Popular Myths and Untruths About Naruto

[AGoodBoy]

one thing i have noticed once or twice now... naruto seems to be getting really quick with going into sage mode...we have seen power render damage to susanoo (both madara's and sasuke's) .... using strong ninjutsu attacks cannot be defended with amaterasu, only physical (and even then if the person doesnt mind being on fire it doesnt absorb any of the force)... naruto is faster than sasuke... naruto's best defense is his awareness and durability (no im not saying he can take a direct hit from a weapon or peircing attack but blunt attacks yes)... naruto's biggest weakness against sasuke remains genjutsu (which is a game winner used properly)... u cannot cancel edo tensei to break free of it and become an immortal being, the most you can do is be broken from the control of it, u break the spell itself and u just turn to ash and a dead body...

1) Naruto still needs to meditate. In a fight against a high speed opponent, he has 0 chance to get into SM unless he distracts them. I'm not saying he can't, but he only has 5 minutes, and if he uses 2 Rasenshurikens, he's done.

2) We've never seen power destroy susano'o. Infact, that's a lie. It took hashi a buddha statue 20x bigger than PS to even take it out. We've only ever seen susano'o get cracked ribs at best in other situations. The only way of beating someone in susano'o is to just completely get around it - Genjutsu, Mei's Acid, Sealing, Something.

3) I don't know what you meant with ninjutsu attacks. I said naruto can't hit him without chakra arms or ninjutsu attacks because of enton. And FYI, Amaterasu can defend against strong ninjutsu attacks. The flames can eat/overpower other jutsu.

4) Speed means nothing when you can't touch your opponent or get through his defences - See Ay vs sasuke.

5) Makes no sense. His defence is awareness and durability? Really...? Then should I chock in Sharingan precognition as one of sasuke's defences? Cause that's better than awareness seeing as it basically slows down time for him. Like i said, Naruto's defence is kyuubi's cloak. It's his susano'o.

6) correct

7) I don't understand what you're talking about there. I said someone else has to cancel ET. Basically, Someone cancels ET and you re-summon yourself (like madara) so I don't know what you mean about turn to ash.

Conclussion: You didn't show how naruto =/= sasuke.

Please explain why kabuto didnt do it to itachi then

he was no longer under kabuto's direct control. The KA broke him free of Kabuto's ET, that's why kabuto desperately wanted to kunai tag him again, so he can regain all his Edo control.

 

[Sazzi]

1) Naruto still needs to meditate. In a fight against a high speed opponent, he has 0 chance to get into SM unless he distracts them. I'm not saying he can't, but he only has 5 minutes, and if he uses 2 Rasenshurikens, he's done.

2) We've never seen power destroy susano'o. Infact, that's a lie. It took hashi a buddha statue 20x bigger than PS to even take it out. We've only ever seen susano'o get cracked ribs at best in other situations. The only way of beating someone in susano'o is to just completely get around it - Genjutsu, Mei's Acid, Sealing, Something.

3) I don't know what you meant with ninjutsu attacks. I said naruto can't hit him without chakra arms or ninjutsu attacks because of enton. And FYI, Amaterasu can defend against strong ninjutsu attacks. The flames can eat/overpower other jutsu.

4) Speed means nothing when you can't touch your opponent or get through his defences - See Ay vs sasuke.

5) Makes no sense. His defence is awareness and durability? Really...? Then should I chock in Sharingan precognition as one of sasuke's defences? Cause that's better than awareness seeing as it basically slows down time for him. Like i said, Naruto's defence is kyuubi's cloak. It's his susano'o.

6) correct

7) I don't understand what you're talking about there. I said someone else has to cancel ET. Basically, Someone cancels ET and you re-summon yourself (like madara) so I don't know what you mean about turn to ash.

Conclussion: You didn't show how naruto =/= sasuke.


he was no longer under kabuto's direct control. The KA broke him free of Kabuto's ET, that's why kabuto desperately wanted to kunai tag him again, so he can regain all his Edo control.

now that is one ive argued many times over... ay vs sasuke... if gara had not steped in, i have the fullest confidence in saying the raikage would of killed sasuke in two more hits if not one (he would of lost a leg but sasuke would of still died, one hit and at the least susanoo would of dispelled,if not the guillotine drop would of went right though it, and the second hit that would of come afterward to finish the job if it wasnt already done).... so once again wen the speed has power which naruto has both, it is very hard to create a defense, and even harder to sustain it...

 

[ReeseKage]

Sorry…but I stopped reading after he said assume and bm naruto are equal. Neg rep me, report me, whatever. I lost interest after that absurd statement. :-(

 

[AGoodBoy]

now that is one ive argued many times over... ay vs sasuke... if gara had not steped in, i have the fullest confidence in saying the raikage would of killed sasuke in two more hits if not one (he would of lost a leg but sasuke would of still died, one hit and at the least susanoo would of dispelled,if not the guillotine drop would of went right though it, and the second hit that would of come afterward to finish the job if it wasnt already done).... so once again wen the speed has power which naruto has both, it is very hard to create a defense, and even harder to sustain it...

I thought so too, but thinking about it. Raikage never even broke through susano'o. What would have happened was he'd lose his leg and at best crack a few more of susano'o's ribs. Susano'o did tank a strength enhanced Ay, Tsunade, a lightning bolt, and a TBB after all. Ay would have actually just been a legless, armless limp by the end.

Before you say those were madara's susano'o's I'd like you to remember that the susano'o Ay had a hard time getting through was sasuke's first attempt and was in no way mastered. His susano'o ATM is actually a complete susano'o. It's basically a PS without the lower half, and without stabalized chakra, if you look at it carefully.

