Ppl think Tobi > Madara? What?

[Nidaime Pupil]

Madara has no counter against Tobi's Space time.

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Its not that easy genius. Read the thread.


Manga page? Because I could've sworn Kisame called him Madara.

This was enough. And Tobi has 7 Bijuu so I highly doubt Madara's Rinnegan could absorb 7 TBB. All that on top of S/T intangibility and warping.

 

[-Liquid Cefka-]

This was enough. And Tobi has 7 Bijuu so I highly doubt Madara's Rinnegan could absorb 7 TBB. All that on top of S/T intangibility and warping.

I'll say it agin. Read the thread smart ass. I already addressed all of that.

Dont read two replies you agree with, and think you have it all figured out.

 

[Zero Path]

Not sure why everyone Keeps asserting that Madara Doesn't know anything about Tobi.. It's been reveled through the manga That Madara knows Full well who tobi is, And that he Is following Madara's Plan. If He could beat Madara, Then why submit to his will at all?

Further more, Madara Can full well cause Tobi to Sustain Ghost mode for over five mins, With more than a few Techniques. Besides That, Since he knows Who tobi is, Madara most likely knows full well about his S/T abilities, And to be prepared for it. Madara's Battle prowess is nothing to be trifled with.

 

[Jman1997]

Ima say Madara, but still, you never know.

 

[iMicLykTyson]

Not sure why everyone Keeps asserting that Madara Doesn't know anything about Tobi.. It's been reveled through the manga That Madara knows Full well who tobi is, And that he Is following Madara's Plan. If He could beat Madara, Then why submit to his will at all?

Further more, Madara Can full well cause Tobi to Sustain Ghost mode for over five mins, With more than a few Techniques. Besides That, Since he knows Who tobi is, Madara most likely knows full well about his S/T abilities, And to be prepared for it. Madara's Battle prowess is nothing to be trifled with.

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[TheSages456]

Tobi has better Genjutsu than Madara - just saying.

itachi has better genjutsu than tayuya.

 

[minatohokage]

tobi is madara so he cant

 

[Unorthodox]

Tobi casts Chibaku Tensei, distracts the clones with soul ripping dragons or a Gedo Mazo roar (sends shit flying everywhere), touches Gedo Mazo to turn it intangible, and assaults Madara (who's also distracted by CB) and/or warps him. Contrary to what some believe, Tobi won't just sit there and let Gedo Mazo or his Bijuus get raped.


And seriously, Madara has no definite counter to Tobi's S/T techs. Tobi got Torune before he knew what was happening, and that's when Fu was watching his back.

shira tensei>S/T clones dont have soul so thats useless madara uses chibaku tensei aswell and tobi cannot turn gedo mazo like a ghost gtfoh

 

[Nidaime Pupil]

I'll say it agin. Read the thread smart ass. I already addressed all of that.

Dont read two replies you agree with, and think you have it all figured out.

Read it. TheEye owned you and you just started crying. Anyway Still maintain everything I said. You claimed at one point Madara is a sensor Nin that's just false.

I'll say this. Tobi wins due to his intangibility and ST jutsu. You claim he is only intangible for 5 minutes so he has to win in 5 minutes. Probably enough but still if you want to argue this you are wrong. That is 5 minutes of NONSTOP attack like 10 billion explosives where he is constantly being attacked for the entire duration of the 5 minutes. If at any time he can re-materialize then the timer resets. Can't wait to hear your rebuttal for this because Madara has no such attacks for Tobi so TOBI WINS.

Oh, and a little grammar lesson: "you" and "are" the contraction is you're not your. Example: You're wrong in your little counterarguments. See how "your" is possessive and "you're" is the contraction of "you" and "are". I digress.

 

[-Liquid Cefka-]

If Sasuke caught Bee, a perfect Jinn, even for a second with his mediocre Tsukiyomi, It can be inferred Madara's Genjutsu abilities in general are 10x better than that, let alone his Tsukiyomi.

 

[Nidaime Pupil]

I just say this. They have the same techniques except for Mokuton and (Susano'o can easily be defeated I'll address it if necessary - ask Gaara), so what you're saying is that Madara's Mokuton is > Tobi. I think ST negates this.

You also say the Madara can wrestle the Bijuu out of Tobi's control. How so? Now you're saying that Madara's genjutsu can just out-control Tobi's genjutsu on Bijuu and who are you to say that?

Tobi still wins.

 

[-Liquid Cefka-]

@Nidaime, Grammar Nazi? I made the simplest mistake, and you ass bleeds. Seriously dude.

TheEye owned me? I cried?

Firts off, no he didn't. Secondly, he's a d*ck, and I addressed it. Thirdly, I have a counter argument for everything Tobi has, so wtf are you talking about? Several times I've countered Tobi's abilities, but I got owned. Gtfoh maggot.

Oh, and "counter arguments" are two words genius.

 

[TobisPawn]

Its not that easy genius. Read the thread.


Manga page? Because I could've sworn Kisame called him Madara.

At the start, when Tobi first showed himself to Kisame, Tobi referred to himself as Madara. So Kisame believed he was Madara.

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Later, Tobi reveals himself to Kisame, who recognizes him as MIzukage.

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So theoretically, Tobi could just one shot Madara with a Genjutsu good enough to control a perfect jinchuuriki.

itachi has better genjutsu than tayuya.

Madara has no Genjutsu feats.

