[Discussion] Plotholes with HxH *gasp*

[Yubel]

So hear me out on this one. I was rewatching some HxH episodes when I reached the part where the Phantom Troupe were talking about their fortune written by Chrollo regarding losing half their limbs, anyone remember that part? Afterwards Hisoka gave his fortune to Pakunoda who showed it to everyone after changing it using Texture Surprise.

Plot Hole #1: It's obvious Hisoka used In to render his aura invisible after having used Texture Surprise. However, everyone in the Phantom Troupe know what Hisoka's ability is as they were discussing it when they were first introduced. Even if they don't know the full extent of Bungee Gum's abilities, we know atleast Machi(the pink-haired member) is aware of Texture Surprise. Even if we assume they didn't, the Phantom Troupe are professional killers and top tier Nen users. To not use Gyo in that situation is a plot hole considering they're not ones to trust each other. So Machi knew about Texture Surprise from the Heavens Arena arc but somehow it didn't even occur to her that he might be scheming something despite the long explanation he gave her about his abilities + seeing them in battle where she used Gyo to see through his In when no one else besides Wing did it. For Machi to not see through Hisoka or the Phantom Troupe member to see through the deception is a plot hole.

Plot Hole #2: Pakunoda has the ability to read minds, as soon as they became aware of Hisoka possibly having sold them out. She could've simply used her powers to scoop up his memory which would've given definite proof that he's lying about the whole thing. Once they know the truth they would've killed Hisoka then and there, for the Phantom Troupe to not question him further was plot hole all for the sake of the plot to keep Hisoka alive and let him fool the Phantom Troupe but he didn't outsmart them, Togashi decided to dumb them down to make Hisoka look good and save his ass.

So there you have it, if you've read this far congratulations. You now know that even a series like HxH has plot holes.

 

[Uzumaki Menma]

Good finds bro

 

[chopstickchakra]

Doesn't Palunoda have to touch you first and as unlikely as it is she never touched him i don't recall a panel showing her doing so. Also Didn't Hisoka say he only told them part of what his skills were.

 

[JStar King]

So hear me out on this one. I was rewatching some HxH episodes when I reached the part where the Phantom Troupe were talking about their fortune written by Chrollo regarding losing half their limbs, anyone remember that part? Afterwards Hisoka gave his fortune to Pakunoda who showed it to everyone after changing it using Texture Surprise.

Plot Hole #1: It's obvious Hisoka used In to render his aura invisible after having used Texture Surprise. However, everyone in the Phantom Troupe know what Hisoka's ability is as they were discussing it when they were first introduced. Even if they don't know the full extent of Bungee Gum's abilities, we know atleast Machi(the pink-haired member) is aware of Texture Surprise. Even if we assume they didn't, the Phantom Troupe are professional killers and top tier Nen users. To not use Gyo in that situation is a plot hole considering they're not ones to trust each other. So Machi knew about Texture Surprise from the Heavens Arena arc but somehow it didn't even occur to her that he might be scheming something despite the long explanation he gave her about his abilities + seeing them in battle where she used Gyo to see through his In when no one else besides Wing did it. For Machi to not see through Hisoka or the Phantom Troupe member to see through the deception is a plot hole.

Plot Hole #2: Pakunoda has the ability to read minds, as soon as they became aware of Hisoka possibly having sold them out. She could've simply used her powers to scoop up his memory which would've given definite proof that he's lying about the whole thing. Once they know the truth they would've killed Hisoka then and there, for the Phantom Troupe to not question him further was plot hole all for the sake of the plot to keep Hisoka alive and let him fool the Phantom Troupe but he didn't outsmart them, Togashi decided to dumb them down to make Hisoka look good and save his ass.

So there you have it, if you've read this far congratulations. You now know that even a series like HxH has plot holes.

Wow, I'm stunned.

 

[Yubel]

Doesn't Palunoda have to touch you first and as unlikely as it is she never touched him i don't recall a panel showing her doing so. Also Didn't Hisoka say he only told them part of what his skills were.