 

[Black Adam]

Thank you, Im so sick of people always trying to give excuses to how sasuke wins his fights. Sasuke recieved help defeating an enemy.............SO WHAT???? Okay Naruto recieves a lot of help too. Yet I don't hear anybody bi*ching about that. Sasuke ain't Superman for goodness sake.

Really?!..... could you please go one record....please, because according to some parties of this forum he is.....

 

[Draphsin]

Im not the author of Naruto IDK plot? It seems like it needed to happen for Brothers reunion because logically there is nothing stopping Kabuto from unsummoning Itachi.

Or maybe kabuto cant un-summon edos he's not in control of

he was no longer under kabuto's direct control. The KA broke him free of Kabuto's ET, that's why kabuto desperately wanted to kunai tag him again, so he can regain all his Edo control.

& how do we know that hashi didnt do the same thing ?

 

[AGoodBoy]

Or maybe kabuto cant un-summon edos he's not in control of



& how do we know that hashi didnt do the same thing ?

We don't. But, Really considering Madara could have only become free after the jutsu was released, if hashi did that... That's ridiculously OP. He should basically be called So6P or we'll learn he's actually the son of body...

 

[6thpathsage]

Or maybe kabuto cant un-summon edos he's not in control of

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Itachi although he was not under Kabuto's control , this still happened....This disproves your theory that i bolded. The contract is still active untill released like Madara did and Hashirama cannot release the contract because of my original post.

 

[bdm]

liked the point about bm>>ems

 

[bdm]

Naruto = Sasuke
It is complete and utter speculation that Naruto is above sasuke.

Brute force can't get through susano'o and we've explicitly seen a susano'o (madara's) tank a tbb.
Furthermore, Sasuke's susano'o fights primarily with Amaterasu. You have to fight 7 day fire while dodging high speed attacks and getting through impecable defence. Naruto's only defence is KCM.

A popular misconception is that naruto is OP when infact he has 8 minutes of BM (which takes a LONG time to recover) and 5 minutes of SM(if he ever actually gets time to meditate and go into it). Without these, he only has KCM, and that would be primarily used to keep himself from burning alive from amaterasu. For that matter, Naruto wouldn't be able to hit sasuke without chakra arms because of Enton Defence. Hitting him with anything but jutsu would be limb-suicide.

In conclussion, Naruto isn't above Sasuke and it's only speculation he is. We don't know how long Sasuke can hold Susano'o (especially since he shows no more strain with his EMS) and we don't know if he can evolve to the last stage (PS) with just a little more hate push.

Orochimaru's Edos
Orochimaru has complete control over his Edo's. People say hashi can break free but that is completely false.
Firstly, Orochimaru stated that he gave them free will. This means that they already have the ability to think whether or not they want to be controlled by ORo. If oro has to use them in a fight; Before awakening them, He'd implant Memory Tags into their necks like what was done before by both him and Kabuto. Hashi cannot break free of ET when he cannot think, and Orochimaru can use him as a mindless zombie again.

Kabuto Beat Itachi

This is the biggest misconception.

Firstly; Sasuke, Nor itachi wanted to kill the guy and infact never intended to. A simple amaterasu would completely shatter him as he wouldn't be able to hozuki or heal out of it. Furthermore, he'd have to oral rebirth, in which case he can be grabbed like before, and amaterasu'd again. There'd be absolutely no escape for him.

Secondly, The only times itachi got hurt was when he risked his immortal body to protect sasuke. If not for sasuke, itachi would literally have never gotten hurt. He'd simply use his susano'o on himself, or not jump infront of sasuke. For that matter, Sasuke did about nothing in that fight, yet kabuto could land not a single scratch on him. That is simply pathetic for a guy who is so overrated as being so strong.

Hydrification - It isn't always active and he was shown to be hurt and had to subsequently heal. Also, It isn't even true huzoki hydrification, but a modified one. He hasn't shown the ability to turn himself into a body of water like suigetsu.

White rage - Itachi was still able to use susano'o to protect sasuke even through this 'OP' jutsu that NB likes to camp on. This already throws this jutsu into the garbage can.

Tayuya's genjutsu - There is nothing stating itachi couldn't break out of the genjutsu on his own. For that matter, It is highly likely that he simply wanted to make sure sasuke would get out, and hence why he told sasuke to look into his eye - he never asked sasuke for help, or even hinted that sasuke needed to help him break out. Through the progression of the fight, and the way itachi literally blocked sasuke from every single one of kkabuto's jutsu, it goes to say that he simply wanted to make sure sasuke could get out as it would be wreckless to break his immortal body out, but leave his human brother immobile. Him knowing that he was clearly the better genjutsu user of the two solidifies any reason for him doubting whether sasuke could break out. This is solidified by the fact that even shikamaru broke out of the jutsu with one of the lowest techniques to break out of genjutsu - pain. Therefore, thinking someone of itachi's calibre, who can reverse genjutsu, can't break out of that kind of genjutsu (even when SM enhanced) is simply ridiculous. It took little effort for them to even break each other out. PAralysing genjutsu which doesn't affect any of the senses isn't that powerful.

Any of the other sound 5 jutsu - Blocked/Dodged effortlessly.

Muki tensei - Didn't even scratch sasuke. A dead guy completely defended the jutsu with only his body, therefore debunking it as any sort of OP jutsu.

In conclussion: The need to activate hydrification manually. The need to first use sakon's jutsu before being able to use any of the other sound 4. And the ability of an opponent to still be able to use jutsu during white rage all refute any claims that kabuto is remotely an OP character. For that matter, he has to get into SM for any of these abilities, and he can be long killed before that even happens.


COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY FALSE.
Madara Re-Summoned himself After ET was Cancelled. The only way hashi can truely break out of Oro's control is to get an outside source to undo ET.

thats worth the truth.