Post final: Madara vs kaguya : Vs hagoromo/hamura : Vs peak old naruto& peakold sasuk
Madara vs Kaguya:
Kishi said Madara was the strongest and unbeatable = fact. He had to use plot to rationalize his defeat, that being Black Zetsu. People forget one thing... it was KAGUYA who created Black Zetsu, one could say it is an extension of her and it even rested in her sleeves, so I'd consider them one and Black Zetsu guess what, pwned Madara. So Kaguya > Madara in terms of pure power. In terms of battle experience and skill, it's Madara, no one is better in that department, Madara was essentially a war-machine, he spent his youth on battlefield.
Kaguya is the very strongest, only Six Paths: Chibaku Tensei can get rid of her. It took both Hagoromo and Hamura to beat her and ONLY thanks to said technique. Hagoromo somehow later on got both parts of it. But would Hagoromo be able to fight and seal Kaguya? Answer: no. He was a priest and he needed help from Hamura when they both were young, I pretty much doubt grandpa Hagoromo if alive would be able to counter her, being old and all.
Kaguya wins, unless Madara attains both six path yin and yang powers, like Hagoromo somehow could (after all, Madara had almost Hagoromo's power), and I’m not even sure if whether one person has both powers, can they seal Kaguya, or two persons are needed to use the powers individually...or unless Madara knows/creates some other method of sealing Kaguya
Madara vs. Hagoromo/Hamura:
Madara has a chance to win, as even though Hagoromo and Hamura possibly have had more chakra and also some great/unique techniques (not necessarily offensive /defensive techniques), they were more of sages than shinobis and they existed at a time when ninjutsu was much less developed (though they battled TT and sealed Kaguya together). Madara was born at a time (a competitive and warring era, where individuals strived to hone their skills and battle for glory) when ninjutsu was vastly developed, was decently trained, had seen and participated in a great deal of wars and battled with great shinobis gaining practical/public/secret knowledge and strategic and tactical warfare experience - not to mention, at his peak, his power level was almost at par with Hagoromo's. At his peak, he has a chance of beating them one on one
Madara vs. Naruto/Sasuke:
Madara himself claimed that even with Naruto & Sasuke receiving six path powers, he had both of theirs power combined (while we do not have to necessarily take him at his word literally, but he was right to a certain extent). While battling both of them (included being also attacked/distracted in between by other shinobis), Madara was more concerned with activating mugen tsukuyomi than killing them, and after he obtained both rinnegan + absorbed the tree completely + rinne sharingan...shortly later he was killed by Zetsu. He hadn't even begun his proper full and direct attack on Naruto and Sasuke after attaining everything he could. Post mugen tsukuyomi activation, (and with all minor pieces outta the picture, and attainment of his goal) we didn’t even get to see his peak powers, that leaves a lot of scope for Madara
Oh and for Naruto or anyone who doesn't possess a rinnegan (don't know whether the tenseigan can dispel it) with Mugen Tsukuyomi dispelling powers--- on a one to one fight to the death, Madara just has to send his limbos to deal with and distract them, and activate the Infinite Tsukuyomi + Nativity of god trees for a short time ...till the complete chakra of the opponent escalates quickly, leaving behind a white zetsu (Unless they fight on a moonless dimension/planet) :yeah:
Madara vs Kaguya:
Kishi said Madara was the strongest and unbeatable = fact. He had to use plot to rationalize his defeat, that being Black Zetsu. People forget one thing... it was KAGUYA who created Black Zetsu, one could say it is an extension of her and it even rested in her sleeves, so I'd consider them one and Black Zetsu guess what, pwned Madara. So Kaguya > Madara in terms of pure power. In terms of battle experience and skill, it's Madara, no one is better in that department, Madara was essentially a war-machine, he spent his youth on battlefield.
Kaguya is the very strongest, only Six Paths: Chibaku Tensei can get rid of her. It took both Hagoromo and Hamura to beat her and ONLY thanks to said technique. Hagoromo somehow later on got both parts of it. But would Hagoromo be able to fight and seal Kaguya? Answer: no. He was a priest and he needed help from Hamura when they both were young, I pretty much doubt grandpa Hagoromo if alive would be able to counter her, being old and all.
Kaguya wins, unless Madara attains both six path yin and yang powers, like Hagoromo somehow could (after all, Madara had almost Hagoromo's power), and I’m not even sure if whether one person has both powers, can they seal Kaguya, or two persons are needed to use the powers individually...or unless Madara knows/creates some other method of sealing Kaguya
Madara vs. Hagoromo/Hamura:
Madara has a chance to win, as even though Hagoromo and Hamura possibly have had more chakra and also some great/unique techniques (not necessarily offensive /defensive techniques), they were more of sages than shinobis and they existed at a time when ninjutsu was much less developed (though they battled TT and sealed Kaguya together). Madara was born at a time (a competitive and warring era, where individuals strived to hone their skills and battle for glory) when ninjutsu was vastly developed, was decently trained, had seen and participated in a great deal of wars and battled with great shinobis gaining practical/public/secret knowledge and strategic and tactical warfare experience - not to mention, at his peak, his power level was almost at par with Hagoromo's. At his peak, he has a chance of beating them one on one
Madara vs. Naruto/Sasuke:
Madara himself claimed that even with Naruto & Sasuke receiving six path powers, he had both of theirs power combined (while we do not have to necessarily take him at his word literally, but he was right to a certain extent). While battling both of them (included being also attacked/distracted in between by other shinobis), Madara was more concerned with activating mugen tsukuyomi than killing them, and after he obtained both rinnegan + absorbed the tree completely + rinne sharingan...shortly later he was killed by Zetsu. He hadn't even begun his proper full and direct attack on Naruto and Sasuke after attaining everything he could. Post mugen tsukuyomi activation, (and with all minor pieces outta the picture, and attainment of his goal) we didn’t even get to see his peak powers, that leaves a lot of scope for Madara
Oh and for Naruto or anyone who doesn't possess a rinnegan (don't know whether the tenseigan can dispel it) with Mugen Tsukuyomi dispelling powers--- on a one to one fight to the death, Madara just has to send his limbos to deal with and distract them, and activate the Infinite Tsukuyomi + Nativity of god trees for a short time ...till the complete chakra of the opponent escalates quickly, leaving behind a white zetsu (Unless they fight on a moonless dimension/planet) :yeah:
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