She never touched him but to never do it was the plot hole.

 

[Hexuze]

Wow, I'm stunned.

Why are you stunned? All series has it's flaws you know

OT: It's been a long time since I read/watched the Yorknew City arc so I can't say if you're right or wrong. From the looks of it, that sounds more of a inconsistency than a plot-hole, no?

 

[JStar King]

Why are you stunned? All series has it's flaws you know

OT: It's been a long time since I read/watched the Yorknew City arc so I can't say if you're right or wrong. From the looks of it, that sounds more of a inconsistency than a plot-hole, no?

I know, but wow. I never noticed it. I still love the series. I just wish Togashi would stop being lazy and finish it.

 

[Hexuze]

I know, but wow. I never noticed it. I still love the series. I just wish Togashi would stop being lazy and finish it.

Well it's not going to end anytime soon unless his health worsens and he's forced to give it a rushed ending.

 

[Yubel]

Why are you stunned? All series has it's flaws you know

OT: It's been a long time since I read/watched the Yorknew City arc so I can't say if you're right or wrong. From the looks of it, that sounds more of a inconsistency than a plot-hole, no?

To have everyone believe Hisoka based off a baseless assumption made by Chrollo is a plot hole, not an inconsistency. The reason being that they had Pakunoda there who could quite easily see through Hisoka's memories and make a better judgement based on that. Hisoka also managed to deceive Machi who due to earlier plot shouldn't have been deceived at all. Every member of the Phantom Troupe is smart and Machi is bright enough to deduce that he might be using Texture Surprise in that situation. My point is that there were two sure-fire ways of exposing him and the fact that Hisoka wasn't fooling Gon here but a group of professional killers. There is no way he should've gotten out of that, the phantom troupe are no amateurs.

 

[-Akuma-]

So hear me out on this one. I was rewatching some HxH episodes when I reached the part where the Phantom Troupe were talking about their fortune written by Chrollo regarding losing half their limbs, anyone remember that part? Afterwards Hisoka gave his fortune to Pakunoda who showed it to everyone after changing it using Texture Surprise.

Plot Hole #1: It's obvious Hisoka used In to render his aura invisible after having used Texture Surprise. However, everyone in the Phantom Troupe know what Hisoka's ability is as they were discussing it when they were first introduced. Even if they don't know the full extent of Bungee Gum's abilities, we know atleast Machi(the pink-haired member) is aware of Texture Surprise. Even if we assume they didn't, the Phantom Troupe are professional killers and top tier Nen users. To not use Gyo in that situation is a plot hole considering they're not ones to trust each other. So Machi knew about Texture Surprise from the Heavens Arena arc but somehow it didn't even occur to her that he might be scheming something despite the long explanation he gave her about his abilities + seeing them in battle where she used Gyo to see through his In when no one else besides Wing did it. For Machi to not see through Hisoka or the Phantom Troupe member to see through the deception is a plot hole.

Plot Hole #2: Pakunoda has the ability to read minds, as soon as they became aware of Hisoka possibly having sold them out. She could've simply used her powers to scoop up his memory which would've given definite proof that he's lying about the whole thing. Once they know the truth they would've killed Hisoka then and there, for the Phantom Troupe to not question him further was plot hole all for the sake of the plot to keep Hisoka alive and let him fool the Phantom Troupe but he didn't outsmart them, Togashi decided to dumb them down to make Hisoka look good and save his ass.

So there you have it, if you've read this far congratulations. You now know that even a series like HxH has plot holes.

Pretty sure Pakunoda has to touch the person to user her powers, so getting in Hisoka's mind wouldn't be easy. She can't just go touching Hisoka especially when Hisoka might know her ability, so that's not really a plot hole.

 

[Yubel]

Pretty sure Pakunoda has to touch the person to user her powers, so getting in Hisoka's mind wouldn't be easy. She can't just go touching Hisoka especially when Hisoka might know her ability, so that's not really a plot hole.

