Pp and st

[DHOH]

Also, I don't know what you are arguing or whats to debate about.

Indra and his millions of assumptions on what the PP can do.

 

[Urda]

Indra and his millions of assumptions on what the PP can do.

Huh? It was only shown one thing from the Manga - Absorption. :|

Countering is by fighting it against Taijutsu or nullifying its effects with another absorption ability such as Hashirama with his Wood Dragon.

 

[lndra]

So why did the tailed beasts call it fake? Cause as an edo it was fake.

Bring manga scans from Viz

1. Correct, but it's not like a attempt was made and failed.
2. No. You showed me a interpertation that I disagree with.
3. Lol yea, that was never my arguement but the manga disagree with you.
4. Again, that was never my arguement.

My thread is to bring databook proof to the table, not opinions. Assumptions and speculations.

> The manga never shows PP using used with ninjutsu. Show me the manga scans?

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Thing is, I don't need a scan when Kurama already said he could use them both at the same time.

Also, your first sentence has nothing to do with the rest, but mmk.

Thing is, you do.

The manga has never shown the ability of PP used in conjunction with other ninjutsu abilities besides Human path. Mind everyone that Sasuke utilized a Petra Path when his chakra was already too depleted.
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> Databook already disagrees with you DHOH as you wanted: PP cannot be used or other techs (besides Paths) due to the principle of reverse chakra flow.

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So is anyone going to show me a scan of PP being used with Ninjutsu? Because apparently Kurama stated that his Rinnegan isn't new and it isn't putting out his ninjutsu at the same time, yet they can't decipher if it means "Putting out the technique" or "Releasing". Not to mention, Kurama became a Rinnegan master overnight.

/Taps chin ...

 

[maniaoqan]

Huh? It was only shown one thing from the Manga - Absorption. :|

Countering is by fighting it against Taijutsu or nullifying its effects with another absorption ability such as Hashirama with his Wood Dragon.

They're debating whether user can use PP along with other ninjutsu such as chidori at the same time or not.

Which in my opinion not possible, if that was the case Madara wouldn't got hit by Jinton when he and his clones released Susano'o.

 

[DHOH]

Huh? It was only shown one thing from the Manga - Absorption. :|

Countering is by fighting it against Taijutsu or nullifying its effects with another absorption ability such as Hashirama with his Wood Dragon.

Lol the problem/ debate is on how much it can absorb, or what type of chakra it can absorb, or limits to how much it can absorb.

 

[Zealous Sparks]

Preta Path in the manga:

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See that is the tricky question. Because the Viz scan says something close to that:

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The problem is, is that it goes against what Preta Path has shown being able to do in the manga. Both non-originated eyes, and originated eyes.

From what is shown in the obvious, in the manga scan. It possibly says "Sasuke cannot absorb the chakra of other techniques, while simultaneously turning off his own ninjusu techniques"

Susanoo cannot be used or other techs (besides Paths) due to the principle of reverse chakra flow.

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Take a closer look at the context of that scan.

1) Kurama notes Sasuke incorporating Enton into the Chidori and that he was trying to finish the fight with that blast.
2) Next he tells Naruto to wait until the last minute to activate his jutsu lest any more chakra be absorbed.
3) He reconsiders his statement and says that Sasuke won't be able to use PP currently with his Rinnegan while simultaneously putting out his own jutsu.

There would be no reason for Kurama to warn Naruto about getting his chakra absorbed if he knew that it wasn't possible while the Enton Chidori was out.

As for Susano'o, Madara made it clear when he failed to absorb Ohnoki's boosted Jinton that Susano'o impedes Preta's use [

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] when he previously had no trouble doing so [

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]; as to what degree, I couldn't say.

 

[DHOH]

They're debating whether user can use PP along with other ninjutsu such as chidori at the same time or not.

Which in my opinion not possible, if that was the case Madara wouldn't got hit by Jinton when he and his clones released Susano'o.

That's not my arguement..

 

[iNotorious]

I. It did when the user gained a Rinnegan

II. Except the manga proves otherwise. I already shown the limits here:

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Madara vs Yoton Rasengna: "Notice how he gets scared and tries to run away. When we all know damn well what the Rinnegan can do"

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Show me proof that it can surpass near this limit, or above it.^


Preta Path in the manga:

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See that is the tricky question. Because the Viz scan says something close to that:

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The problem is, is that it goes against what Preta Path has shown being able to do in the manga. Both non-originated eyes, and originated eyes.

