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[LeSauce]

I. Yeah it contradicts the manga when everything proven before that does not exist.
II. No, you are far from incorrect here.
"Sasuke says he can achieve immortality"

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"I'll surely be able to find some way"

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"Reincarnation ability immortality, ... I have numerous options"

The problem with both those statements is Madara found a way to become immortal, the same way Sasuke thought he could achieve. Except, Indra had left Madara and found Sasuke at some point in time, which also conflicts Sasuke's theory in which he thinks he can become immortal. So, yeah, what are you stating again?

No where in the manga has it stated that Preta path will not work woth Susano'o. Yet there's proof that Sasuke can use paths with his Susano'o. Preta is a path.

What? Reincarnation is something that happens, and Sasuke knew that. He mentioned immortality because he was sure that he had immortality as an option as well.

We don't know what Sasuke was thinking about when he said he could achieve immortality. It could have been the same as Madara, but it also could not have.

Seriously, Sasuke says something and then people think he's going to be lying. For what reason?

 

[lndra]

No where in the manga has it stated that Preta path will not work woth Susano'o. Yet there's proof that Sasuke can use paths with his Susano'o. Preta is a path.

What? Reincarnation is something that happens, and Sasuke knew that. He mentioned immortality because he was sure that he had immortality as an option as well.

We don't know what Sasuke was thinking about when he said he could achieve immortality. It could have been the same as Madara, but it also could not have.

I. Debunked that ages ago: Databook already disagrees with you: PP cannot work with Susano'o

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Anyway, the Manga already proved that PP would not work with Susano'o. Go back a page and find the Madara scans when he absorbed Jinton.


II. Do you want the viz scan? It already implied how he wanted to achieve that, through the Rinnegan and reincarnation. Which both have been debunked through Madara's example.

It does not matter what Sasuke "is/was" thinking, because achieving true immortality is something of Kaguya's expertise alone (and Hidan).

My boy Volk handles your last sentence quite well I must say.

As I said to others, feats are the only things that matter, hypothetical powers are at best assumption and it's up to kishi to allow it. Many of great theorists and their theories were debunked for kishi's way.

 

[antwquan]

I. Debunked that ages ago: Databook already disagrees with you: PP cannot work with Susano'o

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Anyway, the Manga already proved that PP would not work with Susano'o. Go back a page and find the Madara scans when he absorbed Jinton.


II. Do you want the viz scan? It already implied how he wanted to achieve that, through the Rinnegan and reincarnation. Which both have been debunked through Madara's example.

It does not matter what Sasuke "is/was" thinking, because achieving true immortality is something of Kaguya's expertise alone (and Hidan).

My boy Volk handles your last sentence quite well I must say.

That scan doesn't debunk anything really.

 

[lndra]

That scan doesn't debunk anything really.

Read the first sentence. "The jutsu causes the body's chakra circulation to flow in reverse ..."
Now ask yourself how one can create, maintain, and form a ninjutsu with the chakra circulation flow in reverse. Next, Madara already proved that PP and Susano'o don't mix. Do you want those scans, too?

 

[Amaterasu]

Read the first sentence. "The jutsu causes the body's chakra circulation to flow in reverse ..."
Now ask yourself how one can create, maintain, and form a ninjutsu with the chakra circulation flow in reverse. Next, Madara already proved that PP and Susano'o don't mix. Do you want those scans, too?

I personally thought it was the opponent chakra who flows in reverse ? I agree with the Madara part.

 

[lndra]

I personally thought it was the opponent chakra who flows in reverse ? I agree with the Madara part.

I sorta see what you are saying. It doesn't really make sense because PP has feats of absorbing ninjutsu alone without having physical contact.

 

[LeSauce]

I. Debunked that ages ago: Databook already disagrees with you: PP cannot work with Susano'o

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Anyway, the Manga already proved that PP would not work with Susano'o. Go back a page and find the Madara scans when he absorbed Jinton.


II. Do you want the viz scan? It already implied how he wanted to achieve that, through the Rinnegan and reincarnation. Which both have been debunked through Madara's example.

It does not matter what Sasuke "is/was" thinking, because achieving true immortality is something of Kaguya's expertise alone (and Hidan).

My boy Volk handles your last sentence quite well I must say.

Manga>DB in terms of canon, and Manga says it can be done. This is where your contradiction info comes into play. New info>Old info.

It had something else to do with other than Susano'o. Madara already used both here :

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. It's not like Madara was using Susano'o at the same time anyway, so it has nothing to do with the conversation.

Also, Sasuke isn't Madara.