What difference does it make when he's under suspicion and the best method for knowing the truth is right there? He even mentioned he knew Pakunoda's ability yet it never occured to them that they could use that ability, if Hisoka had refused then that would've raised more suspicion. Pakunoda was the one who took his fortune and saw it so she could've done it, to not do it was a plot hole.

 

[-Akuma-]

What difference does it make when he's under suspicion and the best method for knowing the truth is right there? He even mentioned he knew Pakunoda's ability yet it never occured to them that they could use that ability, if Hisoka had refused then that would've raised more suspicion. Pakunoda was the one who took his fortune and saw it so she could've done it, to not do it was a plot hole.

You do realise the troupe were always suspicious, Hisoka wouldn't let her touch him and they couldn't really force him seeing how fighting between the troupe of forbidden. Everyone was already suspicious of Hisoka.

 

[Yubel]

You do realise the troupe were always suspicious, Hisoka wouldn't let her touch him and they couldn't really force him seeing how fighting between the troupe of forbidden. Everyone was already suspicious of Hisoka.

Since they were suspicious they would've done it since the majority would want to know the truth. Had Hisoka refused they could've done the coin flip but I doubt they would leave something like that to chance. The mere act of selling them out should be enough to kill him on the spot. My point is, why ask questions when you can already find out the answers with proof? Nobunaga was ready to kill Hisoka, clearly because while fighting amongst the Troupe is forbidden, killing a traitor isn't.

 

[Freecss]

Plot Hole #1: It's obvious Hisoka used In to render his aura invisible after having used Texture Surprise. However, everyone in the Phantom Troupe know what Hisoka's ability is as they were discussing it when they were first introduced. Even if they don't know the full extent of Bungee Gum's abilities, we know atleast Machi(the pink-haired member) is aware of Texture Surprise. Even if we assume they didn't, the Phantom Troupe are professional killers and top tier Nen users. To not use Gyo in that situation is a plot hole considering they're not ones to trust each other. So Machi knew about Texture Surprise from the Heavens Arena arc but somehow it didn't even occur to her that he might be scheming something despite the long explanation he gave her about his abilities + seeing them in battle where she used Gyo to see through his In when no one else besides Wing did it. For Machi to not see through Hisoka or the Phantom Troupe member to see through the deception is a plot hole.

First of all, it's not a plot hole. Second of all, no one knew of Hisoka's second ability except Machi. Even then, she didn't know he could utilize it to such a thing. They didn't think that Hisoka would so such a thing. They were in a crisis at that time.

Plot Hole #2: Pakunoda has the ability to read minds, as soon as they became aware of Hisoka possibly having sold them out. She could've simply used her powers to scoop up his memory which would've given definite proof that he's lying about the whole thing. Once they know the truth they would've killed Hisoka then and there, for the Phantom Troupe to not question him further was plot hole all for the sake of the plot to keep Hisoka alive and let him fool the Phantom Troupe but he didn't outsmart them, Togashi decided to dumb them down to make Hisoka look good and save his ass.

She was about to use it, but didn't risk it. Chrollo didn't order them to do it, and he himself took Hisoka's case up to him and asked him questions. This is not a plot hole, but more of a mistake on the troupe's part. Also Hisoka's pretty smart so I don't blame them.

 

[Yubel]

First of all, it's not a plot hole. Second of all, no one knew of Hisoka's second ability except Machi. Even then, she didn't know he could utilize it to such a thing. They didn't think that Hisoka would so such a thing. They were in a crisis at that time.

She was about to use it, but didn't risk it. Chrollo didn't order them to do it, and he himself took Hisoka's case up to him and asked him questions. This is not a plot hole, but more of a mistake on the troupe's part. Also Hisoka's pretty smart so I don't blame them.