From what is shown in the obvious, in the manga scan. It possibly says "Sasuke cannot absorb the chakra of other techniques, while simultaneously turning off his own ninjusu techniques"

Susanoo cannot be used or other techs (besides Paths) due to the principle of reverse chakra flow.

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It does not correlate with the manga at all, that is what I'm stating here.

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Those aren't limits Madara had a fake Rinnegan at that time and couldn't even use it's full power.
2nd scan Madara just fought GAI and was nearly dead it's not that he couldn't but chose not to in a weakened state like that who would

''Weakened state''

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[lndra]

Take a closer look at the context of that scan.

1) Kurama notes Sasuke incorporating Enton into the Chidori and that he was trying to finish the fight with that blast.
2) Next he tells Naruto to wait until the last minute to activate his jutsu lest any more chakra be absorbed.
3) He reconsiders his statement and says that Sasuke won't be able to use PP currently with his Rinnegan while simultaneously putting out his own jutsu.

There would be no reason for Kurama to warn Naruto about getting his chakra absorbed if he knew that it wasn't possible while the Enton Chidori was out.

As for Susano'o, Madara made it clear when he failed to absorb Ohnoki's boosted Jinton that Susano'o impedes Preta's use [

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] when he previously had no trouble doing so [

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]; as to what degree, I couldn't say.

Just wanted to make everyone clear: DHOH, LeSauce, etc I'm not stating that Kurama is wrong in which PP cannot absorb Ninjutsu while it's using ninjutsu abilities. What I'm saying to you both, or more, is that PP has never shown the ability to DO SO. That's the argument here. Anyway.

See that's exactly what I meant Sparks. It's almost as if, Kurama was implying that Sasuke could of put out his own ninjutsu, and absorbed Naruto's Rasengan. Instead of ultimately clashing with them together. That's what I got from the gist of his understanding of the Rinnegan's abilities in that terms of absorbing and "putting out".

Agreed.

 

[To Whatever]

Indra destroyed this thread.

 

[iNotorious]

Bring manga scans from Viz


> The manga never shows PP using used with ninjutsu. Show me the manga scans?

Look below


Thing is, you do.

The manga has never shown the ability of PP using in conjunction with other ninjutsu abilities besides Human path. Mind everyone that Sasuke utilized a Petra Path when his chakra was already too depleted.
Scan:

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> Databook already disagrees with you DHOH as you wanted: Susanoo cannot be used or other techs (besides Paths) due to the principle of reverse chakra flow.

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So is anyone going to show me a scan of PP being used with Ninjutsu? Because apparently Kurama stated that his Rinnegan isn't new and it isn't putting out his ninjutsu at the same time, yet they can't decipher if it means "Putting out the technique" or "Releasing". Not to mention, Kurama became a Rinnegan master overnight.

/Taps chin ...

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You might be right.

 

[Narutohokage324]

Indra drink some water and relax. Too much solo posts XD

 

[V h o]

Preta Path:

A endless whirlpool that sucks away every jutsu

The jutsu cause the body chakra circulation to flow in reverse, sucking away the jutsu of the target.. The absorbed chakra disperses in side the body, and the power is sucked away as if into a bottomless swamp

Every jutsu regardless of its chakra properties is sucked away and rendered ineffective

So when someone says "it has a limit"' I'll say 'bottomless swamp'.
When someone says "it can't absorb Naruto's super omega resengan", I'll say 'sucks away every jutsu'.
When someone says "can't absorb sage chakra or he will turn to stone", I'll say 'every jutsu regardless of chakra properties is sucked away and rendered ineffective...

Shirna Tensei:

Invisible hand of God, that repels anything in creation!
Pain Tendou uses this jutsu, utilizing the generated from the users hands repulsive (gravity) force to repel targets away. The number of targets that can be repelled and their size are irrelevant. In addition by stopping the utilization of other Pain paths the amount of chakra put in the jutsu, its strength and area of effect can be greatly increased. With one strike of its power entire Konoha no sato (Konoha village) was turned to smoldering ash. But after this jutsu has been triggered there is a small five second window it can't be used again. The originating repulsion force generated by the power of all creation”shinra obiki” (something that binds all together,so likely gravitation) forces its targets to collide together with a great force and put out additional damage, combined together with the initial force (shock wave) it puts up even more damage. Only those who can manipulate all chakra transformation properties (seishitsu) legendary “Rinnegan” wielders are allowed to posses this jutsu that has all rights to be called “crystal-perfect”.
Picture: Its repulsion force is so strong that even ninjutsu and taijutsu are equally ineffective against this jutsu

Please don't come with Nagato weakens state and weaker chakra to compare what Sasuke could do with this jutsu..