 

[TheSages456]

madara>tobi

whether you like it or not, the tailed beasts and gedo mazo are to big too not get caught by mokuton. tailed beast balls and gedo mazos chakra attacks are absorbed. the phantom dragons tech is blocked by susano. shinra tensei is tanked by susano. there isnt enough room in susano for both madara and tobi to fit. tobi wont just phase through it like his fanboys like to claim. this means that warping and the human path are irrelevant. chibaku tesnei is destroyed by yasaka magatama spam with mokuton clones at the core. animal path summons are taken out by mokuton or yasaka magatama. asura paths attacks are tanked by susano. tobis intangibility is worn down by the flower tree world.

 

[Chojuro Sama Kun]

Nope i still think its Madara > jk < Tobi

 

[Unorthodox]

If Sasuke caught Bee, a perfect Jinn, even for a second with his mediocre Tsukiyomi, It can be inferred Madara's Genjutsu abilities in general are 10x better than that, let alone his Tsukiyomi.

his genjutsu is weaker than sasuke and itachi he hasit even showed genjutsu beside on kurama

At the start, when Tobi first showed himself to Kisame, Tobi referred to himself as Madara. So Kisame believed he was Madara.

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Later, Tobi reveals himself to Kisame, who recognizes him as MIzukage.

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So theoretically, Tobi could just one shot Madara with a Genjutsu good enough to control a perfect jinchuuriki.

madara wins this face it sharingan>genjutsu 12 clones will beat them jinz 13 clones will beat him and gedo and he will sit back while they get crushed because he doing it now and madara can use gedo mazo to he has rinnegan right shira tensei>S/t jutsu so gtfoh your little warp thing is pathetic even if does warp him he will not die your making tobi look pathetic edo madara wins this

 

[TobisPawn]

madara>tobi

whether you like it or not, the tailed beasts and gedo mazo are to big too not get caught by mokuton. tailed beast balls and gedo mazos chakra attacks are absorbed. the phantom dragons tech is blocked by susano. shinra tensei is tanked by susano. there isnt enough room in susano for both madara and tobi to fit. tobi wont just phase through it like his fanboys like to claim. this means that warping and the human path are irrelevant. chibaku tesnei is destroyed by yasaka magatama spam with mokuton clones at the core. animal path summons are taken out by mokuton or yasaka magatama. asura paths attacks are tanked by susano. tobis intangibility is worn down by the flower tree world.

It'd be better for Tobi not to use the Bijuus. He can keep them in Gedo Mazo.

Tobi can turn Gedo Mazo intangible, avoiding Mokuton.

For fitting into Susanoo, really? Tobi just has to warp within it and warp Madara away. He can phase through it, either by going intangible or warping inside it from the start. Warping and human path therefore are not irrelevant; you just tried making a half-assed excuse to negate it.

CB isn't destroyed that easily. For flower tree: CB takes it up with it. Or Gedo Mazo roars and sends it all flying towards Madara and his clones. U_U Gedo Mazo roars and sends the clones flying before they can do anything about CB, and Tobi warps himself and Gedo Mazo over to Madara (preoccupied with CB and Animal Path summons), and assaults him.

And btw, 25 clones will make each clone have 1/25th of Madara's chakra.

his genjutsu is weaker than sasuke and itachi he hasit even showed genjutsu beside on kurama

madara wins this face it sharingan>genjutsu 12 clones will beat them jinz 13 clones will beat him and gedo and he will sit back while they get crushed because he doing it now and madara can use gedo mazo to he has rinnegan right shira tensei>S/t jutsu so gtfoh your little warp thing is pathetic even if does warp him he will not die your making tobi look pathetic edo madara wins this

I'm not going to bother with a moron like you. You act like the clones are these super godly beings. Chibaku Tensei and a roar from Gedo Mazo should be enough to take out those 1/25th chakra clones.

 

[-Liquid Cefka-]

I just say this. They have the same techniques except for Mokuton and (Susano'o can easily be defeated I'll address it if necessary - ask Gaara), so what you're saying is that Madara's Mokuton is > Tobi. I think ST negates this.

You also say the Madara can wrestle the Bijuu out of Tobi's control. How so? Now you're saying that Madara's genjutsu can just out-control Tobi's genjutsu on Bijuu and who are you to say that?

Tobi still wins.

Pls, address the the thing about Gaara.

The Mokuton is to supress the Bijuu, not harm Tobi. Read. My. Posts.

And yes, Madara can wrestle control of the Bijuu with his Sharingan. His Mokuton and Sharingan makes him perfect to handle the Bijuu. Not only are the clones made of Mokuton, he can make dozens at once, AND they can still cast Genjutsu.

 

[Nidaime Pupil]

haha both spellings are acceptable actually according to Harvard University but I appreciate the genius comment, thank you. You repeatedly made the your mistake so I had to point it out. Sorry that stuff pisses me off and several people do much worse I just decided to correct you so I guess I am a grammar nazi.

You haven't said exactly how Madara defeats Tobi. It is very simple, he may be able to counter some of Tobi's extra weapons but his S/T defeats all. Like I said it's very simple. He warps Madara and is intangible to the rest. U_U He can counter any Rinnegan techs if he needs to which he doesn't because he also has the same techniques.

 

[TobisPawn]

Pls, address the the thing about Gaara.

The Mokuton is to supress the Bijuu, not harm Tobi. Read. My. Posts.

And yes, Madara can wrestle control of the Bijuu with his Sharingan. His Mokuton and Sharingan makes him perfect to handle the Bijuu. Not only are the clones made of Mokuton, he can make dozens at once, AND they can still cast Genjutsu.

Tobi can pull the bijuu inside Gedo Mazo; Madara can't take control of them.

And we have yet to see how good his clones actually are, reasserting the fact that Tobi and Madara both haven't shown their actual power yet.