Pakunoda was the one who asked to see his fortune in the first place, if she could do that she could suggest searching through his memory to find information about the chain user since they have met. Even if Machi didn't think to use Gyo, there is no reason to think the other members were unable to see through him considering he was under suspicion which naturally would make them more wary of him. To fool the Phantom Troupe like that was not a feat by Hisoka by a plot hole by Togashi that had no choice but to make the Phantom Troupe appear like amateurs so Hisoka could live. Also none of them were particularly concerned with dying so they didn't feel rushed in their judgement of Hisoka.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Pakunoda was the one who asked to see his fortune in the first place, if she could do that she could suggest searching through his memory to find information about the chain user since they have met. Even if Machi didn't think to use Gyo, there is no reason to think the other members were unable to see through him considering he was under suspicion which naturally would make them more wary of him. To fool the Phantom Troupe like that was not a feat by Hisoka by a plot hole by Togashi that had no choice but to make the Phantom Troupe appear like amateurs so Hisoka could live. Also none of them were particularly concerned with dying so they didn't feel rushed in their judgement of Hisoka.

The reason they didn't use Gyo is because it wasn't introduced as a concept to the reader at that point. Sure looking back at their level they all have it but we as readers weren't aware of it so it wouldn't pop up in the manga until the reader could know what they are seeing.

 

[System001]

As far as the Troupe knew Pakunoda reading his mind could have set off the Nen chain that was pointing at Hisoka's heart, Hisoka wouldn't want to risk that and as a result he would fight to prevent Pakunoda from touching him, for if she did he may die.

As for the whole Gyo thing, it was a tense situation and mistakes can happen.
Also, if Hisoka really wanted them to not notice would they really be able to see through it? Does using Gyo allow you to see through any kind of In, no matter how advanced or well laid?

 

[Freecss]

Pakunoda was the one who asked to see his fortune in the first place, if she could do that she could suggest searching through his memory to find information about the chain user since they have met. Even if Machi didn't think to use Gyo, there is no reason to think the other members were unable to see through him considering he was under suspicion which naturally would make them more wary of him. To fool the Phantom Troupe like that was not a feat by Hisoka by a plot hole by Togashi that had no choice but to make the Phantom Troupe appear like amateurs so Hisoka could live. Also none of them were particularly concerned with dying so they didn't feel rushed in their judgement of Hisoka.

But Chrollo didn't order her to use her powers. For all they could know, Hisoka might have had a chain in him that would kill him if they used Nen or tried to get information. They were cautiously trying to approach to something.

 

[-Akuma-]

Since they were suspicious they would've done it since the majority would want to know the truth. Had Hisoka refused they could've done the coin flip but I doubt they would leave something like that to chance. The mere act of selling them out should be enough to kill him on the spot. My point is, why ask questions when you can already find out the answers with proof? Nobunaga was ready to kill Hisoka, clearly because while fighting amongst the Troupe is forbidden, killing a traitor isn't.

They were always suspicious but they didn't care enough. I they didn't really think that they thought Hisoka qould sell them out, if it was really that serious they would of chased after Hisoka after he left the Troupe. Nobunaga as ready to fight Feitan and they stopped it because fighting amongst them is forbidden. Hisoka lying about this prediction doesn't really make him a traitor.

 

[Yubel]

The reason they didn't use Gyo is because it wasn't introduced as a concept to the reader at that point. Sure looking back at their level they all have it but we as readers weren't aware of it so it wouldn't pop up in the manga until the reader could know what they are seeing.

Gyo was introduced in the Heaven's Arena arc. Gon used it to see Hisoka's Bungee Gum in their fight while Machi and Wing did the same thing to see through Hisoka's In which was then taught to Gon, Killua and Zushi as they replayed the fight to learn to see through his In. So it was already a concept that existed before and during the Phantom Troupe arc and the Spidera are top tier Nen users, if Machi could use it. There is no reason to suspect the others couldn't do it either. Assuming they couldn't, Machi should've been enough. To see through his tricks at one point but at another time forgetting to use it is an amateur mistake. One that Bisky made sure to correct about Gon and Killua by making them use Gyo everytime she pointed her finger. The Phantom Troupe aren't amateurs, they're professionals.