Databook facts, not some assumptions and opinions..

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Temari solos neg diff.

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Temari (テマリ)

Heading: Everything blown away by an extreme whirlwind!

By holding her folding fan, she can create a sudden gust of wind. Blocking the way of her opponents and ridding of them. Towards other people, when it comes to touching (as in fight contact/experience), she is talented woman during fierce battles.**With Shikamaru, heading towards/discovering the nature of the founding of the next era, they decided in making new, shared/joint Shinobi borders/lands.

Ninja registration number: 53-004
Birthday: 23rd August (20 years old, Virgo)
Height: 165.0 cm Weight: 47.9 kg Blood type: O
Personality: TBA


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Temari (テマリ)

Heading: The fierce whirlwind that blows away all the universe!

She creates gusts using the fan in her hands, wiping out those who stand in her way from a distance! As a talented woman who is rarely moved by anyone, she discovers Shikamaru’s potential to be the foundation of an era, and is determined to create a new Ninja world with him.

↑ As a supporter of the young Kazekage, and as Gaara’s sister, she leads the advance of the Allied Shinobi.

Ninja registration number: 53-004
Birthday: 23rd Аугуст (20 years old, Virgo)
Height: 165.0 cm Weight: 47.9 kg Blood type: O
Personality: Bold, prudent

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[DHOH]

Indra drink some water and relax. Too much solo posts XD

What I do respect about Indra is he stand his own ground and don't result to cop out name calling..

On topic I think I made my point.

Databook facts
Databook facts
Databook facts

Temari solos neg diff.

If it's not contradicted by the manga, it's just as good.. Lol

I respect you too mate, thanks.

Anyway, so because Kurama stated one thing, and the manga stated another. I'm probably just going to take it as an half-correct statement. Because some factors apply to whether or not this can be true, and the same factors apply to whether or not it is isn't.

So until the new series/movie show it. I'll just believe what I believe from the manga, but again, this is my own opinion.

Im sure we've seen the best of Sasuke and whatever is left to uncover,won't be..

What about using Susanoo and ST instead of PP?

 

[Zealous Sparks]

Just wanted to make everyone clear: DHOH, LeSauce, etc I'm not stating that Kurama is wrong in which PP cannot absorb Ninjutsu while it's using ninjutsu abilities. What I'm saying to you both, or more, is that PP has never shown the ability to DO SO. That's the argument here. Anyway.

See that's exactly what I meant Sparks. It's almost as if, Kurama was implying that Sasuke could of put out his own ninjutsu, and absorbed Naruto's Rasengan. Instead of ultimately clashing with them together. That's what I got from the gist of his understanding of the Rinnegan's abilities in that terms of absorbing and "putting out".

Agreed.

If we're not including the other Paths based on Transcendence's statement, then you'd be correct that it hasn't shown feats of absorbing whilst actively using another ninjutsu. Perhaps Kurama meant it in the way that Naruto shouldn't unleash his jutsu until right before the clash as to avoid the possibility of Sasuke cancelling his jutsu and absorbing the technique.

 

[Narutohokage324]

What I do respect about Indra is he stand his own ground and don't result to cop out name calling..

On topic I think I made my point.

I let my emotions get the better of me. Sorry...

 

[antwquan]

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''Weakened state''

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-_- So Madara was fully healed and 100% when that happened? No he wasn't he even says he's not 100% he questioned himself as to why Naruto could dodged limbo and cut him in half

 

[lndra]

What I do respect about Indra is he stand his own ground and don't result to cop out name calling..

On topic I think I made my point.

I respect you too mate, thanks.

Anyway, so because Kurama stated one thing, and the manga stated another. I'm probably just going to take it as an half-correct statement. Because some factors apply to whether or not this can be true, and the same factors apply to whether or not it is isn't.

So until the new series/movie show it. I'll just believe what I believe from the manga, but again, this is my own opinion.

 

[DHOH]

I let my emotions get the better of me. Sorry...

It's cool..

OT : a lot of talk about PP What about ST??

 

[lndra]

Im sure we've seen the best of Sasuke and whatever is left to uncover,won't be..

What about using Susanoo and ST instead of PP?

I'm heading to sleep right now. Message me your question and/or add me as-well. I'll try to answer your question to the best of my ability tomorrow.

Off Topic; Ciao everyone