It's not theory, nor is up to you to decide whether or not Sasuke could do it. Sasuke said he could do it, therefore Kishi said he could do it. Unless he retracts it later, then he can be immortal.

Just like Hidan was completely immortal until we knew what he had to do to stay that way. As well as Kakuzo.

 

[lndra]

Manga>DB in terms of canon, and Manga says it can be done. This is where your contradiction info comes into play. New info>Old info.

It had something else to do with other than Susano'o. Madara already used both here :

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. It's not like Madara was using Susano'o at the same time anyway, so it has nothing to do with the conversation.

Also, Sasuke isn't Madara.

It's not theory, nor is up to you to decide whether or not Sasuke could do it. Sasuke said he could do it, therefore Kishi said he could do it. Unless he retracts it later, then he can be immortal.

Just like Hidan was completely immortal until we knew what he had to do to stay that way. As well as Kakuzo.

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I. Manga > DB. Correct, let's see what the manga has to say:

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II. Madara was thrown out of his Susano'o which then absorbed his FRS. You are correct New info > old info. Considering the fact that the manga scan I posted above happened after the scan you linked, proves my point yet again.

III. Sadly, you still are incorrect. The manga contradicts itself all the time, and yet you are failing to see the subjective answer here. Sasuke implies that he can achieve immortality through the Rinnegan because now he has it's power. Which already was debunked by Madara, and the only person to ever hold such abilities is Kaguya. Sadly, the only thing we know is that she probably holds every single doujutsu, and she also has the Senjutsu of the Juubi as-well. Considering she is a Juubi Jin.

 

[LeSauce]

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I. Manga > DB. Correct, let's see what the manga has to say:

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II. Madara was thrown out of his Susano'o which then absorbed his FRS. You are correct New info > old info. Considering the fact that the manga scan I posted above happened after the scan you linked, proves my point yet again.

III. Sadly, you still are incorrect. The manga contradicts itself all the time, and yet you are failing to see the subjective answer here. Sasuke implies that he can achieve immortality through the Rinnegan because now he has it's power. Which already was debunked by Madara, and the only person to ever hold such abilities is Kaguya. Sadly, the only thing we know is that she probably holds every single doujutsu, and she also has the Senjutsu of the Juubi as-well. Considering she is a Juubi Jin.

Did it say he can't use both at the same time? Are you absolutely sure that it wasn't because he already had 25 clones with Susano'o that hindered him from being able to use any jutsu? That would honestly make more sense considering his edo body still has a limit to what he could do.

And Kurama said Ninjutsu can be used. Susano'o is ninjutsu isn't it?

Is that your explanation or Kishi's? Did Kishi go to your house and tell you it wasn't possible?

 

[V h o]

I personally thought it was the opponent chakra who flows in reverse ? I agree with the Madara part.

Nope. According to DB explanation, the user's chakra flow is going in reverse, which then sucks the opponents chakra. They become like a chakra vacuum Lol

 

[lndra]

Did it say he can't use both at the same time? Are you absolutely sure that it wasn't because he already had 25 clones with Susano'o that hindered him from being able to use any jutsu? That would honestly make more sense considering his edo body still has a limit to what he could do.

And Kurama said Ninjutsu can be used. Susano'o is ninjutsu isn't it?

Is that your explanation or Kishi's? Did Kishi go to your house and tell you it wasn't possible?

I. Yes, I'm absolutely sure. In fact I doubled check it at least 6 times to make sure I was not wrong. The Madara who absorbed or tried to absorb the Jinton, never had Susano'o activated. The only one's who did were his wood clones, which got destroyed in the process. I can link you to the manga chapter if you want?

II. It requires chakra, unlike most path techniques. Unless you are trying to say that Susano'o isn't chakra

III. I already proved why it isn't possible. One person with no proof saying they can do something =/= One person with the exact same requirements who actually performed it with resultls

 

[antwquan]

Read the first sentence. "The jutsu causes the body's chakra circulation to flow in reverse ..."
Now ask yourself how one can create, maintain, and form a ninjutsu with the chakra circulation flow in reverse. Next, Madara already proved that PP and Susano'o don't mix. Do you want those scans, too?

Madara was thrown out of susano'o though that's why no one could tell not to mention he had fake Rinnegan and kurama proved Sasuke can't use said jutsus with Rinnegan because it was still new.

Fake Rinnegan a user can't use it's full potential

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[LeSauce]

I. Yes, I'm absolutely sure. In fact I doubled check it at least 6 times to make sure I was not wrong. The Madara who absorbed or tried to absorb the Jinton, never had Susano'o activated. The only one's who did were his wood clones, which got destroyed in the process. I can link you to the manga chapter if you want?

