Poll: 3 kage(Tobirama, Hiruzen, Minato) vs 3 akatsuki(Obito, Kabuto, Itachi)

3 Edo Hokage vs 3 Akatsuki

  • Obito, Kabuto, Itachi

    Votes: 8 88.9%
  • Tobirama, Hiruzen, Minato

    Votes: 1 11.1%

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I was thinking recently what if instead of the edo hokage(with the exclusion of Hashirama), Obito, Kabuto, and Itachi joined forces against Madara.....would they be more efficient? I believe so

anyways

Tobirama, Hiruzen, Minato vs Obito(rinnegan/mokuton), Kabuto(sage), Itachi

who will win?

vote at the poll
 

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kabuto claps his hands and brings up an edo army. obito murderstomps hiruzen instantly with kamui. then he murderstomps tobirama. minato expends all his chakra trying to hurt kabuto and gedo mazo and edos
 

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When you think about it this match is pretty unbalanced.

You have featless Tobirama, Old Hiruzen who is far weaker than anyone on Team 2, and Minato.

On the other team you have SM Kabuto (Hax), Itachi, and Obito.

Team 2 wins this rather easily.
 

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I was thinking recently what if instead of the edo hokage(with the exclusion of Hashirama), Obito, Kabuto, and Itachi joined forces against Madara.....would they be more efficient? I believe so

anyways

Tobirama, Hiruzen, Minato vs Obito(rinnegan/mokuton), Kabuto(sage), Itachi

who will win?

vote at the poll
The hokages are better. 2 uchiha are useless against the most powerful uchiha. Even obito's rinnegan is useless as he's shown no where near the mastery as madara. As for kabuto... probably he can help the uchiha a bit but he isn't that much of a threat. Sage kabuto is alot weaker than sage hashi, and madara stood his ground against sage hashi.

OT: From what we've seen, obito can't hurt minato but minato can hurt him. Tobirama could potentially take out itachi since he was able to ake out another ms uchiha, though izuna could have argueably been weaker.kabuto probably beats hiruzen but then its a 2v1 and he'd lose.

Even if the matchups change and minato fights itachi, tobirama fights kabuto and hiruzen fights obito, it would now turn more into a stalemate with obito being the only one to definitively defeat his opponent. But, Tobirama and minato's S/t allow them to set up the matchups however they please.
 

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The hokages are better. 2 uchiha are useless against the most powerful uchiha. Even obito's rinnegan is useless as he's shown no where near the mastery as madara. As for kabuto... probably he can help the uchiha a bit but he isn't that much of a threat. Sage kabuto is alot weaker than sage hashi, and madara stood his ground against sage hashi.
Hashirama and Madara aren't here...

OT: From what we've seen, obito can't hurt minato but minato can hurt him.
That would be true if this was Obito from 16 years ago.

Tobirama could potentially take out itachi since he was able to ake out another ms uchiha
By this logic, does Tobirama potentially get raped by everybody that would rape Tsunade?
 

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The hokages are better. 2 uchiha are useless against the most powerful uchiha. Even obito's rinnegan is useless as he's shown no where near the mastery as madara. As for kabuto... probably he can help the uchiha a bit but he isn't that much of a threat. Sage kabuto is alot weaker than sage hashi, and madara stood his ground against sage hashi.

OT: From what we've seen, obito can't hurt minato but minato can hurt him. Tobirama could potentially take out itachi since he was able to ake out another ms uchiha, though izuna could have argueably been weaker.kabuto probably beats hiruzen but then its a 2v1 and he'd lose.

Even if the matchups change and minato fights itachi, tobirama fights kabuto and hiruzen fights obito, it would now turn more into a stalemate with obito being the only one to definitively defeat his opponent. But, Tobirama and minato's S/t allow them to set up the matchups however they please.
This is laughable. Tobirama has no place in a vs thread as he lacks feats. He isn't standing up against ANY of team 2.

Hokage are going to win despite none of them being able to hurt Kabuto let alone put him down? Yeah right.

Tobirama taking out Itachi just because he took out Izuna? Whose power is unknown? The speculation...

Hiruzen and Tobirama (Featless) beating SM Kabuto? Lay off the pot.

Don't even know why you mentioned Hashirama and Madara here...and its not like Obito needs Rinnegan techs to beat anyone in Team Kage.

Team 2 takes this easily.
 

