara makes Kaguya look like a moron. He was far superior in his own use of powers and strategy compared to Kaguya. She had immense power but seemingly had little brains.

She only became a "new being" when she merged with the shinju which was years after she ate the god fruit. She demonstrated some tactical thought if you didn't know.

 

[ShinjuMadara]

This.... Actually Makes Sense