II. It requires chakra, unlike most path techniques. Unless you are trying to say that Susano'o isn't chakra

III. I already proved why it isn't possible. One person with no proof saying they can do something =/= One person with the exact same requirements who actually performed it with resultls

What are ypu talking about? Madara didn't have it activated, yes, but what i'm talking about is having both used at the same time. It was shown possible against the RS, and it was never discredited.

Every other ninjutsu is chakra, yet Kurama said it was possible.

Your proof doesn't matter against the author. Kishi could give Bolt the Rinnegan without explaining it and it would be canon, no matter how much proof you had against it.

 

[lndra]

What are ypu talking about? Madara didn't have it activated, yes, but what i'm talking about is having both used at the same time. It was shown possible against the RS, and it was never discredited.

Every other ninjutsu is chakra, yet Kurama said it was possible.

Your proof doesn't matter against the author. Kishi could give Bolt the Rinnegan without explaining it and it would be canon, no matter how much proof you had against it.

I. Your answered your own question. "Madara didn't have it activated" but "What I'm talking about is having both used at the same time"

How could he use them both at the same time, when he did not even have it activated?

II. Some. Yeah, manga says a lot of things. I already debunked that with the PP chakra activation.

III. Exactly. There is no proof it can happen, except the character's words stating so. When in fact a Character who is much like the character who stated that he/she can perform said-so task, did it and gave us the results.

That's exactly why I quoted Volk:
"As I said to others, feats are the only things that matter, hypothetical powers are at best assumption and it's up to kishi to allow it. Many of great theorists and their theories were debunked for kishi's way."

 

[LeSauce]

I. Your answered your own question. "Madara didn't have it activated" but "What I'm talking about is having both used at the same time"

How could he use them both at the same time, when he did not even have it activated?

II. Some. Yeah, manga says a lot of things. I already debunked that with the PP chakra activation.

III. Exactly. There is no proof it can happen, except the character's words stating so. When in fact a Character who is much like the character who stated that he/she can perform said-so task, did it and gave us the results.

That's exactly why I quoted Volk:
"As I said to others, feats are the only things that matter, hypothetical powers are at best assumption and it's up to kishi to allow it. Many of great theorists and their theories were debunked for kishi's way."

Madara never said he couldn't use both at the same time. He did it against the RS, and against the 5 kages he never said he couldn't. You keep talking about hings i'm not even arguing against, like whether he had Susano'o active or not.

You keep mentioning the same thing when Kurama already proved all of that wrong. Manga>DB, manga says and shows it's possible to use ninjutsu with it and can be used while Susano'o is in use, respectively.

The proof is that he freakin' said he could. You keep complicating things to try and make it seem like you're right. You realize he's agreeing by saying that it's only possible if Kishi allows it, right? Kishi is the one who wrote it so ofcourse he allowed it.

Like I said, if Kishi said Bolt could get Rinnegan, then he can.

Madara never said he was immortal until he was a Juubi jin.

 

[lndra]

Madara never said he couldn't use both at the same time. He did it against the RS, and against the 5 kages he never said he couldn't. You keep talking about hings i'm not even arguing against, like whether he had Susano'o active or not.

You keep mentioning the same thing when Kurama already proved all of that wrong. Manga>DB, manga says and shows it's possible to use ninjutsu with it and can be used while Susano'o is in use, respectively.

The proof is that he freakin' said he could. You keep complicating things to try and make it seem like you're right. You realize he's agreeing by saying that it's only possible if Kishi allows it, right? Kishi is the one who wrote it so ofcourse he allowed it.

Like I said, if Kishi said Bolt could get Rinnegan, then he can.

Madara never said he was immortal until he was a Juubi jin.

I. He implied that because he had sent 'Susano'o' out that his 'absorption' did not make on time. Which both are double negatives because he never even activated Susano'o on his real body.

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II. You are right Manga > DB. Yet you cannot find one scan of Preta Path using ninjutsu simultaneously? What I'm telling you is that Human Path was not a ninjutsu technique, like most ninjutsu techniques are. Hell, even PP was activated by Sasuke when his chakra was depleted.

III. Incorrect. You are talking about false information, and you are trying to make it seem as if Sasuke 'knows' everything about his Rinnegan. When he activated PP for the first time, what was Sasuke's reaction? "This must be a Rinnegan ability, with this, victory is certain!"

Yet you are trying to state that Sasuke has reliable intel on how to become immortal in which Madara, Hagoromo, etc (other Rinnegan users) have failed to do so? The fact is, immortality with the Rinnegan is possible, and Madara showed us how that is so. Any reason of trying to expand on that knowledge by a teenager who gained the power vs. an Adult male who had time to understand it, is just poor readers comprehension.