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Hashirama and Madara aren't here...
I was refering to the part in the OP that said
I was thinking recently what if instead of the edo hokage(with the exclusion of Hashirama), Obito, Kabuto, and Itachi joined forces against Madara.....would they be more efficient? I believe so


That would be true if this was Obito from 16 years ago.
He uses his same basic strategy as before - Kamui. HE just added fire jutsu and warped kunai to it. He still can't get a hold to port him away.


By this logic, does Tobirama potentially get raped by everybody that would rape Tsunade?
Huh? I don't understand this? I'm just saying it's possible since he was able to defeat an MS user before. Then i further state izuna was probably weaker than itachi. Isn't it obvious i'm going on the fact that he has the experience of dealing with an MS user?

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This is laughable. Tobirama has no place in a vs thread as he lacks feats. He isn't standing up against ANY of team 2.

Hokage are going to win despite none of them being able to hurt Kabuto let alone put him down? Yeah right.

Tobirama taking out Itachi just because he took out Izuna? Whose power is unknown? The speculation...

Hiruzen and Tobirama (Featless) beating SM Kabuto? Lay off the pot.

Don't even know why you mentioned Hashirama and Madara here...and its not like Obito needs Rinnegan techs to beat anyone in Team Kage.

Team 2 takes this easily.
Because having a dead MS uchiha under his belt isn't something? Because you haven't seen his moves mean nothing. The fact is, he's killed an MS uchiha, the second strongest one in his time. IRonicially, both the uchihas in team 2 are MS uchiha.

You severely overrate kabuto. One of the hokage using RDS alone takes him out. For that matter, hiruzen uses a triple RDS, now what? It's been stated that only the caster can see the reaper until the victims soul is starting to be pulled so they'd have no idea they're about to be sealed. I don't even want to get into a kabuto arguement, he couldn't even lay a scratch on Sasuke. If he was so powerful, sasuke would at least have a cut cheek regardless of itachi camping immortality.

Funny how i only said it's possible and not definitive. How light assumptions are made into stone cold fact on this forum.

I don't remember saying this? Even the bold part said kabuto beat Hiruzen. You're just trying to fire off a retort now :| Even the part of tobirama I said it could possibly turn into a stalemate, you know, because of the whole Huge chakra pool, incredible strength, kenjutsu, water jutsu, s/t? But oh well, guess i stalemate means a definite loss now :|

refer to the top of my response to the other person.

Team 2 takes nothing easily. Even if they win it's not easy.
 

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Because having a dead MS uchiha under his belt isn't something? Because you haven't seen his moves mean nothing. The fact is, he's killed an MS uchiha, the second strongest one in his time. IRonicially, both the uchihas in team 2 are MS uchiha.
So, he killed an MS Uchiha so that lets us believe he can beat or do well against other MS Uchiha with COMPLETELY different abilities when he has no good feats whatsoever? Ok then.



You severely overrate kabuto. One of the hokage using RDS alone takes him out. For that matter, hiruzen uses a triple RDS, now what? It's been stated that only the caster can see the reaper until the victims soul is starting to be pulled so they'd have no idea they're about to be sealed. I don't even want to get into a kabuto arguement, he couldn't even lay a scratch on Sasuke. If he was so powerful, sasuke would at least have a cut cheek regardless of itachi camping immortality.
Hiruzen needs to grab Kabuto to use his RDS and as he has Sage Sensing, and can turn into water so that obviously isn't happening.

Minato's is long range but that means he dies too and leaving Obito and Itachi to fight Hiruzen and Featless Tobirama = A stomp in Team Akatsuki's favor.


I don't remember saying this? Even the bold part said kabuto beat Hiruzen. You're just trying to fire off a retort now :| Even the part of tobirama I said it could possibly turn into a stalemate, you know, because of the whole Huge chakra pool, incredible strength, kenjutsu, water jutsu, s/t? But oh well, guess i stalemate means a definite loss now :|
I misread the bold part.

Tobirama is not having a stalemate with any of these guys at this point, there is nothing you can find to even come to this conclusion.

Team 2 takes nothing easily. Even if they win it's not easy.
Old Hiruzen, Featless Tobirama and Minato aren't so much as causing these guys to break a sweat.
 

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So, he killed an MS Uchiha so that lets us believe he can beat or do well against other MS Uchiha with COMPLETELY different abilities when he has no good feats whatsoever? Ok then.
Dude what...? You're honestly saying, because his feats haven't even been shown yet, he can't even hold his own for a second against an ms user, even though he killed the 2nd strongest one...? MS Obito isn't on madara, itachi or sasuke's level for that matter. As an uchiha, he's frankly pitiful. It's only his kamui that causes massive problems, he doesn't have susano'o, amaterasu or tsukuyomi to worry about. The biggest drawback of his kamui is that he has to become tangible to hit, and minato has exploited that ability. But, even then minato would be fighting him... Itachi on the other hand, I said it's possible, stop trying to turn a guess into fact. How can i make a stern conclussion when there is so much left unanswered? You're literally just trying to start a fight. Did i even say who wins in my post? No. I said, based on the fact if tobirama can take out itachi, kabuto could potentially be stopped with a 2 v1 (tobirama and minato). Did i say team 1 wins? No? Exactly. Did i say team 2? No? Exactly.



Hiruzen needs to grab Kabuto to use his RDS and as he has Sage Sensing, and can turn into water so that obviously isn't happening.

Minato's is long range but that means he dies too and leaving Obito and Itachi to fight Hiruzen and Featless Tobirama = A stomp in Team Akatsuki's favor.
I give you that one as i have no way of refuting this one. Can't say minato pulls the triple kill because that hasn't been shown. Can't say hiruzen goes long ranged because i honestly doubt he can. touche



I misread the bold part.

Tobirama is not having a stalemate with any of these guys at this point, there is nothing you can find to even come to this conclusion.
It's another assumption based off the fact that he was the second strongest senju and we know how strong hashirama was. But, no i have no proof stating tobirama can pull off a stalemate since even i call him a featless fodder. But, considering he's supposed to be strong and he has shown nothing, I left it up as a possibility even though i never said he wins, hence why i said obito beating hiruzen is only definitive one. The others are pretty much guesses since we have so many blanks in feats.


ld Hiruzen, Featless Tobirama and Minato aren't so much as causing these guys to break a sweat.
I disagree tbh. I'm assuming it's the edo Hokage since that's what's listed in the poll and the OP isn't semi-retarded, i'd say an infinite stamina pool would cause them trouble.
Army of toads - Would give Kabuto and Manda 2(if he has it still) some trouble to keep at bay. With limitless stamina/chakra pool, minato can summon as many toads as he wants 1 after the other, turning this into a much harder fight.
Shadow clones - hiruzens shadow clones would cause anyone he's fighting some trouble. Why? Just look at naruto for example, and notice how effective shadow clones are in a fight. They can put pressure on the opponent. Itachi is the only person on team 2 with shadow clones but it's not stated he's an edo so he has to deal with his limited stamina.
Limitless spaming of earth/water/fire jutsu - Tobirama and hiruzen have these nature elements between them and can put pressure to nullify fires etc.

The point is, even if team 2 wins, it's not going to be easy because they're fighting edos. Minato alone would be a pain in the ass since he'd be an immortal rabbit hoping every which way.Team 2's best bet to make this quick is to summon edo army. Else, FTG would make it a pain to seal anyone on team 1 as minato can quickly spring them from danger and they can take life threatening hits and just regenerate. This, again, assumes it's the edo hokages as i'm lead to believe by the OP and poll. Living won't beat dead that easily.
 

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From what we've seen, obito can't hurt minato
so gedo mazo suddenly is non existent? not to mention obito can just you know, not go tangible or just izanagi the shit out of minato

Because having a dead MS uchiha under his belt isn't something?
izunas featless

The fact is, he's killed an MS uchiha, the second strongest one in his time.
izuna died because he bled out. therwees no proof tobirama did anything except finish off an already losing uchiha

You severely overrate kabuto. One of the hokage using RDS alone takes him out
killing the user and leaving tobirama alone against gedo mazo and edo jins

Tobirama could potentially take out itachi since he was able to ake out another ms uchiha, though izuna could have argueably been weaker
no certainly. izuna doesnt have amat or tsukiyomi or totsuka

I don't even want to get into a kabuto arguement, he couldn't even lay a scratch on Sasuke. If he was so powerful, sasuke would at least have a cut cheek regardless of itachi camping immortality
kabuto: but dont worry sasuke kun. i wont hurt you. you're my guinea pig

whole Huge chakra pool, incredible strength
neither of which tobirama has
 

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You're honestly saying, because his feats haven't even been shown yet, he can't even hold his own for a second against an ms user, even though he killed the 2nd strongest one...?
izuna is literally the weakest one.

MS Obito isn't on madara, itachi or sasuke's level for that matter. As an uchiha, he's frankly pitiful. It's only his kamui that causes massive problems
lol at what you just said "he sucks at ebing an uchiha but his uchiha powers are awesome"
 
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