 

[LeSauce]

I. He implied that because he had sent 'Susano'o' out that his 'absorption' did not make on time. Which both are double negatives because he never even activated Susano'o on his real body.

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II. You are right Manga > DB. Yet you cannot find one scan of Preta Path using ninjutsu simultaneously? What I'm telling you is that Human Path was not a ninjutsu technique, like most ninjutsu techniques are. Hell, even PP was activated by Sasuke when his chakra was depleted.

III. Incorrect. You are talking about false information, and you are trying to make it seem as if Sasuke 'knows' everything about his Rinnegan. When he activated PP for the first time, what was Sasuke's reaction? "This must be a Rinnegan ability, with this, victory is certain!"

Yet you are trying to state that Sasuke has reliable intel on how to become immortal in which Madara, Hagoromo, etc (other Rinnegan users) have failed to do so? The fact is, immortality with the Rinnegan is possible, and Madara showed us how that is so. Any reason of trying to expand on that knowledge by a teenager who gained the power vs. an Adult male who had time to understand it, is just poor readers comprehension.

Why do keep bringing the same scan and saying the same things? Kurama himself said it was possible. It doesn't matter if there are any feats because he said it could happen.

Madara had already used Preta while Susano'o was active before. He didn't directly state that he can't use Susano'o and Preta at the same time. He could have simply been talking about the Susano'o having used too much chakra. Doesn't matter anyway because Kurama said it was possible. New info>Old info.

False information? You're saying that he doesn't have full knowledge on the Rinnegan when he has it and was able to use a technique no one's ever seen off the bat? How did Sasuke know about that?

No one else tried to be immortal but Sasuke. Is reincarnation just BS Sasuke's spouting too?

Kishi had him do it to show that he had a plan. It might of been contradictory to everything else, but Kishi needed something to make Naruto want to fight him, and he had him say it.

 

[V h o]

Are we using hype? I can post my Prime Rikuzen scans yes? I haven't posted them in a while. Resistance has finally dropped

 

[lndra]

Why do keep bringing the same scan and saying the same things? Kurama himself said it was possible. It doesn't matter if there are any feats because he said it could happen.

Madara had already used Preta while Susano'o was active before. He didn't directly state that he can't use Susano'o and Preta at the same time. He could have simply been talking about the Susano'o having used too much chakra. Doesn't matter anyway because Kurama said it was possible. New info>Old info.

False information? You're saying that he doesn't have full knowledge on the Rinnegan when he has it and was able to use a technique no one's ever seen off the bat? How did Sasuke know about that?

No one else tried to be immortal but Sasuke. Is reincarnation just BS Sasuke's spouting too?

Kishi had him do it to show that he had a plan. It might of been contradictory to everything else, but Kishi needed something to make Naruto want to fight him, and he had him say it.

I. Because you are stating that it is possible when the manga rebukes that idea completely. Not to mention Viz Scan Kurama implies something totally different, but not totally off.

II. Not a chance. Madara only activated PP when Jinton was enhanced by Tsunade's chakra. There was no before or after, it happened right at the exact time. Mind us, that Madara was not near any Susano'o's when the blast radius hit.

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Tsunade's chakra ftw.

III. Exactly. Sasuke knows nothing about his Rinnegan.

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Kishimoto stated that because Sasuke needed a reliable way to keep his Revolution idea looking far less stupid than it already did. Already proved that Rinnegan's immortal theory was tested by a Rinnegan/Indra transmigrate Uchiha same as Sasuke. Nothing implies that Sasuke has more knowledge of his Rinnegan than Madara did.

So, yeah.

 

[antwquan]

I. Because you are stating that it is possible when the manga rebukes that idea completely. Not to mention Viz Scan Kurama implies something totally different, but not totally off.

II. Not a chance. Madara only activated PP when Jinton was enhanced by Tsunade's chakra. There was no before or after, it happened right at the exact time. Mind us, that Madara was not near any Susano'o's when the blast radius hit.

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Tsunade's chakra ftw.

III. Exactly. Sasuke knows nothing about his Rinnegan.

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Kishimoto stated that because Sasuke needed a reliable way to keep his Revolution idea looking far less stupid than it already did. Already proved that Rinnegan's immortal theory was tested by a Rinnegan/Indra transmigrate Uchiha same as Sasuke. Nothing implies that Sasuke has more knowledge of his Rinnegan than Madara did.

So, yeah.

That scan actually shows that Sasuke knows about his Rinnegan abilities if anything it shows him telling Naruto it's one of his abilities he don't seem surprised at all